27 Aug
2020
27 Aug
'20
12:16 a.m.
Hi Thomas,
How are your patches related to the Panda distribution?
Based upon as a reference or unrelated?
There are a lot of cross platform problems within fal for instance like in Tops10,
Best regards,
Reindert
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of
Thomas DeBellis
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2020 22:44
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Configuring py-decnet.
You and me both!
I have over a 130 documented fixes and enhancements to Tops-20, some of them massive.
This does not include what I've completely rewritten from scratch. Several items are
in active development.
Yet I have no idea who I'd give them to. A few might interest XKL, perhaps. I guess
I'll do something Github, one of these days.
I wore out all my vulgar language when Jupiter was cancelled. Seems like it's all
'Darn it', 'Golly' and 'Gee whiz' these days.
_____
On 8/26/20 4:02 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Aw, shit! (Excuse my language.)
I had more or less forgotten. Yes, as distributed, it has a bug. I have fixed it, but of
course, noone else have that.
For now, the simple solution, pick MIM::DU:[5,54]RRS.TSK, and you'll be good.
Sigh! I really hope the whole DEC/Mentec/HP ownership mess can be sorted one day. I have
about 100 fixes or improvements to RSX sitting...
Johnny
_____
On 2020-08-26 21:57, R. Voorhorst wrote:
L.S.
Is there something different with patch levels or otherwise?
After successful login on Rsts 10.1:
$ logout
SAVED ALL DISK FILES ON SY: 6784 BLOCKS IN USE
JOB 7 USER 1,2 LOGGED OFF KB24: AT 26-AUG-20 21:53
6 OTHER USERS STILL LOGGED IN UNDER THIS ACCOUNT
SYSTEM RSTS V10.1-L RSTS/E V10.1
RUN TIME WAS .2 SECONDS
ELAPSED TIME WAS 1 MINUTE
GOOD EVENING
SWBU01::RRS -- Remote disconnect
SWBU01::RRS -- Control returned to node SWBU01::
MOV #20,R0
EM:065126
XDT>
Best regards,
Reindert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2020 15:09
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Cc: Thord Nilson <mailto:thordn at gmail.com> <thordn at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Configuring py-decnet.
And to complement the picture a little more. On RSX, you need a program called RRS, which
is provided among the "unsupported utilities" in the DECnet distribution.
.rrs elvira
MIM::RRS -- Connection established to node ELVIRA::
RSTS V10.1-L 26-Aug-20 14:41
User: 99,99
PASSWORD:
LAST INTERACTIVE LOGIN ON 26-AUG-20, 02:36 AT KB21:
$
Johnny
On 2020-08-26 02:19, Thomas DeBellis wrote:
Yeah, that's what I found out, too.
On Tops-20, the CTERM client is called CTERM-SERVER (don't ask)
whereas the NRT client is called SETHOST. SETHOST is /quite/ old and
I had been hacking it for efficiency and fixing a few bugs.
It now has an alternate debugging entry to try to force Tops-20 NRT
(which will also work on Tops-10) and ignore the remote node type
until it can't proceed any further. Here are the results from my own
tests; they indicate that a CTERM (server) object does not exist on ELVIRA.
I'm not sure, but I had thought that CTERM had not been done on RSTS/E.
!cterm-sERVER.EXE.2 elvira
[Attempting a connection,
_CTERM Connect failed - Destination process does not exist_ !g
ds:sethost !ree Escape character(^Y):
Host name: ELVIRA::
[Connecting to remote host: ELVIRA]
_?RSTS/E type systems do not support Tops-20 NRT communications._
On 8/25/20 8:09 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
John,
Some systems, like VMS, will use CTERM by default, and there isn't a CTERM listener on
RSTS. So you have to tell it to use the "old protocol", whatever that involves
on your OS.
paul
On Aug 25, 2020, at 7:24 PM,jy at xtra.co.nz <mailto:jy at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
Hi Thord,
Congratulations, I can see you're up at:
http://akdesign.dyndns.org:8080/map/data
I just tried a set host elvira and set hsot 59.53 but I'm getting "network object
unknown at remote node".
Cheers, John
On 26 August 2020 at 11:14 Thord Nilson <mailto:thordn at gmail.com> <thordn at
gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all!
Update!
Basic connections are now working, so for a limited time you can:
set host elvira::
login as 99,99 psw: testing
Nothing much to see though.
Thanks to all for your help!
/Thord.
28 Aug
28 Aug
1:32 a.m.
Yes and No.
MRC and I go way back and some of my patches are in fact already adopted
in the current PANDA distribution.
Unfortunately, he's passed, so now I have nobody to give them to.? The
list of changes are in the attached file, which regretably doesn't
always name the subsystem being updated.? I was the Galaxy guru back in
the day, so the first thing I did was put in those changes that I had
(tediously) SPR'ed in the '80' s which never made it in.? MRC took all
of those.? I took up maintenance of FTP and put in passive mode (which
it had lacked) and changed it to be somewhat more tolerant of some of
more truely brain damaged FTP servers out there.? MRC took all of these.
The Tops-20 FTP client was in far better shape than the FTP server,
which was some early BBN code that used the JCN interface (think
sockets) and not the JFN interface.? I kept slogging away at it until I
realized that it was a lost cause and rewrote it from scratch in
Extended Mode.? That new server has a %1,500 speed improvement and can
be configured to lie that it is a Unix host for brain damaged graphical
clients and Emacs Tramp.? Yep, it will parse ls switches which are
documented in NO STANDARD WHATSOEVER...
I was nearly done with it and was just putting the finishing touches on
it when MRC passed.? I had done regression tests with dozens of FTP
clients and just had a buffering issue to work out when receiving paged
file types.
