So my take on this is that I'm better off spending 20 USD on a Mac USB full keyboard than 400+ on an LK-style one? :) sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 17 Sep 2013, at 18:00, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote: Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes: If you're looking for the alternate keypad between the QWERTY and the numberic (arrows, [HELP], [Do], etc.) then, you'll want the LK-style=20= keyboard. If you use Linux on your x86 box -- and you should ;) -- a few Xmodmap entries and or Xresources entries will give you pretty much full use of the LK-sytle keyboard. On the Mac, it's been quite a while since I've plugged an LK-style keyboard into one -- I recall that it worked pretty much out-of-the-box. I think Terminal.app lets me remap arbitrary key-presses to any escape = sequence I want, I assume I could use this to enable the Do/arrow keys = etc? Yes and it's unix down below, so you can use Xmodmap and Xresources too. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.