On 2025-08-19 05:36, md.benson(a)gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
It’s been a long while.
Slightly off-topic but this is the best DEC group I am still part of
so here goes…
A friend and I might well be about to rescue a pair of VAX 4000/500
systems. We aren’t sure how much we’ll be able to transport in one go
but we have them earmarked at least.
Those are wonderful systems. You can do an in-box upgrade to a
Model 705A and 512MB and you'll have a system faster than a VAX
9000.
Firstly are there any “gotchas” to look out for on
these fridge-sized
absolute units? I know little aside from what I’ve read in the DEC
documentation so far.
The battery leaks. It's in the swing-out door covering the CPU and
memory. If it got on the door board, you may have to clean it. In
addition to the obvious screws, you need to remove the nut on the
BNC connector.
The power supply is another problem area. The typical symptom is
the supply will light up briefly, then shut down.
You need a notched (high-current) IEC cable for power. Eventually
you can get a right-angle one.
I can send you new batteries (otherwise they're unobtainium - I had
a few dozen made). Contact me off-list if you need some.
If boards have been removed from the Q-bus, you may be missing some
peripherals. You can do a "show dev" at the console ">>>"
prompt to
check.
Secondly, I am aware these are DSSI based systems. We
aren’t sure if
the owners will release the disks yet as they could insist on
retaining them for data destruction. If we lose them are we completely
shanghai’d? Are there and modern solutions for DSSI emulation around
at non-stupendous (i.e. hobbyist) prices?
You/they can do a DOD-approved erase (look in the docs for the "set
host" command you need to use and the task is "erase").
Be nice to the disks - they're always spun up (and make sounds like
an explosion in a popcorn factory). Use the Ready/Run button on the
operator control panel to park the heads before powering down.
VMS has firmware updates for many drives, including DSSI ones. The
update does scary things like turning on the fault light several
times, and an update can take up to 15 minutes per drive - the older
the drive firmware was, the longer servo calibration takes. The up-
dates are in SYS$ETC:, IIRC.
You need DSSI terminators (2 on the CPU door and one at the front
bottom left of the chassis). These are not SCSI terminators.
If all of the disks have been removed, you'll need another control-
ler and drives. The KZQSA is relatively inexpensive and gives you
slow, narrow single-ended SCSI on a "Centronics" type connector. It
Was only "supported (long ago) for tape drives and CD-ROM drives,
but VMS doesn't care. Note that you need a terminator on the second
connector on the KZQSA.
If you don't have a terminated Ethernet, you'll need either a BNC "T"
connector with 2 terminators, an AUI to 10-base-T adapter with SQE
enabled (you'll need an older one with a SQE switch. Allied Telesyn
ones have the switch. You can also use the "Ethercork" which is an AUI
loopback with a green LED.
If you want to get fancy, you can add DSSI disks - the whole back-
plane is pre-wired. When ordering, be sure to say that you need the
mounting hardware and operator control panel for a VAX 4000 in a
BA440. If you need parts, call Ron at VARx. Feel free to drop my name
and mention that the parts are for a hobbyist restoration.
There is a switch to select AUI or BNC on the door. It tends to develop
bad connections over time. Usually a switch back and forth about 10
times will clear it.
On power up the console (baud rate set by switch, funky modular con-
nector - you'll need a special cable if it doesn't come with one),
both on the outside of the CPU door.
The system will count down tests by number - carefully note any com-
plete error message (an in-focus picture of the screen is fine).
It may give you a scary "?Normal operation not possible", but you
can normally get past that and do a "boot <devicename> anyway.
If we need to net-boot them the what’s the skinny on
that? I think
you can do it using a SimH VAX and some clustering magic IIRC?
Yup. CLUSTER$CONFIG and then "add a node". Then you "BOOT EZA0" (I
think that's the right name) and watch the magic happen (as long as
you have the Ethernet connection working).
All help is greatly appreciated. If we get these I
want to put a big
effort into saving them and getting them running. I will need a lot of
help as I am not at all well versed in VAX hardware.
Feel free to email me directly if you have more questions.
I'm in the hospital now, recovering from spinal surgery. But once I
get home, I can send you batteries and the console cable if you need
them. I can probably dig up the correct power cable, too.
Sorry for some out-of-order parts - I'm typing this on a tablet in
my hospital bed.
Thanks!
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