7 Sep
2025
7 Sep
'25
5:45 a.m.
So could you show the simh ini file for the failed instance?
Johnny
On 2025-09-07 05:18, Brian Roth wrote:
OK. I cannot figure why but for some reason, if I
build the nodes on
working Pi's and then transfer the files over to the Pi's with the non-
working nodes, they communicate. And vice-versa, non-working nodes stay
non-working on the good Pi's. They are all updated, using 4.x version of
simh, same compilers etc. At least I have a work around.
BTW Terry All of the NCP info was exactly the same. I did the
calculations and verified the scssystemid in modparams, stripped the ini
files to the bare minimum to no avail.
Brian.
On Saturday, September 6, 2025 at 05:58:01 PM EDT, Terri Kennedy <terri-
hecnet(a)glaver.org> wrote:
[I mistakenly sent this reply to an address not subscribed to the list.]
On 2025-09-06 16:30, Brian Roth wrote:
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This is really kicking me. I have a rack with 5
Pi's in it. All are
going to the same switch. 2 of them have 4 simh instances each that are
working fine (DECNET). TCP-IP is working fine on all of them. They are
all wired. On the Pi thats running SCOOBY I created a 11/780 running
VMS 5.5. It does not communicate as well even though it says circuitup
(same problem as SCOOBY) OK, I created another instance on an entirely
different Pi with the same results. I have changed around the assigned
MAC address's in the simh ini files, swapped switch ports. Running out
of idea's here. I have Wireshark on one of the Pi's but have no
experience using it. Guess I better learn.
Remember, DECnet (assuming Phase IV) is going to change the MAC address
to one derived from the assigned DECnet address. The DECnet address
should also match SCSSYSTEMID, although I believe it will complain if
they don't.
Unique MAC addresses in the SIMH config prevent multiple nodes from
clashing with each other before DECnet starts, as well as confusing the
switche(s) that the nodes are connected to.
On Friday, September 5, 2025 at 02:10:04 PM EDT,
Johnny Billquist
<bqt(a)softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:
I would probably guess at a problem with the actual MAC address usedby
that MicroVMS system, but it's pretty hard to troubleshoot this
remotely.
But it's very clear that all the other nodes are not seeing 31.282 as
up, and so any communication will be failing.
Other possible problems could be if the connection to the outside
network is actually configured differently on this instance than the
others, for example.
Trying to think of other possible problems it could be. Maybe posting
the simh config for the failing machine, as well as for one working,
could be helpful.
Johnny
On 2025-09-05 20:04, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> I've seen issues sometimes, but I don't know the full extent of what
> the
> exact results might be.
>
> But don't matter. Now we know they are all simh instances.
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2025-09-05 19:57, Paul Koning wrote:
>> I thought SQE failure is only a warning and would not stop the device
>> from working.
>>
>> pul
>>
>>> On Sep 5, 2025, at 1:27 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)softjar.se
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>>wrote:
>>>
>>> That's one possibility. Another if he's running on some kind of
>>> emulator on a system that don't actually allow programmatic change
>>> of
>>> the MAC address, and you need to set the MAC correctly in the
>>> emulator before starting up. And if it is real hardware, is it
>>> connected to some switch then?10baseT? Does he have an adapter that
>>> can do SQE?
>>>
>>> There are many possible ways things could not work. What we can see
>>> isjust that incoming broadcast/multicast packets work, but so far
>>> nothing else.
>>>
>>> Johnny
>>>
>>> On 2025-09-05 19:22, Paul Koning wrote:
>>>> Is it WiFi? That doesn't work with DECnet MAC addresses (it
>>>> doesn't
>>>> like it when the NIC changes its address to aa-00-04-00-xx-yy).
>>>> paul
>>>>> On Sep 5, 2025, at 1:14 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)softjar.se
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, GEEZER (31.278) is not seeing 31.282 as up. So that's why
>>>>> you
>>>>> have a problem. This usually means that packets are working in one
>>>>> direction, but not the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> Was this a real machine? How have you connected it to the rest of
>>>>> the network?
>>>>>
>>>>> Johnny
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2025-09-05 18:45, Brian Roth wrote:
>>>>>> The address is 31.282. No File access, Phone or NCP Tell to
other
>>>>>> nodes but it is still able to go out and find a router. It
>>>>>> (31.282) can phone itself and set host but other nodes it just
>>>>>> hangs. If I phone anothernode it will just sit at
"Establishing
>>>>>> Decnet Link and then error to "Node is not reachable.
>>>>>> Brian.
>>>>>> On Friday, September 5, 2025 at 12:38:11 PM EDT, Johnny
Billquist
>>>>>> <bqt(a)softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:
>>>>>> No. Qbus ethernet or
Unibus ethernet makes no difference here.
>>>>>> Does anything else work? NCP to other nodes? Phone? File access?
>>>>>> What's the address of that microvax?
>>>>>> Johnny
>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 17:59, Brian Roth wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello, I currently have 8 simh vax machines on Hecnet all
>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>> Its a mix of machines running VMS 3.5 to 7.3 and while some
were
>>>>>>> abit
>>>>>>> of a challenge they all talk. I recently configured a
Microvax
>>>>>>> II
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> MicroVMS 4.6 as well as Decnet 4.6 and assigned it to my
area
>>>>>>> 31.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> network loads without errors and I am able to SET HOST to
itself
>>>>>>> butto
>>>>>>> no other nodes in my area or vice versa. SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS
>>>>>>> showsthe
>>>>>>> hosts I manually defined. SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS
CHARACTERISTICS
>>>>>>> showsa
>>>>>>> designated router in my area so its finding that. If I bring
a
>>>>>>> router
>>>>>>> node down it successfully finds another in the area.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The microvax node:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Known Circuit Volatile Characteristics as of 5-SEP-1987
>>>>>>> 11:37:16
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Circuit = QNA-0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> State = on
>>>>>>> Service = disabled
>>>>>>> Designated router = 31.278
>>>>>>> Cost =4
>>>>>>> Router priority =64
>>>>>>> Hello timer = 15
>>>>>>> Type = Ethernet
>>>>>>> Adjacent node =31.278
>>>>>>> Listen timer = 45
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The working nodes match with the exception of the circuit.
All
>>>>>>> theother
>>>>>>> machines are UNA-0 (UNIBUS) and this one is of course QNA-0
>>>>>>> Couldthis
>>>>>>> be the problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian.
>>>>>>>
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