I cant say I'm exactly shocked. HP are 8n serious trouble and are shedding stuff to try and stop sinking. I wonder when Hobbyist licenses will cease issuing... "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes: This just came in from a friend of mine: "Ric Lewis at HP sent out a letter basically saying VMS is dead. Support up through 2020, but 2016 is the last sale of VMS- supported hardware." Now, of course, "will only be sold for 2.5 more years and will only be supported for 6.5" doesn't exactly say "dead" to me; it says "WILL EVENTUALLY BE dead", but still, this does kinda suck. But it's awesome that it lasted this long. From 1978 until 2020 is a great run in this industry. And I'll be running it, God willing, well after that. (if I'm still breathing!) I do hope those who have sources (or at least, source listings) will be able to preserve them. (hint hint) Nudge nudge. Wink wink. Say no more. HP: Hopelessly Pathetic. -- Mark Benson