On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: 8192. Looks like SET FILE/ATTRIB=LRL:8192 EWS012.A allowed BACKUP/LIST EWS012.A/SAVE to succeed. VMS DUMP the first block. You should see the BACKUP command in the ASCII translation. If there's a /BLOCK listed, use that value; otherwise, there are defaults as you have discovered. Didn't even need to DUMP it. VMSINSTAL didn't complain. Don't feel bad, I've been dealing with this for 20 years when trying to get VMS crash dump files from customers sent to me in tact via the internet. ;) I'm impressed I figured out that LRL was the value I wanted. ;) Luck. ;) Yup. ;) Next battle: anything graphical logs this: %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 10-JUN-2014 19:25:19.33 %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on MOIRA Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on MOIRA, system id: 9217 Auditable event: Detached process login failure Event time: 10-JUN-2014 19:25:19.32 PID: 20200149 Process name: _WSA3: Username: SYSTEM Process owner: [SYSTEM] Image name: MOIRA$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]LOGINOUT.EXE Status: %DECW-F-NOMSG, Message number 02DB8204 Which makes no sense. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects