[HECnet] Re: NETPTH Messages

------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 2023-04-11 02:54, Thomas DeBellis wrote: I don't have an informed opinion yet, as I only just started looking.  The code is kind of odd in that it is half Tops-10 andhalf Tops-20, but not in a GLXLIB sort of way. That being said, what you've pointed out strikes me as correct. Now, if I just look at the show node /xxx/status, I was wondering about something:     NCP>*tell a2rtr:: shoW noDE twenex:: statUS *     Remote Node = 31.29 (TWENEX)        Circuit = DMC-31        Next Node = 31.3 (PYRTR)     NCP>*telL pyrtr:: shoW noDE twenex:: statUS *     Remote Node = 31.29 (TWENEX)        State = Reachable        Delay = 1        Cost = 24        Hops = 2        Circuit = MUL-31-32 Isn't pyrtr:: supposed to be telling me what the next node is? Maybe that's why netpth is asking about circuits? On 4/10/23 8:42 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > Obviously, there is no good reason to ask for the circuit > information. You already got all you needed from the show node xx > status, right? > >   Johnny > > On 2023-04-11 02:37, Thomas DeBellis wrote: >> It sits in a loop doing the following: >> >>      show node xxx:: status >> >>  From that it picks out the appropriate circuit and does a >> >>      show circuit xxx status >> >> So, to show the path from venti2:: to twenex::, the first few >> commands would be >> >> NCP>*shoW noDE twenex:: statUS * >> >> Remote Node = 31.29 (TWENEX) >> >>    Active Links = 0 >>    Delay = 1 >> >>    Circuit = NI-0-0 >>    Next Node = 2.1023 (A2RTR) >> NCP>*shoW cirCUIT ni-0-0 staTUS * >> >> Circuit     State                  Loopback Adjacent Block >>                                       Name Node Size >> NI-0-0      On                              2.1023 (A2RTR) 591 >>    Designated Router = 2.1023 (A2RTR) >> NI-0-0                                        2.520 (TOMMYT) 1476 >> NCP>*tell a2rtr:: shoW noDE twenex:: statUS * >> >> Remote Node = 31.29 (TWENEX) >> >> >>    Circuit = DMC-31 >>    Next Node = 31.3 (PYRTR) >> NCP>*tell a2rtr:: shoW cirCUIT dmc-31 stATUS * >> >> Circuit = DMC-31 >> >>    State = On >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.3 (PYRTR) >>    Block Size = 576 >> NCP>*telL pyrtr:: shoW noDE twenex:: statUS * >> >> Remote Node = 31.29 (TWENEX) >> >>    State = Reachable >>    Delay = 1 >>    Cost = 24 >>    Hops = 2 >> >>    Circuit = MUL-31-32 >> NCP>*telL pyrtr:: shoW cirCUIT mul-31-32 statUS ** >> * >> Circuit = MUL-31-32 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.32 (PIPY) >>    Block Size = 576 >>    State = On >> NCP>*telL pipy:: shOW noDE twenex:: statUS ** >> * >> Remote Node = 31.29 (TWENEX) >> >>    State = Reachable >>    Type = Nonrouting IV >>    Cost = 4 >>    Hops = 1 >> >> Circuit = VDE-31 >> NCP>*tell pipy:: shoW cirCUIT vde-31 staTUS* >> >> Circuit = VDE-31 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.1022 (AHIMSA) >>    Block Size = 591 >>    State = On >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.1020 (MOKSHA) >>    Block Size = 591 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.13 (FEDACH) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.19 (MACOS9) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.14 (FOMFOR) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.26 (W2000S) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.18 (RAPTOR) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.21 (WXPEE2) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.22 (TRU64) >>    Block Size = 1490 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.20 (WFW311) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.16 (WEXPEE) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.11 (CLOUDY) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.10 (QCOCAL) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.12 (JUICHI) >>    Block Size = 576 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.23 (XLVII) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.24 (TSTVAX) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.28 (RST101) >>    Block Size = 598 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.31 (XLIV) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.33 (XL) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.34 (NANAJU) >>    Block Size = 576 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.35 (NJEVX1) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.36 (NJEVX2) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.41 (KDJ11E) >>    Block Size = 576 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.44 (XLVI) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.39 (ROUT20) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.38 (LV) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.15 (OSTARA) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.30 (VAXSTN) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.42 (XXXV) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.1021 (PYDNET) >>    Block Size = 591 >> >>    Adjacent Node = 31.27 (MACOS7) >>    Block Size = 1498 >> >> /Adjacent Node = 31.29 (//TWENEX//)// >> //  Block Size = 576/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> On 4/10/23 6:30 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: >>> Could you tell in detail which NICE messages you are generating? >>> >>> In general, if I were to do such a tool, I would normally do the >>> NICE message that generates the same request as NCP SHO NOD do. >>> >>> To give an example from JOCKE to A2RTR: >>> >>> .ncp sho nod a2rtr >>> >>> Node summary as of 11-APR-23 00:26:52 >>> >>> Remote                       Active Next >>> Node           State        Links   Delay  Circuit Node >>> >>> 2.1023 (A2RTR) 1.15 (PONDUS) >>> >>> .ncp tell pondus sho nod a2rtr >>> >>> Node summary as of 11-APR-23 00:27:05 >>> >>> Remote                       Active Next >>> Node           State        Links   Delay  Circuit Node >>> >>> 2.1023 (A2RTR) 1.13 (MIM) >>> >>> .ncp tell mim sho nod a2rtr >>> >>> Node summary as of 11-APR-23 00:27:21 >>> >>> Remote                       Active Next >>> Node           State        Links   Delay  Circuit Node >>> >>> 2.1023 (A2RTR) 31.3 (PYRTR) >>> >>> .ncp tell pyrtr sho nod a2rtr >>> >>> Node summary as of 11-APR-23 00:27:30 >>> >>> Remote                       Active Next >>> Node           State        Links   Delay  Circuit Node >>> >>> 2.1023 (A2RTR) >>> >>> >>> >>> Sadly PYRTR did not actually tell what the next node is here. >>> Not sure if it's just an old version of PYRTR, or if there is >>> something for Paul to improve. But you should get the idea... >>> >>> Also, note that this will give the forward path, which in DECnet >>> most certainly might be different than the return path... >>> >>>   Johnny >>> >>> >>> On 2023-04-10 23:58, Thomas DeBellis wrote: >>>> Now that I'm done with Kermit-20, I wanted to get back to >>>> finishing up some other work that I had been doing.  FAL, DAP >>>> and NFT are in good enough shape for me to leave them alone for >>>> the moment, so that's another rabbit hole I've gotten myself >>>> out of. >>>> >>>> I'm now looking fix an error that I somehow introduced into >>>> MMAILR (SMTP over DECnet).  Fixing this required modifying DDT, >>>> whichIhad to do to fix another issue I had introduced into >>>> Kermit.  I wanted to have a quick look at what Tops-20 hosts >>>> might be up on HECnet and wrote up a little batch job to use >>>> NETPTH to test connectivity. >>>> >>>> NETPTH is a nifty utility to find paths between DECnet nodes. >>>> It builds a connection the NCU's of various nodes to determine >>>> the path that a message might take to get there. Think of it >>>> like traceroute or ping -R (RECORD_ROUTE option). >>>> >>>> It almost never works... >>>> >>>> Before I roll up my sleeves and jump into this I was wondering >>>> if anybody had any observations about the errors I'm seeing? >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> *TINA*::*PAMINA*::*KLIO*::*TWLGHT*::*RARITY*::*FLUSHY*::*RBDASH*::*APPLEJ*::*PINKIE*::*DISCRD*::*TWENEX*:: >>>> >>>> >>>>   From              Via           Back   Thru Cost Hops >>>> VENTI2 (2.522)   =>NI-0-0     /BRG-0   <= A2RTR (2.1023) >>>> -1      -1 >>>> A2RTR  (2.1023)  =>DMC-31     / >>>> ?NETCFO Can't find Output Circuit parameter >>>> >>>> *SAMT20*:: >>>> ?NETURN Unreachable node >>>> >>>> *TOMMYT*:: >>>> >>>>   From              Via           Back   Thru Cost Hops >>>> VENTI2 (2.522)   =>NI-0-0     /NI-0-0  <= TOMMYT (2.520) 1       1 >>>> >>>> *BITXT2*::*BITXT0*::*MINDY*::*FALLON*::*JOSHUA*::*OLAF*:: >>>> >>>>   From              Via           Back   Thru Cost Hops >>>> VENTI2 (2.522)   =>NI-0-0     /BRG-0   <= A2RTR (2.1023) -1     -1 >>>> A2RTR  (2.1023)  => >>>> ?NETCFO Can't find Output Circuit parameter >>>> >>>> *WALACH*:: >>>> >>>>   From              Via           Back   Thru Cost Hops >>>> VENTI2 (2.522)   =>NI-0-0     /BRG-0   <= A2RTR (2.1023) >>>> -1      -1 >>>> A2RTR  (2.1023)  =>DMC-29-206  / >>>> ?NETCFO Can't find Output Circuit parameter >>>> >>>> *SOL*:: >>>> >>>>   From              Via           Back   Thru Cost Hops >>>> VENTI2 (2.522)   =>NI-0-0     /BRG-0  <= A2RTR (2.1023) -1      -1 >>>> A2RTR  (2.1023)  =>MUL-59-1016 / DMC-1  <= STORTR (59.1016) >>>> -1      -1 >>>> STORTR (59.1016) =>GRE-16      / >>>> ?NETCFO Can't find Output Circuit parameter >>>> >>>> *FENCER*:: >>>> >>>>   From              Via           Back   Thru Cost Hops >>>> VENTI2 (2.522)   =>NI-0-0     /BRG-0  <= A2RTR (2.1023) -1      -1 >>>> A2RTR  (2.1023)  =>MUL-59-1016 / DMC-1  <= STORTR (59.1016) >>>> -1      -1 >>>> STORTR (59.1016) =>GRE-16      / >>>> ?NETPTH NTMAN failed, reason: >>>> Parameter missing >>>>   $ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> HECnet mailing list -- hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-leave(a)lists.dfupdate.se >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HECnet mailing list -- hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se >> To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-leave(a)lists.dfupdate.se > _______________________________________________ HECnet mailing list -- hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-leave(a)lists.dfupdate.se