I didn't. And from what they tell me, that knowledge is now IN my brain, and I cannot get those neurons back. -Dave Any other wacky ideas? The Hercules with VM + Debian + z/OS is obviously a must. This box's mission is to run the bridge and GORVAX, so there'll be plenty of room for other fun stuff. I am also putting a copy of the bridge and a minimal VMS + MULTINET config on a Raspberry Pi that I'm sticking in the rack, to be booted up if the big server goes down. Sampsa