The background for my remark: there used to be a tru64 hobbyist program. Not free, $200 IIRC. It no longer exists. The same may happen to VMS. I still use VMS in a productive way, e.g. checking C programs that run on other platforms. I just don't trust HP, is all. Hans The definition of a pessimist: a realist.... Van: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- Verzonden: zondag 19 mei 2013 23:41 PM Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Need VMS VAX ISO Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes: Like I just said, the negativity in this space never ceases to amaze me. You don't even need that. The LMF is surprisingly simple to circumvent. I was able to disable it within about 5 mins. of first booting VMS V5.0 here. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.