On Sep 27, 2013, at 9:31 PM, Lee Gleason <lee.gleason at comcast.net> wrote: Back in the day, in a galaxy far far away, I was system manager of a site that used TMS-11, a DEC product for newspaper/graphics arts production. Among a lot of other DEC gear most people have never heard of, we used VT/61 and VT/62 terminals. Not quite. TMS-11 used VT61/t and VT71 terminals. The VT61/t is a specialized block editing terminal in a VT52 enclosure, but with a whole pile of circuit boards full of stuff. (All single sided boards, and about 1000 jumpers to make up for that silliness.) A VT71 is an LSI-11 based local editing terminal -- the host would send the entire document to it, you'd edit it locally (very nice fast response editor) and send back the result. TMS-11 never used a VT62. They were built for TRAX, the most spectacular failure in DEC's history. (From release to retirement was a week or two.) TMS-11 was the first DEC group I worked for -- travelling fixer for that team. Very neat job for a guy just out of college. I wonder if I met you, Lee. I worked in that job from 1978 to 1980. If you had any on-site software repair done, that would have been me. paul