9 Jun
2019
9 Jun
'19
3:37 a.m.
Yes, IP on both PDP-11 and Moe show IP-starting. I am looking at the MAC
addresses
NCP>SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS
Known circuits summary as of 8-JUN-2019 21:34:59
Circuit = UNA-0
State = Off
Circuit = IP-0-0
State = On-starting
Circuit = IP-0-1
State = Off
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 9:12 PM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Since DECnet decides what MAC address you are supposed
to have, they
*have* to have the same MAC address in simh, which is why I was pointing
out that if you actually had them on the same ethernet segment, you are
messed up. :-)
They have to have the same address because it is derived from the DECnet
address, and your machine only ever have one DECnet address. DECnet do
not have an address per interface, like IP do.
Johnny
On 2019-06-09 03:08, Kurt Hamm wrote:
initial
I
can
want
line.
in.
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OK. I did have two ethernet adapters configured
for each server. I
disabled the second one. But, worse, in the simh ini file, both servers
had the same MAC addresses associated with their ethernet adapters. I
am not sure how this ever worked.
I am still checking things and will start working on that PDP-11
default thing shortly.
Kurt
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 8:47 PM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
Oh, and by the way... Do you have two physical, separate ethernets?
Because otherwise you might be in even more trouble, as you have two
ethernet interfaces defined on MOE, and they both see LARRY. If you
actually have two ethernet networks between the two machines, then
everything is fine. Otherwise you are actually very messed up.
Johnny
On 2019-06-09 02:45, Johnny Billquist wrote:
details
Maybe not much comfort, but MOE isn't using
the multinet link to
LARRY
either, but is also talking over ethernet.
Johnny
On 2019-06-09 02:36, Kurt Hamm wrote:
> Ugh. Back to work.
>
> I did see some errors....
>
> Kurt
>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 8:35 PM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt
at softjar.se>>> wrote:
>
> Well, just taking a peek at CURLY, I can also tell that you
have not
> managed to get the multinet links up and
running, but are
> communicating
> with DECnet over ethernet. :-)
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2019-06-09 02:20, Kurt Hamm wrote:
> > That's it! Everything works great. I have the node list
and can
> access
> > reachable nodes from the PDP-11.
> >
> > This is just really wonderful.
> >
> > As a thank you, I will leave the mailing list alone for a
> while. ha!
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 6:42 PM Johnny Billquist
<bqt at
softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
> > <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ok, a quick rundown on some of the more esoteric >
about lines
> > and
> > circuits might be useful here.
> >
> > First of all, Kurt, you might want to redo the NETGEN
and
not
> set the
> > system up for DECnet routing. It takes a lot of
resources,
> and if you
> > don't really want it, you are much better off with a
system
>> not even
>> > generated for it.
>> >
>> > The question about remote nodes are just for an >
population of
> > your local nodename database. All you need there is
really
to
> define
> > MIM
> > (1.13). You can then copy the whole nodename database
from
> MIM over to
> > your machine that way instead. Let me know if you
want some
>> details on
>> > that step.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2019-06-08 22:25, Mark Matlock wrote:
>> > > Kurt,
>> > > If you want two circuits like UNA-0 and IP-0-0
> think
you
> > have to
> > > be a routing node (but not an area router).
> >
> > Not really, but maybe. If you define multiple
circuits, and
>> are an
>> > end-node, only one circuit will be active. But others >
exist, and
> > the
> > system will fall back to some other circuit if the
active
one
> goes
> > down.
> > So it can be used as a back connection.
> >
> > However, even as an end-node, you can have several
*lines*
>> on and
>> > active
>> > at the same time. And this is a trick to use if you >
> DECnet-over-IP,
> > but want to be an endnode. You need ethernet for
TCP/IP to
> work, but
> > you
> > do not want DECnet to use the ethernet circuit.
> >
> > But you configure one IP line as well, and that is
the one
>> DECnet will
>> > be using. Meanwhile, TCP/IP is using the ethernet >
>
> > It might sound a little confusing, but think about it
for a
> second, and
> > I hope it becomes clear. Otherwise, just ask, and
I'll
try to
> > explain it
> > better.
> >
> > > Also, you should define all the nodes you want to
talk
> to with
> > NCP in
> > > one of the startup files or do it with CFE but I
prefer
> startup
> > so it?s
> > > simple to change.
> >
> > I would actually say that you wouldn't. Of course,
there
is
> nothing
> > wrong in doing this, but if you want the full HECnet
nodename
>> database,
>> > it contains 700 nodes. That will take a while to type >> >
>> > However, you can copy the nodename database from
another
>
DECnet node,
> > and then use this.
> >
> > But you need at least the nodename of someone where
you
will
> be copying
> > from to start with, which is why I suggested adding
MIM at
> the start.
> >
> > After that, there is [5,54]NNC which is the nodename
> collector task.
> > Run
> > it, collect names from another node, and build a new
database
> with
> > this.
> > Then stop and restart the node name server, and you
have
all
> the nodes
> > defined.
> >
> > (The node name server is managed by the command SCP.
> > So, SCP STOP followed by SCP START will do it.)
> >
> > Johnny
> >
> > --
> > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> > || on a
psychedelic
trip
> > email: bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at
softjar.se>>
> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at
softjar.se>>> ||
> > Reading murder books
> > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay
hip" -
> B. Idol
> >
>
> -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> || on a psychedelic trip
> email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> ||
> Reading murder books
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" -
B. Idol