No idea where a 1502 might come from. Some weird Linux internal stuff.
There got to be some place in the Linux or (maybe more probably) the
DECnet/Linux code where an additional two bytes are thrown in there,
totally without reason.
Setting the interface MTU to 576 will hurt your TCP/IP performance, by
the way. So it's nothing I would really recommend.
Johnny
On 2018-01-26 22:45, Erik Olofsen wrote:
Ok; I wondered why it seems to have received 1502 from
dev->mtu...
Do you know about the extra length field which may or may not be present,
in packets or the DECnet specs?
On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 10:40:20PM +0100, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> The packet size announced by MIM is because I configured it that way.
>
> .ncp sho sys cha
>
> System characteristics as of 26-JAN-18 22:38:01
>
> Maximum control buffers = 50, Maximum small buffers = 15
> Maximum large buffers = 40, Large buffer size = 1500
> Minimum receive buffers = 25
>
> 576 is otherwise the default packet size that DECnet uses in most places,
> but you can change as you wish.
>
> And, with that said, MIM will still send you 576 byte packets, because that
> is actually controlled by a different parameter.
>
> From NCP SHO EXEC CHA
> .
> .
> Segment buffer size = 576
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2018-01-26 21:52, Erik Olofsen wrote:
>> Thank you all for your support!
>>
>> So here are some more detailed notes to get DECnet for Linux working with a
>> recent longterm kernel, 4.9.77. How stable it remains to be seen...
>>
>> Changes to sources of other kernels are likely to be similar. But because of
>> many API changes, there are many differences between decnet module sources
>> with different kernel versions, so patch files are not too useful. However,
>> just a few small edits are needed.
>>
>> The patches below were tested with Slackware 14.1 (which doesn't use
systemd),
>> where it is relatively easy to build a custom kernel. Also, decnet startup
>> was done by hand rather than using a script:
>>
>> # ifconfig eth0 mtu 576 # see below
>> # modprobe decnet
>> # echo -n area.node > /proc/sys/net/decnet/node_address
>> # dnetd
>> # phoned
>>
>> [Kernel 4.14.15 gives BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference
>> which seems to be related to xfrm_lookup(). A kernel warning about dst.h:256
>> can be avoided by using dst_use_noref() instead of dst_use() at two places.]
>>
>>
>> --- MTU ---
>>
>> It seems the decnet module can generate packets which are one byte larger than
>> intended. This can be fixed (?) in af_decnet.c:dn_mss_from_pmtu() by adding
>> one line:
>>
>> */
>> mtu -= (21 + DN_MAX_NSP_DATA_HEADER + 16);
>> }
>> + mtu--; /* probably due to padding */
>> if (mtu > mss)
>> mss = mtu;
>> return mss;
>>
>>
>> The dneigh utility gives
>>
>> Node HWtype HWaddress Flags MTU Iface
>> rullfl loop AA:00:04:00:04:70 --- 65533 lo
>> rullfs ether AA:00:04:00:29:70 -2- 1498 eth0
>> gorvax ether AA:00:04:00:90:21 -2- 1498 eth0
>> pdxvax ether AA:00:04:00:98:F2 -2- 1498 eth0
>> dimma ether AA:00:04:00:0B:EC -2- 576 eth0
>> jocke ether AA:00:04:00:15:04 -2- 576 eth0
>> mim ether AA:00:04:00:0D:04 -2- 1500 eth0
>> hub ether AA:00:04:00:FE:AB -2- 576 eth0
>> bitxoz ether AA:00:04:00:51:1C 1-- 1492 eth0
>> skhngw ether AA:00:04:00:04:38 -2- 576 eth0
>> a44rtr ether AA:00:04:00:FF:B3 -2- 1498 eth0
>>
>> where it is interesting to see values of 576, but also a value of 1500 for MIM
>> (but communication with MIM works well).
>>
>> MTUs or blksizes are computed in dn_neigh.c, accompanied by the remark:
>>
>> /*
>> * Make an estimate of the remote block size by assuming that its
>> * two less then the device mtu, which it true for ethernet (and
>> * other things which support long format headers) since there is
>> * an extra length field (of 16 bits) which isn't part of the
>> * ethernet headers and which the DECnet specs won't admit is part
>> * of the DECnet routing headers either.
>> *
>> * If we over estimate here its no big deal, the NSP negotiations
>> * will prevent us from sending packets which are too large for the
>> * remote node to handle. In any case this figure is normally updated
>> * by a hello message in most cases.
>> */
>> dn->blksize = dev->mtu - 2;
>>
>> The above mtu--; seems sufficient, and subtracting an additional two not
necessary.
