[HECnet] Decnet on RSX-11

On Jun 8, 2019, at 2:12 PM, Kurt Hamm <kurt at hamm.me> wrote: Well, I think it is done. I can set host to the pdp-11 from my local vax3900. The pdp-11 doesn't seem to know the other nodes. I also can't get a shared directory (dir aldur::). I will keep reading. Kurt > On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 12:35 PM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: > Mark... > > On 2019-06-08 18:25, Mark Matlock wrote: > > Kurt, > > You are getting close. You have a -26. (File not found) Error on the file LB:{5,54]IP.STB > > Indeed. > > > The IPGEN process should copy three files IP.STB IP.TSK and IP.TSK into LB:[5,54] but > > Since they are not there, you can copy them from [IPNET] to [5,54] > > They are only copied if you answer YES to the related question when > running IPGEN. > > There are actually a couple of more files installed. I can't remember > now if any might be optional, but anyway: > > PIP [5,54]/NV=[IPNET]*.DAT,IP.TSK,IP.STB > PIP [5,24]/NV=[IPNET]IP.OBJ > LBR [130,10]NETLIB.MLB/RP=[IPNET]IPDF.MAC > > You should then run the NETGEN procedure after these files have been > copied, and then NETGEN should run fine, and then you run > [IPNET]IPNEY.CMD after NETGEN have completed. Then you can try starting > DECnet, and once DECnet is started, you can try bringing up the DECnet > over IP lines. > > Johnny > > > > > Best, > > Mark > > > > > >> On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:04 AM, Kurt Hamm <kurt at hamm.me> wrote: > >> > >> Well, this was really good information. Mark, the walk-through was extremely helpful. I feel like I am almost there. > >> > >> There is something I am missing related to the final step. I added this line to the end of startup.cmd: @LB:[IPNET]INS.CMD. Not sure if that is the correct way to call that CMD file. > >> > >> I am not exactly sure about the content changes especially the ports: > >> MNC SET CIR IP-0-0 TCA HOST 192.168.1.49:7705 PORT 0 > >> NCP SET CIR IP-0-0 STA ON > >> > >> When I run [ipnet]ins.cmd: > >>> @LB:[IPNET]INS.CMD > >>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCOM/UIC=[1,54]/PRO=[RW,RW,,] > >>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTNET > >>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCFG > >>> NCP SET PROC IP TOP > >> NTL -- IP Symbol Table File -- Open Failure (-26.) > >> NTL -- LB:[5,54]IP.STB > >> NCP -- Set failed, operation failure > >> Network Loader function failed > >>> NCP SET LIN IP-0-* ALL > >> NTL -- IP Symbol Table File -- Open Failure (-26.) > >> NTL -- LB:[5,54]IP.STB > >> NCP -- Line IP-0-0, Set failed, operation failure > >> Network Loader function failed > >> NTL -- IP Symbol Table File -- Open Failure (-26.) > >> NTL -- LB:[5,54]IP.STB > >> NCP -- Line IP-0-1, Set failed, operation failure > >> Network Loader function failed > >>> MNC SHO VER > >> Initialize common > >> NT.IP not loaded. Please load before running this tool. > >>> MNC SET CIR IP-0-0 TCA HOST 192.168.1.49:7705 PORT 0 > >> Initialize common > >> NT.IP not loaded. Please load before running this tool. > >>> NCP SET CIR IP-0-0 STA ON > >> NCP -- Set failed, component in wrong state, Line > >>> @ <EOF> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 8:34 AM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: > >> In addition to the information and transcript Mark provided, do not > >> forget to run the post-processing script from IPNET after completing the > >> NETGEN procedure. It will modify the DECnet configuration somewhat to > >> more correctly handle the IP lines. > >> > >> And no, Kurt is not connecting directly to Mim, but possibly just > >> between his own machines, and otherwise being hooked up to area 31. > >> > >> Johnny > >> > >> On 2019-06-08 14:13, Mark Matlock wrote: > >>> Kurt, > >>> As Johnny says you should read chapter 10 of [IP]README.DOC and run a NETGEN to add the IP HECnet device. I?ve attached a walk-through of a NETGEN that can help guide you but you should understand the information in chapter 10. > >>> > >>> You should have a unique DECnet node address for your system (from Johnny) to use instead of the one I supplied in the walk-through. > >>> > >>> Later when bringing up IP-0-0 in the [IPNET]INS.CMD I think you need a port # for attachment to MIM if that is where you are connecting to? > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 6:36 AM, Kurt Hamm <kurt at hamm.me> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thanks Johnny and thanks Mark. For some reason I thought that this was already done since IP was working. > >>>> > >>>> This is just what I needed to know to finish this thing off. I really appreciate the assistance. > >>>> > >>>> Kurt > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 5:32 AM Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: > >>>> Kurt, Mark is absolutely right. > >>>> > >>>> You do not have the IP line driver generated into DECnet. > >>>> > >>>> This is what I suspect quite a few mails back between us, and tried to > >>>> point out. > >>>> > >>>> And do not try to just edit CEMAC.MAC to add those lines Mark mention. > >>>> That will not work. You need to run through the DECnet generation > >>>> process, and then the IPNET postprocessing step. It's all in the TCP/IP > >>>> manual, if you read it. > >>>> > >>>> Johnny > >>>> > >>>> On 2019-06-08 05:58, Mark Matlock wrote: > >>>>> Kurt, > >>>>> I think you need to have the ?IP" network device NETGENed into DECnet. > >>>>> > >>>>> The fact that you first error occurs at the NCP SET PROC IP TOP makes me think that DECnet does not have a driver for the IP device loaded. When I made the ?Frodo? distribution available, I did a new SYSGEN for an 11/70 and also a NETGEN. In the NETGEN for the Unibus system a ?UNA? was the ethernet device and on a Qbus system (the actual Frodo 30.1) a QNA device is used. > >>>>> > >>>>> It would be helpful if you typed out LB:[5,54]CETAB.MAC as it could confirm if the IP device has been NETGENed in or not. In CETAB.MAC the 3rd actual line of code should look like: > >>>>> > >>>>> PDV$DF <AUX,EVL,ECL,XPT,NCT,RTH,LAT,DLX>,<EPM>,<UNA,IP> > >>>>> > >>>>> Three lines below that should be: > >>>>> > >>>>> SLT$DF IP,IP,XPT,LF.TIM,0,0,,0.,0.,15. > >>>>> > >>>>> It?s been a while since I added the IP-0-0 LIN and Circuits to my system, but I try to do that to one of my PiDP-11s and post the walk through for it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Below I?ve put some information of the sequence of startup command files that may help you understand the files involved. > >>>>> > >>>>> In the LB:[1,2]STARTUP.CMD of the Frodo distribution RSX and DECnet are started as is normal for any RSX. It then chains to LB:[1,2]INSPROG.CMD which brings up the DU1: disk that you either download from RSX11M.COM or the Simh boot.ini will make a blank one. > >>>>> > >>>>> At the end of the INSPROG.CMD two questions are asked with timeouts. The first will load LAT and the second loads Johnny?s TCP/IP. It loads the TCP/IP by chaining to LB:[IP]IPINS.CMD which will load TCP/IP and either DHCP an IP address or set a static IP address. At the end of that file then LB:[IP]IPAPPL.CMD is executed which sets up FTP, TELNET, NTP and other applications. > >>>>> > >>>>> Now, in the Frodo distribution IPAPPL.CMD, there is a line that was either commented or deleted that chains to LB:[IPNET]INSHECNET.CMD which is used to link the actual node Frodo (HECnet 30.1) to MIM > >>>>> > >>>>> Your [IPNET]INS.CMD looks identical to the INSHECNET.CMD on Frodo including the host port # which may be something we need to change? > >>>>> > >>>>> Do you have a HECnet address from Johnny? Also, where are you planning to connect to HECnet? > >>>>> > >>>>> There is a [IPNET]INS.NEW which is the template that Johnny provides and it does not have a port specified on MIM. I don?t remember the exact mechanics on MIM That accepts connections but that may be a function of that port # Frodo connects to MIM on IP-0-10 but that is not specified on Frodo but on MIM. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> Mark > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 9:35 PM, Kurt Hamm <kurt at hamm.me> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So, I added this command to the startup.cmd: @LB:[IPNET]INS.CMD. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I didn't modify the file yet. I wanted to see what it would do > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The result after rebooting was this: > >>>>>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCOM/UIC=[1,54]/PRO=[RW,RW,,] > >>>>>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTNET > >>>>>>> INS LB:[IPNET]MLTCFG > >>>>>>> NCP SET PROC IP TOP > >>>>>> NCP -- Set failed, unrecognized component, Process > >>>>>>> NCP SET LIN IP-0-* ALL > >>>>>> NCP -- Set failed, invalid identification format, Line > >>>>>>> MNC SHO VER > >>>>>> Initialize common > >>>>>> NT.IP not found. Exiting... > >>>>>>> MNC SET CIR IP-0-0 TCA HOST MIM.UPDATE.UU.SE:7705 PORT 0 > >>>>>> Initialize common > >>>>>> NT.IP not found. Exiting... > >>>>>>> NCP SET CIR IP-0-0 STA ON > >>>>>> NCP -- Set failed, invalid identification format, Circuit > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There are lots of errors, so I am not sure where to start. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Any advice would be appreciated. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kurt > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus > >>>> || on a psychedelic trip > >>>> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books > >>>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus > >> || on a psychedelic trip > >> email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books > >> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol > > > > -- > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus > || on a psychedelic trip > email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol