But HECnet as a whole is not connected to this segment... I thought the majority of it was... There are a few people, like me, who are using Multinet but only a few cases. I thought pretty much everything was bridged. [FWIW, Multinet tunnels a point-to-point DECnet link, essentially like a DDCMP link, over UDP. For that you really need to have a router at either end to pass traffic for other machines on either LAN.] Bob Johnny, If you can make a DECnet router, (l3...) or make the Internet look like point-to-point (ddcmp) links, it would work 'better'. As sending all areas as 'rip vectors' every second is not'usefull'. And I'm offline, as I only speak Multinet and Decnet in GRE... (and takes for endpoints?) -P