On 05/24/2013 07:00 PM, Peter Lothberg wrote: Funny you should mention the keyword NuBus in your presentation. Yes the Apple Mac II machines used it. They licensed it from TI, who developed it while exploring the wonders of Lisp. Anyone here remember the Lisp Machines that were extremely popular once? Oh yes, I have several of them here, all Symbolics. A 3640, 3645, and an XL1201. One was made by TI. And it used that expansion bus. Yes, the TI Explorer. I hadn't remembered that that was where NuBus came from. Neat. Then it's less of a happenstance thing that Cisco used it, given their Lisp connections back then. ??? There is no NuBus in cisco land... There is PCI (VIP/7200 port adapters) I believe it was you yourself who introduced me to Cbus and explained that it was a NuBus implementation, at Digex in '93, I think when you brought us that IGS with some pre-release code on it to do our first real BGP peering. I would be happy to stand corrected, however. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA