LAN costs are 4 by default (for VMS nodes anyway). Maybe on VMS, but check MIM - the UNA-0 cost is 3, not 4. I've seen both values used; I think the default must vary depending on the system or OS version. Bob Topsxx default NCP>sh cir ni-0-0 char NCP> 17:19:20 NCP Request # 52; Show Circuit Characteristics Completed Circuit = NI-0-0 Service = Enabled Cost = 1 Maximum Routers = 16 Router Priority = 10 Hello Timer = 15 Type = Ethernet Adjacent Node = 59.11 (DIMMA) Listen Timer = 45 Circuit = NI-0-0 Adjacent Node = 59.58 (STUPI) Listen Timer = 45 (if there are more than one area router on the same LAN it will use the one with the highest node number, no metrics...) -P