Oh, I'm in Looooong Island, South Shore.
I actually have relatives not far from you in PA, but I hadn't gotten
around to noodging you yet for the distinct lack of 20's in your
collection.? I mean, you have a 4341 yet no 20?? Tisk, tisk...
Well, I'm pulling your leg a bit; a 20 is a seriously heavy lift.? A KL
has three purposes in life: 1) Generate Heat, 2) Suck Power, 3) Run
winning code.? A 2020 uses far less power, but doesn't have extended
addressing, so it is stuck at Tops-20 4.1, which leaves out a lot of
DECnet (and ARPAnet) stuff.? Apparently, you can squeeze 5.0 in; MRC did
this, but that was MRC.? Tops-20 is at version 7.0 now.
And both of them are seriously cranky beasts that needed care and
feeding from trained service personnel; wire wrap and all that (yech).?
Remember, it's not a mainframe unless you can't fit it in your house and
have to take out a second mortgage to pay for the electricity and tons
(60 for a 20) of air conditioning.
So Paul Allen had a KL based 20, which is now in the the Living Computer
museum.? But that cost was apparently less than a rounding error
compared to what he was worth.? A mere monetary blip, as it were.
On 4/22/20 11:28 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
Hey, I'm 5hrs from DC, where are you based Tom?
-Dave
On 4/22/20 11:25 PM, Thomas DeBellis wrote:
For VMS, for the moment I've gone with one of
Bob's machines as that is
on the 'local' DECnet area.? Perhaps I'll get better performance
although Supratim is closer, milage-wise.? D.C. is about a 5 hour drive
from here, while Bob's neck of the woods is a serious hike (Atlantic to
Pacific).
On 4/22/20 11:14 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> Well, the more the better, so get that VMS account. If you want to, I
> can create an account for you on MIM as well. (But it will be
> tomorrow, I need to go to bed...)
>
> ? Johnny
>
> On 2020-04-23 05:12, Thomas DeBellis wrote:
>> Yes, but the MIM guest account is shared; I'm going to need to store
>> a few files (captures, control files, Etc.)
>>
>> Wow, you've kept a real VAX running from 1993?? Good for you! I'll
>> contact you off-list.
>>
>> On 4/22/20 11:07 PM, Supratim Sanyal wrote:
>>> Thomas - MIM already has a guest account ... I have had fun sending
>>> Johnny smtp emails to that account.
>>>
>>> I can give you an account on MARIAH (a real VAX) if you wish, shoot
>>> me a note offline if you decide to follow up ...
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Supratim
>>>
>>> On 4/22/20 10:49 PM, Thomas DeBellis wrote:
>>>> I've had my fill of FAL and DAP for the moment and have turned to
>>>> some other things as sort of a 'break'.? The Tops-10 NFT client
>>>> breaks on certain file names that the 20 sends it, so there is
>>>> going to be some debugging to track that down.? Fortunately, a very
>>>> patient person gave me PPN on one of their 10's.
>>>>
>>>> Right now, I'm working on bringing the Tops-20 mail system a bit
>>>> more up to date with respect to DECnet communications. These were
>>>> largely put aside when full Internet connectivity happened. Still,
>>>> the PANDA distribution has some bit rot because I know that certain
>>>> Columbia changes for DECnet (to support CCnet) are not there.? I
>>>> can't imagine that we didn't send them to MRC; that would have
been
>>>> unthinkable.
>>>>
>>>> Fortunately, I was able to remember enough to put some of them back
>>>> so that I got SMTP over DECnet working well, again.? It had been
>>>> suffering from about two minute timing delays and now it's
>>>> instantaneous between 20's, like I remember.?? Oddly enough, I
>>>> don't remember what else ran SMTP over DECnet; I'm certain that
RSX
>>>> and VMS could have done it.? I think some VMS site might have.
>>>>
>>>> However, most non-SMTP DECnet hosts on CCnet were running Mail-11,
>>>> which the 20 also groks.? In fact, it can convert Mail-11 addresses
>>>> to SMTP and route over other transports such as PUP, Chaos and
>>>> TCP/IP as well as DECnet.? We did a lot of mail routing for CCnet
>>>> to the Internet on CU20B, back in the day.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, there is some bit rot in some of the Tops-20 Mail-11
>>>> code, so I've got some tinkering to do.? Does anyone have a VMS or
>>>> RSX system that they'd care to give me a guest account on?? It
>>>> doesn't need any special capabilities; I'm just going to be
sending
>>>> mail and looking a few raw headers over.
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Supratim Sanyal, W1XMT
>>> 39.19151 N, 77.23432 W
>>> QCOCAL::SANYAL via HECnet
>