Can you please copy me on the source files? For some reason I never got this e-mail nor the attachments. When you do, I'll see if I have any time this week to adapt the relevant bits into the pdp11 source (unless someone gets to it first). Thanks, Mark On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Kevin Reynolds <tpresence at hotmail.com> wrote: Works even better. I will let you know if I get it compiled. Thanks Rob! ________________________________ From: robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com To: tpresence at hotmail.com; phiber at phiber.com; blairrya at cse.msu.edu CC: vaxorcist at googlemail.com Subject: RE: [HECnet] Hecnet and DDCMP Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:24:16 +0000 No I have not done that. I can send you the sources though, so I have attached them. The main files are vax_dmc.h and vax_dmc.c, but they need to be linked into the main emulator. I don t have time to go looking right now so I am sending you the whole source. Regards Rob From: Kevin Reynolds [mailto:tpresence at hotmail.com] Sent: 08 January 2012 18:24 To: r.jarratt at computer.org; phiber at phiber.com; blairrya at cse.msu.edu Cc: vaxorcist at googlemail.com Subject: RE: [HECnet] Hecnet and DDCMP Rob, Do you have a diff or patch file for the changes you made in the code? I use linux and macosx for my simh hosts, and want to fold it in (if its possible). Reading the docs, it looks like it should be good, as long as there aren't missing headers/structures. Kevin ________________________________ From: robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com To: phiber at phiber.com; tpresence at hotmail.com; blairrya at cse.msu.edu CC: vaxorcist at googlemail.com Subject: RE: [HECnet] Hecnet and DDCMP Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:18:13 +0000 I am happy to share the code with those who expressed an interest in it, it is still not perfect so we don t want to share it too widely yet, but clearly I am interested in any feedback you may have. Note that, as I said before, it has only been tested with VMS 5.4 and 4.6 on the VAX 780 emulation. I have never tried it with the PDP11 emulation. Also, the code has only been tested extensively on Windows, it has been compiled on Linux but only received very light testing. I only have a recent Windows build which I have attached along with a document explaining how to use it. Please note that work commitments mean that I will have limited time to support you over the next month, but I will try my best if you run into problems. Regards Rob From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Kevin Reynolds Sent: 06 January 2012 04:16 To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: RE: [HECnet] Hecnet and DDCMP I have RSTS/E but its v7. Kevin Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 22:29:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [HECnet] Hecnet and DDCMP From: phiber at phiber.com To: hecnet at update.uu.se Assuming Rob makes his patch to SIMH available, is there anyone on HECnet willing to test peering with my RSTS/E setup? On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote: Yes, you are right, I do add a 2-byte length to the start of each buffer that I send so that the other end can reassemble the buffer. Sorry, I did say this in an earlier draft of the email, but decided to leave it out to emphasise the simplicity of the implementation. Regards Rob -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Paul_Koning at Dell.com Sent: 04 January 2012 22:15 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: RE: [HECnet] Hecnet and DDCMP I assume there has to be a bit more to it, because DDCMP is a packet based protocol (not a stream protocol as TCP is) and the higher layers rely on that. So there presumably is some form of framing in the emulated data stream to indicate where the packet boundaries are. paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Rob Jarratt Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 5:11 PM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: RE: [HECnet] Hecnet and DDCMP All I do in SIMH is to take the data bytes each end wants to send to the other end and send them over a socket, so I don't get involved with DDCMP itself. Both ends have to be SIMH for this to work. I don't do anything at the actual hardware level, although that would be nice. I think you can get synchronous serial cards for the PC but they are quite expensive. Regards Rob -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Paul_Koning at Dell.com Sent: 03 January 2012 21:18 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: RE: [HECnet] Hecnet and DDCMP DMC-11 speaks DDCMP V3.1 (give or take some bugs in the "high speed" version). But that's sync only. Depending on what you want to talk to, a DMC (or its relatives DMR-11, DMP-11, or DMV-11) may not help; if the other end speaks DDCMP over an async link (UART) then it won't work because the character framing doesn't match. That said, I wonder what it means to emulate a DMC-11. You could have it speak DDCMP over a UART, or something else entirely. If the former it would talk to another DDCMP node; if the latter it would not but it would still work for tying one emulated DMC-11 to another. If you want DDCMP, one approach is to get a copy of the spec, and implement what it says. That works; it is how I implemented DDCMP support for RSTS V10 (based on an earlier version based on V9.6). The protocol is quite simple and the spec is well enough written that, if you do what it says, the result WILL interoperate with hardware such as the DMR-11. The only tricky one is the DMC-11 because it has some undocumented bugs; the main one I remember is that the high speed version can't handle back to back packets. I wish I could contribute the code I wrote but I can't, for various reasons one of them is that it's a RSTS device driver and written in 100% assembly language. It would not be hard to do a version for other platforms; I once looked at a Linux terminal protocol handler (forgot what that is called) that could hook into DECnet/Linux. Didn't get far enough on that, though. paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Abene Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 6:06 PM To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: Re: [HECnet] Hecnet and DDCMP Jarratt, did you make this publicly available on the SIMH list? It would be great to have a DMC11 device emulated, since I insist on running RSTS/E v8 (for historical reasons... it was the last real RSTS before "the pollution"). RSTS/E v8 doesn't have ethernet support, so the only way I could have DECnet is via a (previously unemulated) DMC11 interface. Does yours work well? -Mark On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Jarratt RMA <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote: Working with a friend, I have written a SIMH emulation of the DMC11 device, so you can do this with SIMH. It tunnels the bytes sent to/from the device over a socket. We have used the SIMH emulation to connect my friend to HECnet over a (simulated) DMC11. The bit I am not entirely sure about is to what extent this is using DDCMP as I don't have a full understanding of DDCMP. Regards Rob On 31 December 2011 18:46, The Presence <tpresence at hotmail.com> wrote: Hey guys, Has anyone worked out a mechanism to connect a node to hecnet using DDCMP? Perhaps some tunneling technology over IP, or virtualized serial? Kevin