On 01/17/2013 05:01 PM, Mark Benson wrote: I'd agree with OS X being unusable now. I spend a lot of time tweaking it and making it bend over backwards to do what I want. Often involving using Terminal.app exclusively with a bunch of X apps. ;) That's how I've always used graphical workstations...as a way to get a buttload of terminal windows. (that's what they were pretty much FOR in earlier times!) I know it's probably of little consequence, but I use an app called iTerm2 in OS X for terminals. It does a good deal better job of handling multiple terminals, reusable bookmarks etc. than Apple's POS Terminal.app ever did. Yes, it's very good. I used it a lot of the time. OS X does what I need it to (mostly desktopy Internety stuff) so I keep it. I used to double it up as a UNIX platform for compiling and running OSS stuff too but I dropped it and used Debian and derivatives on other x86 hardware instead - it just does more with less for less. That's why I moved. The desktoppy stuff works very well in the Linux world now as well. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA