6 Jun
2019
6 Jun
'19
10:41 p.m.
So, the missing piece is probably my understanding of how multinet mail
works. This is all multinet magic.
For inbound mail, yes, I have to have an MX record for
Larry.frugalcomputing.com and Moe.frugalcomputing.com.
Multinet on Larry is aware of MOE and is routing the email back to my user
on Moe.
Kurt
On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 4:31 PM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
But does moe.frugalcomputing.com exist? Larry is the
machine that is
expected to handle mail, so how would this even end up on Lerry? Do you
have larry setup as the MX for moe then? And obviously any other machine
on hecnet would not be possible to reach, as you cannot have every
hecnet node visible as their own host under frugalcomputing.com. Also,
how does larry know that mails from moe on DECnet should be rewritten as
user at moe.frugalcomputing.com? There is no obvious relationship between
MOE:: and moe.frugalcomputing.com. And even if there were, the next step
of rewriting a mail from MOE::KURT to kurt at moe.frugalcomputing.com is
potentially wrong as well. How would larry know that
moe.frugalcomputing.com exists, and is a valid name for talking smtp to?
And that it would end up on larry? Again, assuming you then have an MX
record for moe.frugalcomputing.com that points to larry.
There seems to be a bunch of information missing, or a whole bunch of
hardcoded assumptions in there somewhere...
Johnny
On 2019-06-06 22:19, Kurt Hamm wrote:
> It works great. I can email from the
VAX to a GMAIL account and
> On 2019-06-06 15:04, Kurt Hamm wrote:
> > I wasn't sure where to post this question, so I
thought I
> When I send email from Moe (to
LARRY::SMTP%"user at domain.com <mailto:user at domain.com>
<mailto:user at domain.com <mailto:user at domain.com>>
> However, you can always send from Moe to MIM::user at domain.com
<mailto:MIM%3A%3Auser at domain.com>
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The format that I found in the Multinet Docs
suggested this (for my
setup): larry::SMTP%"kurt at hamm.me <mailto:kurt at hamm.me>"
This routes the email through Larry which is configured for SMTP mail.
Larry takes the mail and sends it out. When I get the email on the
outside, the from address is: kurt at moe.frugalcomputing.com
<mailto:kurt at moe.frugalcomputing.com>. my user on Moe is kurt, the
domain name I am using for this is frugalcomputing.com
<http://frugalcomputing.com>.
When I reply to this email from the outside, Multinet on Larry
translates the email address to send to kurt on decnet node Moe.
Works like a champ. The only sticking point is that you basically have
to have an open internet mail relay for the VAX to talk to. I reduced
some of that risk by only allowing a small subnet on the internet to
talk to that open relay.
Kurt
On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 4:11 PM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
Let me rephrase my question.
When you send to a gmail address, what does the "from" address look
like, if you sent it from a machine that had to pass through another
DECnet mail relay before being delivered to gmail.
Last I tried, gmail do not accept a mail where the from-address looks
like node::name at foo.bar, not even if the node::name is within
quotes.
Anyway, for the second part of your explanation - that sounds like it
would then not accept to arbitrary nodes on hecnet, but only your
specific machine?
MIM works as a general SMTP-MAIL11 gateway. Anyone on the outside can
send mail to node::name at mim.update.uu.se
<mailto:node%3A%3Aname at mim.update.uu.se>, and the mail will be
forwarded. And anyone on HECnet can send mail to mim::user at domain,
and
it will get forwarded. Works for anyone on
HECnet. However, as I
said,
it does not work towards gmail, because of
what gmail does.
Johnny
On 2019-06-06 21:20, Kurt Hamm wrote:
routing
I misspoke when I said gmail. It ultimately gets
to a gmail
account,
but not directly.
I configured my postfix mail on my external server to trust the
VAX IP
Address, so it doesn't ask for
authentication.
Then configured Multinet as described here:
$MULTINET CONFIGURE/MAIL
MAIL-CONFIG>SET FORWARDER name-of-forwarder
MAIL-CONFIG>SET FORWARD-REMOTE-MAIL TRUE
MAIL-CONFIG>EXIT
$@MULTINET:START_SMTP
name-of-forwarder=external mail server IP address.
That takes care of outbound mail.
For inbound mail, I created a mail routing rule to route all
email from
a specific domain to the VAX SMTP port. The VAX
looks for a
valid user
and delivers the mail. It discards anything
else.
Kurt
On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 3:14 PM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at
softjar.se>>> wrote:
Hum. You get it working with gmail??? That is surprising. I
noticed
several years ago that gmail do not accept
mails with a from
address in
the form
"foo::bar"@mim.update.uu.se
<http://mim.update.uu.se>
<http://mim.update.uu.se>, even
> though it actually should
> accept it.
>
> How does multinet rewrite the from address then?
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2019-06-06 21:04, Kurt Hamm wrote:
> > I got it working. I setup Multinet to route all outbound
> external mail
> > to one of my external mail domains. Then I setup mail > for any
> > email to that domain to be forwarded to the Vax for
delivery.
then
> reply back.
> Kurt
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:53 PM
Johnny Billquist
<bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt
at softjar.se>>
> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>>> wrote:
would
> start here.
> > > I have two
simh vax3900 machines. Larry and Moe.
Larry
is the
> HECNet
> > router for Moe.
> > > When I send
email from Larry (via SMTP), the
_return _email
> address is
> > correct (SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at
LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM>
<mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM>>
> <mailto:SYSTEM at
LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM>
<mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM>>>
<mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM> <mailto:SYSTEM at
LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM>>
> <mailto:SYSTEM at
LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM>
<mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at LARRY.MYDOMAIN.COM>>>>.
> <mailto:user at domain.com
<mailto:user at domain.com>
<mailto:user at domain.com <mailto:user
at domain.com>>>
> > <mailto:user at domain.com
<mailto:user at domain.com>
<mailto:user at domain.com <mailto:user
at domain.com>>
<mailto:user at domain.com <mailto:user
at domain.com>
<mailto:user at domain.com <mailto:user at
domain.com>>>>"), the return
> email address is:
> > SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at
SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM>
<mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM>>
> <mailto:SYSTEM at
SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM>
<mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM>>>
> <mailto:SYSTEM at
SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM>
<mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM>>
> <mailto:SYSTEM at
SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM>
<mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM
<mailto:SYSTEM at SCSSYSTEMID.MYDOMAIN.COM>>>>.
>
> > Why is Moe using the SCSSYSTEMID instead of the
system name?
>
> > *I am missing something.*
> I'm not sure how you
should do a setup of mail
relaying in VMS.
<mailto:MIM%3A%3Auser at domain.com
<mailto:MIM%253A%253Auser at domain.com>>
> <mailto:MIM%3A%3Auser at
domain.com
<mailto:MIM%253A%253Auser at domain.com>
<mailto:MIM%253A%253Auser at domain.com
<mailto:MIM%25253A%25253Auser at domain.com>>>. Those
> mails should then get correct
addresses.
> Johnny
> --
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> || on a
psychedelic trip
> email: bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at
softjar.se>>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt
at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at
softjar.se>>> ||
> Reading murder books
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay
hip" -
B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>
<mailto:bqt
at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> ||
Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" -
B.
Idol