[HECnet] Task Buillder question

On Apr 12, 2021, at 15:49, Steve Davidson <steve at davidson.net> wrote: ?Addressing is clearly only part of it. Macros will have you be created to account for any system dependencies. This could be a fun project for someone who has some extra time. -Steve Davidson SF:iP1 > On Apr 12, 2021, at 14:59, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: > > ?That won't help. It's not about addressing. It's about the actual format of the output file. > > Johnny > >>> On 2021-04-12 20:35, Steve Davidson wrote: >> Or... >> Convert the absolute memory references to relative and build on RSX. >> -Steve Davidson >> SF:iP1 >>>> On Apr 12, 2021, at 14:29, Steve Davidson <steve at davidson.net> wrote: >>> >>> ?Bob, >>> >>> This was built with paper-tape-11 aka PTS or paper tape system. Use either RT-11 or DOS/BATCH-11 to build it. >>> >>> -Steve Davidson >>> >>> SF:iP1 >>> >>>> On Apr 12, 2021, at 14:04, Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Ok, so you don't need overlays or any of that funny stuff. Are there any macros in there? You could just use the paper tape tools (pal11 and link11) to do the job. Or the assembler and linker in DOS-11. >>>> >>>> Alternatively, there's an assembler and linker that runs on Linux, I forgot who wrote it, it was mentioned not too long ago. >>>> >>>> In any case, this would be a trivial link, so converting the resulting executable image file to an equivalent LDA file would be easy enough. >>>> >>>> paul >>>> >>>>>> On Apr 12, 2021, at 1:54 PM, Robert Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the suggestions, guys, but I don't think that'll help. >>>>> >>>>> What I want to do is to rebuild (after making some changes) Joe Lang's copy of DEC's paper tape BASIC-11 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp11/papertapeimages/DEC-11-LPTBA-B-PB_d… >>>>> >>>>> There are three MACRO-11 source files that have to be separately assembled and then linked into an absolute memory image. >>>>> >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Paul Koning >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 10:43 AM >>>>> To: hecnet at update.uu.se >>>>> Subject: Re: [HECnet] Task Buillder question >>>>> >>>>> I don't remember the format of a task file, but object files in RSX and RT11 are nearly identical. The difference is that the RT11 ones are "formatted binary", the same structure as abs loader data, where records start with a byte of 1 followed by a byte of 0, then load address and length (or the other way around). RSX uses RMS variable length records instead, so you get a record containing a load address and data, but the length is handled by RMS. The conversion between the two is pretty trivial. >>>>> >>>>> PIP on RSTS can do this, for example RSX to RT11 would be "pip foo.lda/fb=foo.obj". >>>>> >>>>> I have somewhere a Python script that turns an a.out format executable (from the GNU linker) into an abs loader file. Converting that to handle task files is likely to be pretty easy. >>>>> >>>>> paul >>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2021, at 1:15 PM, Steve Davidson <steve at davidson.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> RT emulation under RSTS should work as well. If I can find some time I can fix my router and give you an account on PLUTO:: if that helps. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> SF:IP2 >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2021, at 13:12, Robert Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> Thanks ? I don?t have RT11 at the moment; I have the RSX AME on VMS. I guess I could set up RT11 on some simh, but I was looking for a shortcut. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Steve Davidson >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 10:04 AM >>>>>>> To: hecnet at update.uu.se >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [HECnet] Task Buillder question >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are looking for LDA format. TKB might be able to do it but LINK (RT-11) certainly can. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> SF:IP2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2021, at 12:57, Robert Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> Ok, this is a bit of an off the wall question, but ? can Task Builder (aka TKB) build paper tape images in absolute loader format? Can anybody clue me in as to the magic switch(es) to do this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> >>>> > > -- > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus > || on a psychedelic trip > email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol