Hi Kari, a long time ago (summer of '79) I participated on a student exchange program set up between the technical universities of Poznan (PL) and Eindhoven (NL). I was the chemist in the dutch team of 4 and did some work on a fertilizer factory north of Poznan. We lived in a student dormitory and met people from all over Europe, including a sizeable group of Finnish students. They introduced us to the sauna, and since warm water had been turned of (it was summer) that was marvelous news to us. They also came up with more interesting concepts, like drinking wodka and trying to learn Polish. I remember mentioning that 7 cases was rather difficult and (obviously) the Fins dropped off their chairs laughing (that's where ROTFL comes from). They tried to explain Finnish grammar and I am sure that gave me the headache, not the wodka :-) -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Kari Uusim ki Verzonden: maandag, juli 2010 21:00 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 - update Hans, Interesting that you find Finnish beautiful. I've heard that before, but about song lyrics. Finnish grammar is widely considered complex. I think that is due to the fact that its structure differs considerably from most other languages. One main difference is that pre- or postpositions aren't used at all but word endings instead. E.g. house = talo; in(side) the house = talossa ; into the house = taloon ; out of the house = talosta ; at the house = talolla ; without a house = talotta ; his house = talonsa. Btw. Finnish has 14 casi. :) The newest elements are syntethic an instable in normal conditions (NTP) AFAIK. Kari On 12.7.2010 20:54, H Vlems wrote: Ummm, Kari let me start with the statement that Finnish is a beautiful language, quite often spoken by equally beautiful women. But it didn't strike me as a simple language ;-) rather full of words with many syllables! In terms of chemical elements though, Finnish tends to drop the 'h' (e.g. Tulium instead of Thulium) which brings a few elements within reach. And Unbium was new to me as well (I'm a chemist but when I was at school the periodic table ended at 104, Rf! Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Kari Uusim ki Verzonden: zondag, juli 2010 23:01 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 - update There are the Finnish names for the elemants: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luettelo_alkuaineista Some are short but most are too long. On 11.7.2010 1:15, H Vlems wrote: G ran, that is an interisting list because it offers new possibilities. The noble gasses work well in dutch, just like the halogens. Group 6 is interesting. I use OXYGEN and Seleen. But obviously Tellur is ok too (is Tellurium in dutch). Bi is Bismuth in dutch. Vismut works for DECnet. Current nodes have names and these remain the same even when the area changes. See my website for a list of names: home.zonnet.nl/hvlems The collection is ever expanding so I'm always in need of new nodenames. Thanks for the suggestions, hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens G ran hling Verzonden: zaterdag, juli 2010 21:23 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 - update Swedish is also a language, not to distant from the Dutch... (though the 3 letters not beeing US-ASCII - takes some words out of the possible list of DECnet node names) He Helium Ne Neon Ar Argon Kr Krypton Xe Xenon Rn Radon F Flour Cl Klor Br Brom I Jod At Astat O Syre S Svavel Se Selen Te Tellur Po Polonium N Kv ve P Fosfor As Arsenik Sb Antimon Bi Vismut C Kol Si Kisel Ge Germanium Sn Tenn Pb Bly B Bor Al Aluminium Ga Gallium In Indium Tl Tallium For those mentioned in Russinan, to compare: B Bor N Kv ve Ne Neon S Svavel Cr Krom Br Brom Xe Xenon U Uran Have a "happy naming cermony", whatever names are chosen ;-) /G ran On 2010-07-10 18:39, H Vlems wrote: It is too much of an effort to publish all the names of the elements in dutch and compare them to their russian equivalents. I can augment your list though: 6OP (B) boor (borium, easily confused with Bohrium) A3OT (N) stikstof, or azote in french HEOH (Ne) neon CEPA (S) zwavel (in polish is this sarkow [after kwas sarkowy, sulphuric acid?]) XPOM (Cr) chroom 6POM (Br) broom KCEHOH (Xe) xenon YPAH (U) uranium, which gets abbreviated to uraan I used that trick with Se and As ; selenium and arsenicum are abbreviated to seleen and arseen. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Oleg Safiullin Verzonden: zaterdag, juli 2010 16:13 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 - update On 10.07.2010 16:39, H Vlems wrote: Area 44 will be extended today with the following 6 nodes: FLUOR 44.29 Alpha Server 1000A 5/333 VMS 7.3-2 BROOM 44.14 Alpha Server 1200 VMS 7.3-2 IJZER 44.19 Compaq Prof. Workstation VMS 8.3 TIN 44.28 Alpha Server 1200 VMS 8.3 CARBON 44.33 DEC AXP 3000 MODEL 300x VMS 1.5-1H1 OXYGEN 44.34 DEC AXP 3000 MODEL 300x VMS 6.1 done. Any suggestions for names of elements that are 6 characters or less, in other languages? Some of russian names :) 6OP (B) A3OT (N) HEOH (Ne) CEPA (S) XPOM (Cr) 6POM (Br) KCEHOH (Xe) YPAH (U) Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2992 - datum van uitgifte: 07/09/10 20:36:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2992 - datum van uitgifte: 07/09/10 20:36:00 . Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2998 - datum van uitgifte: 07/12/10 08:36:00 . Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2998 - datum van uitgifte: 07/12/10 08:36:00