>>
>> For HECnet, it seems best to set the MTU to 576, to be able to reach nodes in
>> different areas. This can be done with ifconfig.
>>
>> Optionally in sysctl_net_decnet.c a /proc/sys/net/decnet/mtu entry could be added
with:
>>
>> .maxlen = sizeof(int),
>> .mode = 0644,
>> .proc_handler = proc_dointvec,
>> + },
>> + {
>> + .procname = "mtu",
>> + .data = &decnet_mtu,
>> + .maxlen = sizeof(int),
>> + .mode = 0644,
>> + .proc_handler = proc_dointvec,
>> },
>> { }
>> };
>>
>> where decnet_mtu needs to be declared in this source file, and in
linux/net/include/dn.h
>> as:
>>
>> extern int decnet_mtu;
>>
>> which could be used at various places instead of dst_mtu(). [But perhaps the
>> blksize can be requested from the remote host.]
>>
>>
>> --- "No buffer space available" message by a dnprogs utility ---
>>
>> At some point in time, sock_alloc_send_skb() changed, causing a problem in
>> af_decnet.c:dn_alloc_send_pskb(), which can be fixed by adding the second
"+"
>> line (the first one seems common practice, but may be unnecessary):
>>
>> if (skb) {
>> skb->protocol = htons(ETH_P_DNA_RT);
>> skb->pkt_type = PACKET_OUTGOING;
>> + skb->sk = sk;
>> + *errcode = 0;
>> }
>> return skb;
>> }
>>
>>
>> --- "Destroying alive neighbour" kernel message ---
>>
>> This issue could be related by dneigh entries that are neither local nor
routers.
>>
>> The following two changes seem to help (based on comparing various sources):
>>
>> The check of __refcnt in dn_route.c:dn_dst_check_expire():
>>
>> spin_lock(&dn_rt_hash_table[i].lock);
>> while ((rt = rcu_dereference_protected(*rtp,
>>
lockdep_is_held(&dn_rt_hash_table[i].lock))) != NULL) {
>> - if (atomic_read(&rt->dst.__refcnt) ||
>> + if (atomic_read(&rt->dst.__refcnt) > 1 ||
>> (now - rt->dst.lastuse) < expire)
{
>> rtp = &rt->dst.dn_next;
>> continue;
>>
>> And the setting of initial_ref in dn_route.c:dn_route_output_slow():
>>
>> if (dev_out->flags & IFF_LOOPBACK)
>> flags |= RTCF_LOCAL;
>> - rt = dst_alloc(&dn_dst_ops, dev_out, 0, DST_OBSOLETE_NONE,
DST_HOST);
>> + rt = dst_alloc(&dn_dst_ops, dev_out, 1, DST_OBSOLETE_NONE,
DST_HOST);
>> if (rt == NULL)
>> goto e_nobufs;
>>
>>
>> --- "WARNING: CPU: 0 PID: nnn at include/net/dst.h:188" kernel message
---
>>
>> This seems to be benign, and can be avoided by the following two changes
>> in dn_route.c, in void dn_dst_update_pmtu() and dn_rt_set_next_hop():
>>
>> - if (dst_metric(dst, RTAX_MTU) > mtu && mtu >= min_mtu) {
>> + if (dst_metric_raw(dst, RTAX_MTU) > mtu && mtu >= min_mtu)
{
>>
>> - if (dst_metric(&rt->dst, RTAX_MTU) > rt->dst.dev->mtu)
>> + if (dst_metric_raw(&rt->dst, RTAX_MTU) >
rt->dst.dev->mtu)
>>
>>
>> --- Kernel segfault with ctermd (login from remote node) ---
>>
>> dnprogs 2.65 were used for testing. The segfault happens with
>> ctermd.c:cterm_reset(), where variable line is used, even though
>> it is not assigned when DNETUSE_DEVPTS is defined. So this #ifndef
>> around the code using line helps:
>>
>> #ifndef DNETUSE_DEVPTS
>> p=line+sizeof("/dev/")-1;
>>
>> setutent();
>> memcpy(entry.ut_line,p,strlen(p));
>> entry.ut_line[strlen(p)]='\0';
>> lentry=getutline(&entry);
>> lentry->ut_type=DEAD_PROCESS;
>>
>> memset(lentry->ut_line,0,UT_LINESIZE);
>> memset(lentry->ut_user,0,UT_NAMESIZE);
>> lentry->ut_time=0;
>> pututline(lentry);
>>
>> (void)chmod(line,0666);
>> (void)chown(line,0,0);
>> *p='p';
>> (void)chmod(line,0666);
>> (void)chown(line,0,0);
>> #endif
>>
>>
>> --- Using local node with dnprogs crashes the machine ---
>>
>> This has not been solved.
>>
>
>
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