Anyhow, don't let the arcane style put you off, some of these are major
fixed.
I've got some major enhancements to the mail system to finish off.? Fun
things like implementing the Unix nice command in the EXEC (puts you in
the dregs queue)
I'm at about the same degree of annoyance with SETNODE, SETHOST and
something else (I forget).
FAL is an interesting thing to bring up; my local DECnet area (2.) has a
Tops-10 system and I had been looking at both Galaxy and the FAL
subsystem.? Tops-10 GLXLIB appears to have split from Tops-20 and I
found a few things I liked, so I lifted them.
Tops-10 FAL is more closely integrated to Galaxy and I like some of the
functionality that this can provide.
The Tops-20 FAL is a completely different animal which is multi-forking
(that was initially a source of much bugs).? DAP is also substandard,
having no RENAME function and some bugs (which Johnny kindly worked with
me on).
Getting FAL truly right in Tops-20 will require a monitor modification,
but I've gone on too long...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 8/26/20 6:16 PM, R. Voorhorst wrote:
Hi Thomas,
How are your patches related to the Panda distribution?
Based upon as a reference or unrelated?
There are a lot of cross platform problems within fal for instance
like in Tops10,
Best regards,
Reindert
*From:*owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
*On Behalf Of *Thomas DeBellis
*Sent:* Wednesday, 26 August, 2020 22:44
*To:* hecnet at Update.UU.SE
*Subject:* Re: [HECnet] Configuring py-decnet.
You and me both!
I have over a 130 documented fixes and enhancements to Tops-20, some
of them massive.? This does not include what I've completely rewritten
from scratch.? Several items are in active development.
Yet I have no idea who I'd give them to.? A few might interest XKL,
perhaps.? I guess I'll do something Github, one of these days.
I wore out all my vulgar language when Jupiter was cancelled.? Seems
like it's all 'Darn it', 'Golly' and 'Gee whiz' these days.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 8/26/20 4:02 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Aw, shit! (Excuse my language.)
I had more or less forgotten. Yes, as distributed, it has a bug. I
have fixed it, but of course, noone else have that.
For now, the simple solution, pick MIM::DU:[5,54]RRS.TSK, and
you'll be good.
Sigh! I really hope the whole DEC/Mentec/HP ownership mess can be
sorted one day. I have about 100 fixes or improvements to RSX
sitting...
? Johnny
------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 2020-08-26 21:57, R. Voorhorst wrote:
L.S.
Is there something different with patch levels or otherwise?
After successful login on Rsts 10.1:
$ logout
SAVED ALL DISK FILES ON SY: 6784 BLOCKS IN USE
JOB 7 USER 1,2 LOGGED OFF KB24: AT 26-AUG-20 21:53
6 OTHER USERS STILL LOGGED IN UNDER THIS ACCOUNT
SYSTEM RSTS V10.1-L RSTS/E V10.1
RUN TIME WAS .2 SECONDS
ELAPSED TIME WAS 1 MINUTE
GOOD EVENING
SWBU01::RRS -- Remote disconnect
SWBU01::RRS -- Control returned to node SWBU01::
???????? MOV???? #20,R0
EM:065126
XDT>
Best regards,
Reindert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
<mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2020 15:09
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Cc: Thord Nilson <thordn at gmail.com> <mailto:thordn at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Configuring py-decnet.
And to complement the picture a little more. On RSX, you need
a program called RRS, which is provided among the "unsupported
utilities" in the DECnet distribution.
.rrs elvira
MIM::RRS -- Connection established to node ELVIRA::
RSTS V10.1-L 26-Aug-20 14:41
User: 99,99
PASSWORD:
LAST INTERACTIVE LOGIN ON 26-AUG-20, 02:36??? AT KB21:
$
??? Johnny
On 2020-08-26 02:19, Thomas DeBellis wrote:
Yeah, that's what I found out, too.
On Tops-20, the CTERM client is called CTERM-SERVER (don't
ask)
whereas the NRT client is called SETHOST.? SETHOST is
/quite/ old and
I had been hacking it for efficiency and fixing a few bugs.
It now has an alternate debugging entry to try to force
Tops-20 NRT
(which will also work on Tops-10) and ignore the remote
node type
until it can't proceed any further.? Here are the results
from my own
tests; they indicate that a CTERM (server) object does not
exist on ELVIRA.
I'm not sure, but I had thought that CTERM had not been
done on RSTS/E.
!cterm-sERVER.EXE.2 elvira
[Attempting a connection,
_CTERM Connect failed - Destination process does not
exist_ !g
ds:sethost !ree Escape character(^Y):
Host name: ELVIRA::
[Connecting to remote host: ELVIRA]
_?RSTS/E type systems do not support Tops-20 NRT
communications._
On 8/25/20 8:09 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
John,
Some systems, like VMS, will use CTERM by default, and
there isn't a CTERM listener on RSTS.? So you have to
tell it to use the "old protocol", whatever that
involves on your OS.
????paul
On Aug 25, 2020, at 7:24 PM,jy at xtra.co.nz
<mailto:jy at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
Hi Thord,
Congratulations, I can see you're up at:
http://akdesign.dyndns.org:8080/map/data
I just tried a set host elvira and set hsot 59.53
but I'm getting "network object unknown at remote
node".
Cheers, John
On 26 August 2020 at 11:14 Thord
Nilson<thordn at gmail.com>
<mailto:thordn at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all!
Update!
Basic connections are now working,? so for a
limited time you can:
set host elvira::
login as 99,99 psw: testing
Nothing much to see though.
Thanks to all for your help!
/Thord.
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