Oops. Google groups. I don't trust 'em to not advertise with my data. Same damn thing. Different suits. Precisely. Same crappy UIs, too. ;) Yes. It blows dog. And you know what happens when something blows dog: The only one who's happy about it is the dog. LOL. Ok, if an alternative group for social chat comes up (DECTek, 'rebranding' this group and adding hecnet.serious or something), I'll kill the Google Group. Thing is that those take like 3 minutes to set up, so I figured why not.