Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 06/10/2014 06:57 PM, Lee Gleason wrote:
and external drive options; however, I don;t use them because those
Maxtor
XT2190s (RD54s) are so damn loud. I have V6.something on both which I
setup
I recently rescued 3 2000s from recycling, and couldn't stand how loud
the RD54s were, especially when all 3 were running. I did some research
and finally got them all running the Mueller patches to support SCSI
drives. Lots quieter now - I can have them all on and still be able to
listen to music.
Heh...don't knock those RD54s. Several years ago, when I was still
starving in the "zero-work zone" (SW Florida) someone *gave* me about
twenty of those drives. Selling all but three of them on eBay paid my
mortgage for almost a year!
Had I known then what they'd be worth today, I'd have stockpiled thousands.
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Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Has the startup actually completed? The STARTUP process must complete and
exit before the DECWindows server can take control.
It gave the normal disk usage and time prompt, so I believe so.
...How the hell do I send VMSBACKUP files via ftp? ASCII and BINARY both
corrupt it.
what was the blocking on the backup? FTP it binary and then use SET FILE
/ATTRIBUTES to correct the VMS file attributes. OR... $ ZIP "-V" on VMS
and send the ZIP file. The "-V" (UPPERCASE V so it must be quoted) will
preserve the VMS file attributes.
8192. Looks like SET FILE/ATTRIB=LRL:8192 EWS012.A allowed BACKUP/LIST
EWS012.A/SAVE to succeed.
VMS DUMP the first block. You should see the BACKUP command in the ASCII
translation. If there's a /BLOCK listed, use that value; otherwise, there
are defaults as you have discovered.
Don't feel bad, I've been dealing with this for 20 years when trying to get
VMS crash dump files from customers sent to me in tact via the internet. ;)
I'm impressed I figured out that LRL was the value I wanted. ;)
Luck. ;)
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On 06/10/2014 06:57 PM, Lee Gleason wrote:
and external drive options; however, I don;t use them because those
Maxtor
XT2190s (RD54s) are so damn loud. I have V6.something on both which I
setup
I recently rescued 3 2000s from recycling, and couldn't stand how loud
the RD54s were, especially when all 3 were running. I did some research
and finally got them all running the Mueller patches to support SCSI
drives. Lots quieter now - I can have them all on and still be able to
listen to music.
Heh...don't knock those RD54s. Several years ago, when I was still
starving in the "zero-work zone" (SW Florida) someone *gave* me about
twenty of those drives. Selling all but three of them on eBay paid my
mortgage for almost a year!
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Has the startup actually completed? The STARTUP process must complete and
exit before the DECWindows server can take control.
It gave the normal disk usage and time prompt, so I believe so.
...How the hell do I send VMSBACKUP files via ftp? ASCII and BINARY both
corrupt it.
what was the blocking on the backup? FTP it binary and then use SET FILE
/ATTRIBUTES to correct the VMS file attributes. OR... $ ZIP "-V" on VMS
and send the ZIP file. The "-V" (UPPERCASE V so it must be quoted) will
preserve the VMS file attributes.
8192. Looks like SET FILE/ATTRIB=LRL:8192 EWS012.A allowed BACKUP/LIST EWS012.A/SAVE to succeed.
Don't feel bad, I've been dealing with this for 20 years when trying to get
VMS crash dump files from customers sent to me in tact via the internet. ;)
I'm impressed I figured out that LRL was the value I wanted. ;)
--
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http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Has the startup actually completed? The STARTUP process must complete and
exit before the DECWindows server can take control.
It gave the normal disk usage and time prompt, so I believe so.
...How the hell do I send VMSBACKUP files via ftp? ASCII and BINARY both
corrupt it.
what was the blocking on the backup? FTP it binary and then use SET FILE
/ATTRIBUTES to correct the VMS file attributes. OR... $ ZIP "-V" on VMS
and send the ZIP file. The "-V" (UPPERCASE V so it must be quoted) will
preserve the VMS file attributes.
Don't feel bad, I've been dealing with this for 20 years when trying to get
VMS crash dump files from customers sent to me in tact via the internet. ;)
--
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I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Has the startup actually completed? The STARTUP process must complete and
exit before the DECWindows server can take control.
It gave the normal disk usage and time prompt, so I believe so.
...How the hell do I send VMSBACKUP files via ftp? ASCII and BINARY both corrupt it.
--
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http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
I'd do the same...except the cable doesn't provide an internal SCSI
port...does it? I don't have any cables spare that would work I don't
think.
You'd need the expansion plate, I believe, because it provided the interface
to the external disk and the rudimentary SCSI for the TK50Z.
Ahh.
Now...I'm confused as hell here.
I have SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP running...and I have a mouse cursor on the
VR290...but I'm not getting a DECwindows LOGINOUT prompt. Is it memory
related?
Has the startup actually completed? The STARTUP process must complete and
exit before the DECWindows server can take control.
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
I'd do the same...except the cable doesn't provide an internal SCSI
port...does it? I don't have any cables spare that would work I don't
think.
You'd need the expansion plate, I believe, because it provided the interface
to the external disk and the rudimentary SCSI for the TK50Z.
Ahh.
Now...I'm confused as hell here.
I have SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP running...and I have a mouse cursor on the VR290...but I'm not getting a DECwindows LOGINOUT prompt. Is it memory related?
Guess I'll go back to trying EWS. ;)
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Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Lee Gleason wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
and external drive options; however, I don;t use them because those Maxtor
XT2190s (RD54s) are so damn loud. I have V6.something on both which I
setup
I recently rescued 3 2000s from recycling, and couldn't stand how loud the
RD54s were, especially when all 3 were running. I did some research and
finally got them all running the Mueller patches to support SCSI drives. Lots
quieter now - I can have them all on and still be able to listen to music.
I'd do the same...except the cable doesn't provide an internal SCSI
port...does it? I don't have any cables spare that would work I don't
think.
You'd need the expansion plate, I believe, because it provided the interface
to the external disk and the rudimentary SCSI for the TK50Z.
--
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I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Lee Gleason wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
and external drive options; however, I don;t use them because those Maxtor
XT2190s (RD54s) are so damn loud. I have V6.something on both which I setup
I recently rescued 3 2000s from recycling, and couldn't stand how loud the RD54s were, especially when all 3 were running. I did some research and finally got them all running the Mueller patches to support SCSI drives. Lots quieter now - I can have them all on and still be able to listen to music.
I'd do the same...except the cable doesn't provide an internal SCSI port...does it? I don't have any cables spare that would work I don't think.
Now: back to figuring out why DECwindows won't start in 6M RAM. ;);)
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Control-G Consultants
lee.gleason at comcast.net
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
and external drive options; however, I don;t use them because those Maxtor
XT2190s (RD54s) are so damn loud. I have V6.something on both which I setup
I recently rescued 3 2000s from recycling, and couldn't stand how loud the RD54s were, especially when all 3 were running. I did some research and finally got them all running the Mueller patches to support SCSI drives. Lots quieter now - I can have them all on and still be able to listen to music.
--
Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
lee.gleason at comcast.net
On 10/06/2014 19:32, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Afternoon all,
What's the latest version of VWS/the workstation stuff? I've heard DECwindows is a bit heavy for a VS2000. ;)
I found JVWS044 (This...might be the Japanese version...) over on slave.hecnet.eu's archive...but I can't manage anything beyond 10K/sec there. Anyone have a newer version on a faster, more local link anywhere?
Thanks!
I'll relax the bandwidth limiter a bit - 10K is a bit pointless...
Mark.
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
has 4M or 6M. I'd love to have one of the 16M clearpoint boards, though.=
The max for the 2000 was 14M.
Apparently Clearpoint made a 16M board with a patched ROM.
I don't remember that. Both of my 2000s have the 12M option which, coupled
with the on-board 2M totals out at 14M. Both also have the expansion plate
and external drive options; however, I don;t use them because those Maxtor
XT2190s (RD54s) are so damn loud. I have V6.something on both which I setup
with Snapshot fastboot configuration. It was pretty cool to get them up and
running VMS in about 15 seconds from the dead sergeant. Still too damn slow
those 2000 were for most anything useful.
Heh. Yeah. I certainly need more RAM...I'm also currently doing a network boot. ;)
I picked it up as at $100 + shipping I could finally format MFM drives. ;)
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Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
has 4M or 6M. I'd love to have one of the 16M clearpoint boards, though.=
The max for the 2000 was 14M.
Apparently Clearpoint made a 16M board with a patched ROM.
I don't remember that. Both of my 2000s have the 12M option which, coupled
with the on-board 2M totals out at 14M. Both also have the expansion plate
and external drive options; however, I don;t use them because those Maxtor
XT2190s (RD54s) are so damn loud. I have V6.something on both which I setup
with Snapshot fastboot configuration. It was pretty cool to get them up and
running VMS in about 15 seconds from the dead sergeant. Still too damn slow
those 2000 were for most anything useful.
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I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
has 4M or 6M. I'd love to have one of the 16M clearpoint boards, though.=
The max for the 2000 was 14M.
Apparently Clearpoint made a 16M board with a patched ROM.
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http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Hans Vlems wrote:
You might want to turn off feedback for autogen though.
Probably.
BTW, how much memory in the vs2k=E2=80=8E ?
Good question!
It has a 2/4M memory module in it (that is what it says)...so it either=20
has 4M or 6M. I'd love to have one of the 16M clearpoint boards, though.=
The max for the 2000 was 14M.
