Non-optimal no longer!
The GRE link between area routers ONAPI4 (Area 29) and A34RTR (Area 34) is
now up and running.
Thanks Tomas!
Wilm
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)softjar.se>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 3:52 AM
To: hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Networking a KS10, was Re: Re: An example of
non-optimal setup
I've not seen/heard of HDLC microcode for the KMC. But I guess it would be
theoretically possible. But I wonder if anyone have the docs and tools to
create new firmware for the KMC today...
Johnny
On 2022-09-11 03:39, Peter Lothberg wrote:
Is there KMC-11 code for HDLC? The DUP-11 to my memory
would not get
in the way of HDLC.
If you want to talk to a cisco sync interface, put the DECnet packet
in a cisco HDLC frame. You can turn off all the keep alive/rarp humbo
jumbo that goes on between two cisco boxes.
The FCS is 16 bit CRC for slow links and 32 bit for "fast" links.
-P
cisco Serial Line Encapsulation
-------------------------------
cisco's default encapsulation on synchronous serial lines uses HDLC
framing, with packet contents defined as follows:
The first ("address") octet is set to 0x0F for unicast packets and
0x8F for broadcast packets. Broadcast just means that the higher-level
protocol thought this was a broadcast packet; cisco doesn't support
multidrop HDLC at this time.
The second ("control") octet is always 0.
The next two octets are a 16-bit protocol code, sent
most-significant-first.
These codes are usually Ethernet type codes. cisco has
added some
codes to support packet types that don't appear on Ethernets. The
current list of codes is as follows:
TYPE_PUP 0x0200 PUP
TYPE_XNS 0x0600 XNS
TYPE_IP10MB 0x0800 IP
TYPE_CHAOS 0x0804 Chaos
TYPE_IEEE_SPANNING 0x4242 DSAP/SSAP for IEEE bridge
spanning prot.
TYPE_DECNET 0x6003 DECnet phase
IV
TYPE_BRIDGE 0x6558 Bridged Ethernet/802.3 packet
TYPE_APOLLO 0x8019 Apollo domain
TYPE_REVERSE_ARP 0x8035 cisco SLARP (not real reverse
ARP!)
TYPE_DEC_SPANNING 0x8038 DEC bridge
spanning tree protocol
TYPE_ETHERTALK 0x809b Apple EtherTalk
TYPE_AARP 0x80f3 Appletalk ARP
TYPE_NOVELL1 0x8137 Novell IPX
TYPE_CLNS 0xFEFE ISO CLNP/ISO ES-IS DSAP/SSAP
This list is shared between serial and Ethernet encapsulations. Not
all these codes will necessarily appear on serial lines. This list
will probably be extended as cisco adds support for more protocols.
Bytes after this are higher-level protocol data. These normally look
the same as they'd look on Ethernet. Bridging packets include
Ethernet/802.3 MAC headers; no other packets do.
Packets with type 8035 (reverse ARP) don't contain reverse ARP data as
they would on an Ethernet. Instead, they carry a protocol cisco refers
to as SLARP. SLARP has two functions: dynamic IP address determination
and serial line keepalive.
The serial line model supported by SLARP assumes that each serial line
is a separate IP subnet, and that one end of the line is host number
1, while the other end is host number 2. The SLARP address resolution
protocol allows system A to request that system B tell system A system
B's IP address, along with the IP netmask to be used on the network.
It does this by sending a SLARP address resolution request packet, to
which system B responds with a SLARP address resolution reply packet.
System A then attempts to determine its own IP address based on the
address of system B. If the host portion of system B's address is 1,
system A will use 2 for the host portion of its own IP address.
Conversely, if system B's IP host number is 2, system A will use IP
host number 1. If system B replies with any IP host number other than
1 or 2, system A assumes that system B is unable to provide it with an
address via
SLARP.
For the SLARP keepalive protocol, each system sends the other a
keepalive packet at a user-configurable interval. The default interval is
10
seconds.
Both systems must use the same interval to ensure
reliable operation.
Each system assigns sequence numbers to the keepalive packets it
sends, starting with zero, independent of the other system. These
sequence numbers are included in the keepalive packets sent to the
other system. Also included in each keepalive packet is the sequence
number of the last keepalive packet _received_ from the other system,
as assigned by the other system. This number is called the returned
sequence number. Each system keeps track of the last returned sequence
number it has received. Immediately before sending a keepalive packet,
it compares the sequence number of the packet it is about to send with the
returned
sequence number in the last keepalive packet it has received.
If the two differ by 3 or more, it considers the line
to have failed,
and will route no further higher-level data across it until an
acceptable keepalive response is received.
There is interaction between the SLARP address resolution protocol and
the SLARP keepalive protocol. When one end of a serial line receives a
SLARP address resolution request packet, it assumes that the other end
has restarted its serial interface and reset its keepalive sequence
numbers. In addition to responding to the address resolution request,
it will act as if the other end had sent it a keepalive packet with a
sequence number of zero, and a returned sequence number the same as
the returned sequence number of the last real keepalive packet it received
from the
other end.
The following is a C definition for the SLARP packet. The "long" and
"ulong"
types are 32-bit numbers, high octet sent first. The
"ushort" type is
a 16-bit number, high octet sent first.
struct slarp {
long code; /* SLARP packet type code */
union sl { /* followed by one of: */
struct { /* Address resolution functions
*/
ulong address; /* Address of
system sending this
pkt */
ulong mask; /* IP subnet
mask for this line
*/
ushort unused; /* Unused:
contents undefined */
} add; /* -- or -- */
struct { /* Keepalive probing functions */
ulong mysequence; /* Outgoing sequence number */
ulong yoursequence; /* Returned sequence number */
ushort reliability; /* Reserved: set to FFFF */
} chk;
} t;
};
Note that the data storage for t.add is overlayed on the data storage
for t.chk. The whole SLARP packet consists of a 32-bit type code,
followed by two 32-bit quantities and one 16-bit quantity. The overall
length of the SLARP packet is 14 octets. The "code" field is used to
identify the packet's SLARP type. Legal values for the "code" field are as
follows:
SLARP_REQUEST 0 Address resolution request
SLARP_REPLY 1 Address resolution reply
SLARP_LINECHECK 2 Line keepalive
For address resolution request packets, the "address" and "mask"
fields are set to zero, and the contents of the "unused" field field
are undefined. For address resolution reply packets, the "address"
field contains the IP address of the _replying_ system, and the "mask"
field contains the IP subnet mask to be used. The contents of the "unused"
field are undefined.
For keepalive packets, the "mysequence" field contains the sequence
number of the packet and the "yoursequence" field contains the
returned sequence number, which is the sequence number of the last
keepalive packet the sending system has gotten from the receiving
system. The "reliability" field is reserved for future use, and _must_ be
set to FFFF hexadecimal.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire(a)neurotica.com>
To: "The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list" <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 9:23:05 PM
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Networking a KS10, was Re: Re: An example of
non-optimal setup
I could put that together pretty easily.
But what about DECnet over async? Suboptimal perhaps, but if the
goal is "get it talking"...would that be supported on the KS?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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