[HECnet] long term paks

I?m still having difficulty in envisaging a situation where VSI (and Stromasys and other commercial purveyors of VAX and Alpha emulators) can actually generate any new business even if/when VSI produce a port of VMS to x86/64. Are VSI going to bother doing JIT, or even one-time translation of VAX and Alpha images to x86/64. I got the impression that VAX to Alpha image translation wasn?t that great for anything particularly sophisticated. VAX and Alpha legacy software and its maintenance are probably as locked into now obsolete layered products as they are the hardware (real/emulated). New potential customers buying x86/64 hardware or cloud capacity are going to take a look at Windows and Linux, having already discounted the several orders of magnitude higher costs of VMS if the somewhat opaque VSI marketing rituals haven?t already put them off. I know what Windows Server 2019 will cost me, up front or hosted, on a range of platforms or providers within about 15 minutes of looking. I haven?t the faintest idea with VMS ? neither HPE nor VSI will tell me until I jump through hoops and then it?ll be after ?72 hours? of evasion and horse-trading. No thanks. Keith From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of David Moylan Sent: 13 March 2020 11:32 To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: Re: [HECnet] long term paks Hobbyist users who wish to use their VAXen beyond December 2021 will need to obtain ?alternative? licensing. Cheers, Wiz!! Sent from my iPhone On 13 Mar 2020, at 7:47 am, Thomas DeBellis <tommytimesharing at gmail.com<mailto:tommytimesharing at gmail.com>> wrote: ? I'm suspect? "normal commercial prices" == "bring your wallet" Go see what prices are for SAS to see what I mean. On 3/12/20 2:58 PM, Paul Koning wrote: Can anyone translate "normal commercial prices" into numbers? paul On Mar 12, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com<mailto:dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>> wrote: Jon says normal commercial prices so too expensive for most Dave On Fri, 13 Mar 2020, 7:46 am Ray Jewhurst, <raywjewhurst at gmail.com<mailto:raywjewhurst at gmail.com>> wrote: I haven't received an email? from them yet but I wonder if the offer will time sensitive or if we wait until December 31st 2021 when the final free hobbyist licenses expire. Ray? On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 2:41 PM Bill Cunningham <bill.cu at suddenlink.net<mailto:bill.cu at suddenlink.net>> wrote: I just received an email from the HPE program. I guess they are going to have long term PAKs they are selling to hobbyists. So I guess I am out. There is someone named Jon you can get these from. I believe Jon Feldman. Bill