29 Nov
2010
29 Nov
'10
12:26 p.m.
On 11/29/10 11:07, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
That's a difference between alpha and vax vms, on alpha physical_pages is not
required.
I can't remember. Is there some other parameter that do the same thing on the Alpha,
or will it dynamically detect and manage this on boot?
About 7.3-1, yes that is obviously a type since there is no such vms version for neither
vax nor ia64.
Thanks. I was wondering if I had missed something.
The last vaxes, the 7000 and 10000 series supported 4 GB physical memory. I wasn't
aware of more than 32 address bits in the hardware.
Well, earlier VAXen only support 30 physical address bits. The NVAX supports either 30 or
34 physical address bits (software selectable which mode it should operate in). How many
address pins actually were brought out from the CPU chip, as well as out from the CPU
card, I don't know, which is why I said "in theory".
It might be that the 7000 and 10000 only supported a max of 4 GB, but that would be a
restriction of the physical design in that case. The extension of the VAX MMU done for the
NVAX brought the size of an address up to 34 bits.
Johnny
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From: Sampsa Laine<sampsa at mac.com>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:45:13
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Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] SIMH VAX memory weirdness
I wrote 7.3-1, out of some weird muscle memory I think. As for AUTOGEN, I recently upgrade
CHIMPY from 256 MB to 1 GB and it just recognized the RAM automagically? Am I missing
something?
On the VAX it required changing the SYSGEN PHYSICALPAGES parameter.
Gregg: I'm running the emulator on a Dell laptop, Core 2 Duo processory, Ubuntu
Desktop + Oracle VirtualBox + Ubuntu Server. As for the Alpha emu, it's not exactly
scarce: you can just google for PersonalAlpha and get a Windows version that's kinda
restricted but functional.
Sampsa
On 29 Nov 2010, at 09:14, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Well, I didn't write 7.3-1, I asked if it really was correct that Sampsa was using it,
as I believe 7.3 was the last release for VAX. :-)
And I said "in theory", since I'm not sure any existing VAX ever brought out
all 34 address bits, but there are really 34 physical address bits in the VAX extended
addressing mode. Check the spec.
The address field in a PTE can be either 21 bits (traditional) or 25 bits (extended). Add
to that, the address within the page (9 bits), and you'll end up with either 30 bits,
or 34 bits of physical addresses.
32 bit physical addresses have never existed on a VAX.
Johnny
On 2010-11-29 07:07, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Umm Johnny it must have been late when you wrote this..
The last release for VAX was 7.3. Anything later is alpha or ia64. 7.3-1 was only released
for alpha.
The address space for VAX is 32 bits, no page bits. And 2**32 is 4G. Where did you find 16
GB?
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] SIMH VAX memory weirdness
Verzonden: 29 november 2010 02:03
On 2010-11-28 21:20, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I just increased the memory on one of my SIMH VAX VM's to 512 MB from 64 MB - the
system boots fine but SHOW MEMORY (under OpenVMS 7.3-1) still reports 64 MB.
Do I need to tell the VMS installation about the new RAM somehow? How much RAM does 7.3-1
(VAX) support anyway?
7.3-1 ??? I thought the last version of VMS for VAXen was 7.3
As for memory, VMS (on VAX) supports up to (in theory atleast) 16G of
physical memory. However, that requires the extended memory mode PTEs,
which only came with NVAX, so no luck with simh.
The "older" layout supports a max of 1G, but I think all architectures
machines split that into 512M of RAM and 512M for I/O space.
Oh, and when you add memory, you need to run an AUTOGEN afterwards, to
change a bunch of parameters to the new hardware config (whould be
obvious ;-) ).
Johnny
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