> On May 30, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: > > Since I'm on a roll today, I figure I should announce the availability of a new tool for RSX, which I think most hobbyists will find rather useful. > > RPM is a packet manager for RSX (it has nothing to do with the Red Hat Packet Manager, except the name). Johnny, I love not only the new RPM software repository tool but also all the updated software tools. A few of the software packages that RPM listed were even new to me!

Also, I was behind in getting the latest versions of your NEMA, MKE and several others. This will make it very easy to stay current.

Thanks for this and also thanks for the latest version of your TCP/IP system.

On May 31, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: Ok. Thanks for inspiring me. I now also have TCP/IP as a package under RPM. A couple of comments about it are in place: 1) It's *big* You'll need atleast about 25.000 free blocks to install or update. So nothing for anyone with an RL02 as the system disk. 2) It will do the install/update, but it will not start TCP/IP. You will still need the separate scripts for TCP/IP in LB:[1,2]STARTUP.CMD in order to start the whole thing. RPM can only be used for the updating of the system. 3) Because of some issues, RPM will also not be able to automatically handle any updates to your IP configuration as such. So after doing an update of TCP/IP, you might want to do that by hand, which is done by running "LB:[IP]IPCONFIG UPD". If you are downloading the distribution itself, things runs just like before. 4) Depending on your internet connection, updating this package might take a little while. I have also observed some issues with some sneaky FTP proxy interfering with FTP transfers from MIM. If you are getting errors and timeouts doing transfers over FTP, try changing the source to be mim.update.uu.se:10021 instead. ? Johnny On 2020-05-31 10:04, R. Voorhorst wrote: > Nice functionality to arrive so easily at a well-kept updated > environment! > Big question now obviously appearing:? will TCP/IP follow suit or > is that not so suitable concerning the host machine? > Thanks, > Reindert > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] > On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist > Sent: Sunday, 31 May, 2020 02:24 > To: Mark Matlock <mark at matlockfamily.com>; hecnet at update.uu.se > Cc: Info-PDP11 at dbit.com; SIMH <simh at trailing-edge.com>; [PiDP-11] > <pidp-11 at googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: [PiDP-11] Re: [HECnet] Announcing RPM, a software > packet manager for RSX-11M-PLUS > On 2020-05-30 22:04, Mark Matlock wrote: >> >>> On May 30, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Since I'm on a roll today, I figure I should announce the >>> availability of a new tool for RSX, which I think most hobbyists >>> will find rather useful. >>> >>> RPM is a packet manager for RSX (it has nothing to do with the >>> Red Hat Packet Manager, except the name). >> >> Johnny, >> ????? I love not only the new RPM software repository tool but >> also all the updated software tools. A few of the software >> packages that RPM listed were even new to me! > You're welcome. And have have *lots* of more software. It will just > take a lot of time to work through it all and create packages for it. >> ????? Also, I was behind in getting the latest versions of your >> NEMA, MKE and several others. This will make it very easy to stay >> current. > Similar problem to my own... What version did I now have on that > machine? Did I do any updates since I last installed there? What > software do I actually have? And where is it...? >> ???? Thanks for this and also thanks for the latest version of >> your TCP/IP system. > Happy to provide it. And it looks like it has already seen some > action, based on the ftp logs at MIM... :-) > ??? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist????????????????? || "I'm on a bus ????????????????????????????????? ||? on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se???????????? ||? Reading murder books pdp is alive!???????????????????? ||? tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

Yes, this do simplify things even more. All you need to do is a one time install of whatever package you want. Then maintenance of an RSX system is essentially just a question of "RPM ALL". However, a possible additional complication is that if TCP/IP have been updated, you will want to do a reboot. So you need to somehow detect if that happened. I have some ideas on how you could check for that after updating, so that it can all be a bit more automated, but for a start, the simple "RPM ALL" is essentially doing almost all the work for you. ? Johnny On 2020-05-31 17:05, Mark Matlock wrote: > Johnny, > ??? This is a very interesting development!! As someone who is > updating about 6 RSX systems with your TCP/IP system on a roughly > weekly basis this is of keen interest to me. I like the idea of > keeping the IPCONFIG separate from RPM since the network > configuration can be so customized especially with the HECnet over > IP capabilities. > > ??? This is really a revolutionary way to handle RSX software > installation and maintenance! > > Thanks, > Mark > >> On May 31, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: >> >> Ok. Thanks for inspiring me. >> >> I now also have TCP/IP as a package under RPM. >> >> A couple of comments about it are in place: >> >> 1) It's *big* You'll need atleast about 25.000 free blocks to >> install or update. So nothing for anyone with an RL02 as the >> system disk. >> >> 2) It will do the install/update, but it will not start TCP/IP. >> You will still need the separate scripts for TCP/IP in >> LB:[1,2]STARTUP.CMD in order to start the whole thing. RPM can >> only be used for the updating of the system. >> >> 3) Because of some issues, RPM will also not be able to >> automatically handle any updates to your IP configuration as such. >> So after doing an update of TCP/IP, you might want to do that by >> hand, which is done by running "LB:[IP]IPCONFIG UPD". If you are >> downloading the distribution itself, things runs just like before. >> >> 4) Depending on your internet connection, updating this package >> might take a little while. I have also observed some issues with >> some sneaky FTP proxy interfering with FTP transfers from MIM. If >> you are getting errors and timeouts doing transfers over FTP, try >> changing the source to be mim.update.uu.se:10021 instead. >> >> ? Johnny >> >> On 2020-05-31 10:04, R. Voorhorst wrote: >>> Nice functionality to arrive so easily at a well-kept updated >>> environment! >>> Big question now obviously appearing:? will TCP/IP follow suit or >>> is that not so suitable concerning the host machine? >>> Thanks, >>> Reindert >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE >>> [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist >>> Sent: Sunday, 31 May, 2020 02:24 >>> To: Mark Matlock <mark at matlockfamily.com>; hecnet at update.uu.se >>> Cc: Info-PDP11 at dbit.com; SIMH <simh at trailing-edge.com>; [PiDP-11] >>> <pidp-11 at googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: Re: [PiDP-11] Re: [HECnet] Announcing RPM, a software >>> packet manager for RSX-11M-PLUS >>> On 2020-05-30 22:04, Mark Matlock wrote: >>>> >>>>> On May 30, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Since I'm on a roll today, I figure I should announce the >>>>> availability of a new tool for RSX, which I think most >>>>> hobbyists will find rather useful. >>>>> >>>>> RPM is a packet manager for RSX (it has nothing to do with the >>>>> Red Hat Packet Manager, except the name). >>>> >>>> Johnny, >>>> ????? I love not only the new RPM software repository tool but >>>> also all the updated software tools. A few of the software >>>> packages that RPM listed were even new to me! >>> You're welcome. And have have *lots* of more software. It will >>> just take a lot of time to work through it all and create >>> packages for it. >>>> ????? Also, I was behind in getting the latest versions of your >>>> NEMA, MKE and several others. This will make it very easy to >>>> stay current. >>> Similar problem to my own... What version did I now have on that >>> machine? Did I do any updates since I last installed there? What >>> software do I actually have? And where is it...? >>>> ???? Thanks for this and also thanks for the latest version of >>>> your TCP/IP system. >>> Happy to provide it. And it looks like it has already seen some >>> action, based on the ftp logs at MIM... :-) >>> ??? Johnny >> >> -- >> Johnny Billquist????????????????? || "I'm on a bus >> ????????????????????????????????? ||? on a psychedelic trip >> email: bqt at softjar.se???????????? ||? Reading murder books >> pdp is alive!???????????????????? ||? tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol >