[HECnet] VMS/RSX Guest accounts

Indeed, I thought it was seriously neat. Yet nothing PDP-6 or 10 as I saw. But those are some serious beasts to have around. I mean, woof. On 4/22/20 11:55 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: > Hello! > And we are neighbors. I am in Astoria Queens. Dave has an amazing > collection of machines, everything imaginable. > ----- > Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:43 PM Thomas DeBellis > <tommytimesharing at gmail.com> wrote: >> Oh, I'm in Looooong Island, South Shore. >> I actually have relatives not far from you in PA, but I hadn't gotten >> around to noodging you yet for the distinct lack of 20's in your >> collection. I mean, you have a 4341 yet no 20? Tisk, tisk... >> Well, I'm pulling your leg a bit; a 20 is a seriously heavy lift. A KL >> has three purposes in life: 1) Generate Heat, 2) Suck Power, 3) Run >> winning code. A 2020 uses far less power, but doesn't have extended >> addressing, so it is stuck at Tops-20 4.1, which leaves out a lot of >> DECnet (and ARPAnet) stuff. Apparently, you can squeeze 5.0 in; MRC did >> this, but that was MRC. Tops-20 is at version 7.0 now. >> And both of them are seriously cranky beasts that needed care and >> feeding from trained service personnel; wire wrap and all that (yech). >> Remember, it's not a mainframe unless you can't fit it in your house and >> have to take out a second mortgage to pay for the electricity and tons >> (60 for a 20) of air conditioning. >> So Paul Allen had a KL based 20, which is now in the the Living Computer >> museum. But that cost was apparently less than a rounding error >> compared to what he was worth. A mere monetary blip, as it were. >> On 4/22/20 11:28 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: >>> Hey, I'm 5hrs from DC, where are you based Tom? >>> -Dave >>> On 4/22/20 11:25 PM, Thomas DeBellis wrote: >>>> For VMS, for the moment I've gone with one of Bob's machines as that is >>>> on the 'local' DECnet area. Perhaps I'll get better performance >>>> although Supratim is closer, milage-wise. D.C. is about a 5 hour drive >>>> from here, while Bob's neck of the woods is a serious hike (Atlantic to >>>> Pacific). >>>> On 4/22/20 11:14 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: >>>>> Well, the more the better, so get that VMS account. If you want to, I >>>>> can create an account for you on MIM as well. (But it will be >>>>> tomorrow, I need to go to bed...) >>>>> Johnny >>>>> On 2020-04-23 05:12, Thomas DeBellis wrote: >>>>>> Yes, but the MIM guest account is shared; I'm going to need to store >>>>>> a few files (captures, control files, Etc.) >>>>>> Wow, you've kept a real VAX running from 1993? Good for you! I'll >>>>>> contact you off-list. >>>>>> On 4/22/20 11:07 PM, Supratim Sanyal wrote: >>>>>>> Thomas - MIM already has a guest account ... I have had fun sending >>>>>>> Johnny smtp emails to that account. >>>>>>> I can give you an account on MARIAH (a real VAX) if you wish, shoot >>>>>>> me a note offline if you decide to follow up ... >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Supratim >>>>>>> On 4/22/20 10:49 PM, Thomas DeBellis wrote: >>>>>>>> I've had my fill of FAL and DAP for the moment and have turned to >>>>>>>> some other things as sort of a 'break'. The Tops-10 NFT client >>>>>>>> breaks on certain file names that the 20 sends it, so there is >>>>>>>> going to be some debugging to track that down. Fortunately, a very >>>>>>>> patient person gave me PPN on one of their 10's. >>>>>>>> Right now, I'm working on bringing the Tops-20 mail system a bit >>>>>>>> more up to date with respect to DECnet communications. These were >>>>>>>> largely put aside when full Internet connectivity happened. Still, >>>>>>>> the PANDA distribution has some bit rot because I know that certain >>>>>>>> Columbia changes for DECnet (to support CCnet) are not there. I >>>>>>>> can't imagine that we didn't send them to MRC; that would have been >>>>>>>> unthinkable. >>>>>>>> Fortunately, I was able to remember enough to put some of them back >>>>>>>> so that I got SMTP over DECnet working well, again. It had been >>>>>>>> suffering from about two minute timing delays and now it's >>>>>>>> instantaneous between 20's, like I remember. Oddly enough, I >>>>>>>> don't remember what else ran SMTP over DECnet; I'm certain that RSX >>>>>>>> and VMS could have done it. I think some VMS site might have. >>>>>>>> However, most non-SMTP DECnet hosts on CCnet were running Mail-11, >>>>>>>> which the 20 also groks. In fact, it can convert Mail-11 addresses >>>>>>>> to SMTP and route over other transports such as PUP, Chaos and >>>>>>>> TCP/IP as well as DECnet. We did a lot of mail routing for CCnet >>>>>>>> to the Internet on CU20B, back in the day. >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, there is some bit rot in some of the Tops-20 Mail-11 >>>>>>>> code, so I've got some tinkering to do. Does anyone have a VMS or >>>>>>>> RSX system that they'd care to give me a guest account on? It >>>>>>>> doesn't need any special capabilities; I'm just going to be sending >>>>>>>> mail and looking a few raw headers over. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Supratim Sanyal, W1XMT >>>>>>> 39.19151 N, 77.23432 W >>>>>>> QCOCAL::SANYAL via HECnet > And this spot belongs to the Rebel Alliance to Restore the Republic Again