Bob Armstrong skrev: Wouldn't it be best to have someone geographically closer for reasons of latency? I don't think it really matters much anymore and besides, it's not as if HECnet is a high bandwidth application :-) It matters a little, but it's not critical. I'll be using Johnny's tunnel program. Then I think you're going to have to connect to his server, regardless of geography. No, it works fine with any number of "chained" bridges. But I haven't implemented STP, so no loops, please. :-) open ports on the LAN, something I can't easily do. AFAIK, you'll have to open ports in either case. Multinet uses UDP port 700; I don't know about Johnny's program. You'll have to open a port, yes. For the bridge program, it's selectable which port. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol