23 Apr
2020
23 Apr
'20
5:20 a.m.
Yes, that's what I've been doing, but I need a little local storage for
data capture, control files and some other odd and ends, so I was hoping
to get my own personal account.? However, when I went to send you some
Mail-11 about it, the 20's mail agent crashed, so I guess that's one
request you never got.
I can't really remember what else spoke SMTP over DECnet.? I know Ultrix
could have done it, but it has that losing bind interface, so you'd have
to change some code in sendmail to make it work. The Tops-20 mailer uses
the unified JFN interface, so all you have to do is open the connection
and away you go, more or less.
Be aware of the following: my testing is extremely unlikely to crash
anything.? Unless it does.? It could also leave some crud around from
broken connections.? So, you might have some scrubbing to do; that's not
a problem is it?
Once I fix the MMAILR crash, I'll contact you about Mail-11.? I'm fine
being a purist about the matter.
On 4/22/20 11:12 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2020-04-23 04:49, Thomas DeBellis wrote:
I've had my fill of FAL and DAP for the
moment and have turned to
some other things as sort of a 'break'.? The Tops-10 NFT client
breaks on certain file names that the 20 sends it, so there is going
to be some debugging to track that down.? Fortunately, a very patient
person gave me PPN on one of their 10's.
Right now, I'm working on bringing the Tops-20 mail system a bit more
up to date with respect to DECnet communications.? These were largely
put aside when full Internet connectivity happened. Still, the PANDA
distribution has some bit rot because I know that certain Columbia
changes for DECnet (to support CCnet) are not there.? I can't imagine
that we didn't send them to MRC; that would have been unthinkable.
Fortunately, I was able to remember enough to put some of them back
so that I got SMTP over DECnet working well, again.? It had been
suffering from about two minute timing delays and now it's
instantaneous between 20's, like I remember.?? Oddly enough, I don't
remember what else ran SMTP over DECnet; I'm certain that RSX and VMS
could have done it.? I think some VMS site might have.
However, most non-SMTP DECnet hosts on CCnet were running Mail-11,
which the 20 also groks.? In fact, it can convert Mail-11 addresses
to SMTP and route over other transports such as PUP, Chaos and TCP/IP
as well as DECnet.? We did a lot of mail routing for CCnet to the
Internet on CU20B, back in the day.
Unfortunately, there is some bit rot in some of the Tops-20 Mail-11
code, so I've got some tinkering to do.? Does anyone have a VMS or
RSX system that they'd care to give me a guest account on?? It
doesn't need any special capabilities; I'm just going to be sending
mail and looking a few raw headers over.
Just log in to Mim.Update.UU.SE (MIM::). There is a guest account,
with password guest. That should do it, I think.
With that said, RSX definitely do not speak SMTP over DECnet. And we
should also actually go into some detail about how to speak MAIL-11.
Even VMS cheats...
? Johnny