Just looking at the NSP protocol and doing some packet capture I am wondering if I can get away with a really basic subset of NSP, just enough to implement just enough of NICE. It may not work in all circumstances though. I will have a think, it might be my next project in this area. Regards Rob -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Rob Jarratt Sent: 26 December 2012 09:31 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Cc: sampsa at mac.com Subject: RE: [HECnet] HECnet mapping project Actually it looks like I would need to implement various other layers before I could even start on NICE, that might be a bit too much. SNMP might be an option in that case. I don't know much about the details of SNMP, I can look it up of course but I guess there would need to be a format for the routing and end node data, if I can match what CISCO produces then that would make it easier, anyone have any info on this? Regards Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rob Jarratt [mailto:robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com] Sent: 26 December 2012 09:10 To: 'hecnet at Update.UU.SE' Cc: 'sampsa at mac.com' Subject: RE: [HECnet] HECnet mapping project -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 26 December 2012 01:24 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Cc: sampsa at mac.com Subject: Re: [HECnet] HECnet mapping project On 2012-12-26 02:13, sampsa at mac.com wrote: On 26 Dec 2012, at 03:00, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: Yuck. Seriously, if you depend on manual information, it's going to be broken sooner or later. I'm not at all clear what the problem is, though. I can, from MIM, tell which areas are online. And for each area, you can check which nodes are online in that area. After that, it just becomes a question of figuring out how the bits are connected. The problem is the CISCO gear doesnt talk NCP, so we can't do stuff like SHOW KNOW CIRC (to get routers to walk) or SHOW ADJ NODES (to get end nodes). If the CISCO guys want on the map, it'll have to be manual for now.... You'll have the same problem with Rob's DECnet router... And possibly other equipment, or nodes that don't want to talk NICE. I have just downloaded the spec and will think about how easy it would be to add this to the router, not that anyone other than me uses it :-( Johnny