8 Jun
2019
8 Jun
'19
9:12 p.m.
Well, I think it is done. I can set host to the pdp-11 from my local
vax3900. The pdp-11 doesn't seem to know the other nodes. I also can't
get a shared directory (dir aldur::).
I will keep reading.
Kurt
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 12:35 PM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Mark...
On 2019-06-08 18:25, Mark Matlock wrote:
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|| on a psychedelic trip
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pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Kurt,
You are getting close. You have a -26. (File not found) Error on the
file
LB:{5,54]IP.STB
Indeed.
The IPGEN process should copy three files
IP.STB IP.TSK and IP.TSK
into LB:[5,54] but
Since they are not there, you can copy them from
[IPNET] to [5,54]
They are only copied if you answer YES to the related question when
running IPGEN.
There are actually a couple of more files installed. I can't remember
now if any might be optional, but anyway:
PIP [5,54]/NV=[IPNET]*.DAT,IP.TSK,IP.STB
PIP [5,24]/NV=[IPNET]IP.OBJ
LBR [130,10]NETLIB.MLB/RP=[IPNET]IPDF.MAC
You should then run the NETGEN procedure after these files have been
copied, and then NETGEN should run fine, and then you run
[IPNET]IPNEY.CMD after NETGEN have completed. Then you can try starting
DECnet, and once DECnet is started, you can try bringing up the DECnet
over IP lines.
Johnny
Best,
Mark
> On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:04 AM, Kurt Hamm <kurt at hamm.me> wrote:
>
> Well, this was really good information. Mark, the walk-through was
extremely
helpful. I feel like I am almost there.
>
> There is something I am missing related to the final step. I added this
line
to the end of startup.cmd: @LB:[IPNET]INS.CMD. Not sure if that is
the correct way to call that CMD file.
>
> I am not exactly sure about the content changes especially the ports:
> MNC SET CIR IP-0-0 TCA HOST 192.168.1.49:7705 PORT 0
> NCP SET CIR IP-0-0 STA ON
>
> When I run [ipnet]ins.cmd:
>> @LB:[IPNET]INS.CMD
>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCOM/UIC=[1,54]/PRO=[RW,RW,,]
>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTNET
>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCFG
>> NCP SET PROC IP TOP
> NTL -- IP Symbol Table File -- Open Failure (-26.)
> NTL -- LB:[5,54]IP.STB
> NCP -- Set failed, operation failure
> Network Loader function failed
>> NCP SET LIN IP-0-* ALL
> NTL -- IP Symbol Table File -- Open Failure (-26.)
> NTL -- LB:[5,54]IP.STB
> NCP -- Line IP-0-0, Set failed, operation failure
> Network Loader function failed
> NTL -- IP Symbol Table File -- Open Failure (-26.)
> NTL -- LB:[5,54]IP.STB
> NCP -- Line IP-0-1, Set failed, operation failure
> Network Loader function failed
>> MNC SHO VER
> Initialize common
> NT.IP not loaded. Please load before running this tool.
>> MNC SET CIR IP-0-0 TCA HOST 192.168.1.49:7705 PORT 0
> Initialize common
> NT.IP not loaded. Please load before running this tool.
>> NCP SET CIR IP-0-0 STA ON
> NCP -- Set failed, component in wrong state, Line
>> @ <EOF>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 8:34 AM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
> In addition to the information and transcript Mark provided, do not
> forget to run the post-processing script from IPNET after completing the
> NETGEN procedure. It will modify the DECnet configuration somewhat to
> more correctly handle the IP lines.
>
> And no, Kurt is not connecting directly to Mim, but possibly just
> between his own machines, and otherwise being hooked up to area 31.
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2019-06-08 14:13, Mark Matlock wrote:
>> Kurt,
>> As Johnny says you should read chapter 10 of [IP]README.DOC and
run a
NETGEN to add the IP HECnet device. I?ve attached a walk-through of a
NETGEN that can help guide you but you should understand the information in
chapter 10.
>>
>> You should have a unique DECnet node address for your system (from
Johnny) to use instead of the one I supplied in the walk-through.
>>
>> Later when bringing up IP-0-0 in the [IPNET]INS.CMD I think you
need
a port # for attachment to MIM if that is where you are connecting to?
>>
>> Best,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 6:36 AM, Kurt Hamm <kurt at hamm.me> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Johnny and thanks Mark. For some reason I thought that this
was
already done since IP was working.
>>>
>>> This is just what I needed to know to finish this thing off. I really
appreciate the assistance.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 5:32 AM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
wrote:
>>> Kurt, Mark is absolutely right.
>>>
>>> You do not have the IP line driver generated into DECnet.
>>>
>>> This is what I suspect quite a few mails back between us, and tried to
>>> point out.
>>>
>>> And do not try to just edit CEMAC.MAC to add those lines Mark mention.
>>> That will not work. You need to run through the DECnet generation
>>> process, and then the IPNET postprocessing step. It's all in the
TCP/IP
>>> manual, if you read it.
>>>
>>> Johnny
>>>
>>> On 2019-06-08 05:58, Mark Matlock wrote:
>>>> Kurt,
>>>> I think you need to have the ?IP" network device NETGENed into
DECnet.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that you first error occurs at the NCP SET PROC IP TOP
makes me think that DECnet does not have a driver for the IP device loaded.
When I made the ?Frodo? distribution available, I did a new SYSGEN for an
11/70 and also a NETGEN. In the NETGEN for the Unibus system a ?UNA? was
the ethernet device and on a Qbus system (the actual Frodo 30.1) a QNA
device is used.
>>>>
>>>> It would be helpful if you typed out LB:[5,54]CETAB.MAC as it
could confirm if the IP device has been NETGENed in or not. In CETAB.MAC
the 3rd actual line of code should look like:
>>>>
>>>> PDV$DF
<AUX,EVL,ECL,XPT,NCT,RTH,LAT,DLX>,<EPM>,<UNA,IP>
>>>>
>>>> Three lines below that should be:
>>>>
>>>> SLT$DF IP,IP,XPT,LF.TIM,0,0,,0.,0.,15.
>>>>
>>>> It?s been a while since I added the IP-0-0 LIN and Circuits to
my system, but I try to do that to one of my PiDP-11s and post the walk
through for it.
>>>>
>>>> Below I?ve put some information of the sequence of startup
command files that may help you understand the files involved.
>>>>
>>>> In the LB:[1,2]STARTUP.CMD of the Frodo distribution RSX and
DECnet are started as is normal for any RSX. It then chains to
LB:[1,2]INSPROG.CMD which brings up the DU1: disk that you either download
from RSX11M.COM or the Simh boot.ini will make a blank one.
>>>>
>>>> At the end of the INSPROG.CMD two questions are asked with
timeouts. The first will load LAT and the second loads Johnny?s TCP/IP. It
loads the TCP/IP by chaining to LB:[IP]IPINS.CMD which will load TCP/IP and
either DHCP an IP address or set a static IP address. At the end of that
file then LB:[IP]IPAPPL.CMD is executed which sets up FTP, TELNET, NTP and
other applications.
>>>>
>>>> Now, in the Frodo distribution IPAPPL.CMD, there is a line that
was either commented or deleted that chains to LB:[IPNET]INSHECNET.CMD
which is used to link the actual node Frodo (HECnet 30.1) to MIM
>>>>
>>>> Your [IPNET]INS.CMD looks identical to the INSHECNET.CMD on
Frodo including the host port # which may be something we need to change?
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a HECnet address from Johnny? Also, where are you
planning to connect to HECnet?
>>>>
>>>> There is a [IPNET]INS.NEW which is the template that Johnny provides
and it does not have a port specified on MIM. I don?t remember the exact
mechanics on MIM That accepts connections but that may be a function of
that port # Frodo connects to MIM on IP-0-10 but that is not specified on
Frodo but on MIM.
>>
>> Best,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 9:35 PM, Kurt Hamm <kurt at hamm.me> wrote:
>>>
>>> So, I added this command to the startup.cmd: @LB:[IPNET]INS.CMD.
>>>
>>> I didn't modify the file yet. I wanted to see what it would do
>>>
>>> The result after rebooting was this:
>>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCOM/UIC=[1,54]/PRO=[RW,RW,,]
>>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTNET
>>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCFG
>>>> NCP SET PROC IP TOP
>>> NCP -- Set failed, unrecognized component, Process
>>>> NCP SET LIN IP-0-* ALL
>>> NCP -- Set failed, invalid identification format, Line
>>>> MNC SHO VER
>>> Initialize common
>>> NT.IP not found. Exiting...
>>>> MNC SET CIR IP-0-0 TCA HOST MIM.UPDATE.UU.SE:7705 PORT 0
>>> Initialize common
>>> NT.IP not found. Exiting...
>>>> NCP SET CIR IP-0-0 STA ON
>>> NCP -- Set failed, invalid identification format, Circuit
>>>
>>> There are lots of errors, so I am not sure where to start.
>>>
>>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>
>
>
> --
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> || on a psychedelic trip
> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol