Thomas,
If I recall correctly it is Anf10 related and has it's own runtime and Chk11 for
initial testing of hardware. Thus it had to fit in 28 kW; no relations to Rsx11 or even
RT11. The code pieces then should be *.P11 etc.
Reindert
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From: Thomas DeBellis [mailto:tommytimesharing@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 31 January, 2022 21:22
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Subject: [HECnet] Re: native Dup sync line revisited --> revisited Dup test on pdp11
--> problem solved: Simh KG11 emulation probably defective
Then we are probably talking apples and pineapples.
The product that I'm talking about is exclusively for the 36 bit line, requiring a DTE
to get the data to the PDP-10. I think it also needed a KMC to do some offloading, so the
11/34 could keep up, but I wouldn't swear to it. There's code for a KMC, anyway.
The software appears to be a complete embedded design: there are no users, no file system,
minimum memory management and no task preemption. Thus, I don't believe it has any
code basis in either RSX or RSTS. I wouldn't be surprised if part of it got lifted
from RT-11, but I don't have an informed opinion on that.
The DN60/DN65 spoke 2780, 3780 and HASP. The first two are remote job entry (RJE)
'workstations' that had card readers and line printers (no terminals). HASP is a
variant that IBM did not develop, yet adopted. I believe it was wizzy because it allowed
multiple concurrent streams. The job of IBMSPL was to fool the remote IBM host that a card
deck was being submitted by a timesharing user and to take the resulting print output and
to get it to wherever the right place was (printer, file, etc.)
I don't recall a 3271, I guess you mean those green screen terminals? What a beast...
I do recall using 3270, 3276 and the like when I was hacking the bisync drivers on VM to
talk to IBMSPL. There was a product that you could run on Tops-20 to show up as a 3270 on
an IBM box, provided the target spoke TCP/IP. I can't remember the name, but it was
based on TELNET negotiating some additional options. It's a lot of work; a 3270 is
not like anything you ever heard of in ÅSCII land.
A number of us swore that IBMSPL was the only reasonable way to use an IBM mainframe as
the 3270 was a half-duplex terminal that was all to ready to lock the keyboard if you even
thought of typing ahead. The more modern emulators don't lock like that, but you are
still effectively in a late 1960's half duplex paradigm. Still. Today. Really.
On 1/31/22 3:00 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
What I mentioned is one or several PDP-11 products,
available for RSTS and I believe RSX. There definitely is an "RJ2780 emulator"
-- the official name may not be quite that. And I think there was also a 3271 emulator,
though I'm not sure if that existed on RSTS.
I have no idea what these things do, since 2780 is something I've never used. Some
sort of remote job entry station? Anyway, it is the only RSTS software that uses a KG11.
DECnet doesn't because on RSTS DECnet only supported devices with hardware CRC: DMC
and friends and later Ethernet. I did an unsupported software DDCMP, but that does CRC in
software (8 bits at a time, the classic table driven fast software implementation). That
probably outruns a KG11 and in any case I never had access to that hardware.
paul
On Jan 31, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Thomas DeBellis
<tommytimesharing(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I wanted to make sure I wasn't getting lost; are you referring to the PDP-11 software
that forms part of the Galaxy IBM workstation product? It's called DN60/DN65 and also
does 3780 and HASP. Is this what you're referring to?
On 1/31/22 2:48 PM, Peter Allan wrote:
Paul Koning wrote ...
Correct, I was not aware it's possible to use
it. The only software I have seen that uses the KG11 is 2780 emulation.
I am very
interested in getting 2780 emulation for a PDP-11.
Paul, or anyone else, do you know where I can get it?
Cheers
Peter Allan
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