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Hans Vlems wrote:
Good luck Cory, 6 MB surely will test your patience!
Thanks. ;)
It'll work as a good test of the monitor. ;)
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Good luck Cory, 6 MB surely will test your patience!
Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
Origineel bericht
Van: Cory Smelosky
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 juni 2014 22:46
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Latest version of VWS
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Hans Vlems wrote:
You might want to turn off feedback for autogen though.
Probably.
BTW, how much memory in the vs2k ?
Good question!
It has a 2/4M memory module in it (that is what it says)...so it either
has 4M or 6M. I'd love to have one of the 16M clearpoint boards, though.
;)
--
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http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Hans Vlems wrote:
You might want to turn off feedback for autogen though.
Probably.
BTW, how much memory in the vs2k ?
Good question!
It has a 2/4M memory module in it (that is what it says)...so it either has 4M or 6M. I'd love to have one of the 16M clearpoint boards, though. ;)
--
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http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
You might want to turn off feedback for autogen though.
BTW, how much memory in the vs2k ?
Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
Origineel bericht
Van: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 juni 2014 21:54
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Latest version of VWS
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 06/10/2014 02:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
What's the latest version of VWS/the workstation stuff? I've heard
DECwindows is a bit heavy for a VS2000. ;)
DECwindows is fine on a VS2000, FYI. (been there, done that...for YEARS)
Ahh, Okay!
I need to fix these before I can shove it on the cluster node, though. ;)
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, Free GBLPAGES is 11620, should be at least 30000
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter GBLPAGFIL is 1024, should be at least
6024
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter CHANNELCNT is 127, should be at least
255
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_DPGFLQUOTA is 16400, should be at
least 32768
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MASTLM is 4, should be at least 100
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MBIOLM is 4, should be at least 100
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MDIOLM is 4, should be at least 100
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MPRCLM is 0, should be at least 8
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MFILLM is 2, should be at least 100
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MBYTLM is 1024, should be at least
48000
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MENQLM is 30, should be at least
200
$ MCR SYSGEN ;)
Seriously, edit MODPARAMS.DAT, set each of those recommendations as:
min_<SYSGEN-parameter> = <suggested-value>
and then @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN and reboot.
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
$ MCR SYSGEN ;)
Seriously, edit MODPARAMS.DAT, set each of those recommendations as:
min_<SYSGEN-parameter> = <suggested-value>
and then @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN and reboot.
Thanks. I just shoved them in the email so I had somewhere to refer to when I was in EDIT. ;)
Now to boot the cluster node!
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Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 06/10/2014 02:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
What's the latest version of VWS/the workstation stuff? I've heard
DECwindows is a bit heavy for a VS2000. ;)
DECwindows is fine on a VS2000, FYI. (been there, done that...for YEARS)
Ahh, Okay!
I need to fix these before I can shove it on the cluster node, though. ;)
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, Free GBLPAGES is 11620, should be at least 30000
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter GBLPAGFIL is 1024, should be at least
6024
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter CHANNELCNT is 127, should be at least
255
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_DPGFLQUOTA is 16400, should be at
least 32768
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MASTLM is 4, should be at least 100
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MBIOLM is 4, should be at least 100
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MDIOLM is 4, should be at least 100
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MPRCLM is 0, should be at least 8
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MFILLM is 2, should be at least 100
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MBYTLM is 1024, should be at least
48000
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MENQLM is 30, should be at least
200
$ MCR SYSGEN ;)
Seriously, edit MODPARAMS.DAT, set each of those recommendations as:
min_<SYSGEN-parameter> = <suggested-value>
and then @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN and reboot.
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On Jun 10, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 06/10/2014 02:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
What's the latest version of VWS/the workstation stuff? I've heard
DECwindows is a bit heavy for a VS2000. ;)
DECwindows is fine on a VS2000, FYI. (been there, done that...for YEARS)
-Dave
I ve used both on the same hardware started on a VS2 (the first one with color graphics) running VWS, then switched to DECwindows when VWS was unceremoniously canceled. I m pretty sure that DECwindows was both functionally superior and a whole lot faster.
paul
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 06/10/2014 02:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
What's the latest version of VWS/the workstation stuff? I've heard
DECwindows is a bit heavy for a VS2000. ;)
DECwindows is fine on a VS2000, FYI. (been there, done that...for YEARS)
Ahh, Okay!
I need to fix these before I can shove it on the cluster node, though. ;)
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, Free GBLPAGES is 11620, should be at least 30000
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter GBLPAGFIL is 1024, should be at least 6024
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter CHANNELCNT is 127, should be at least 255
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_DPGFLQUOTA is 16400, should be at least 32768
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MASTLM is 4, should be at least 100
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MBIOLM is 4, should be at least 100
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MDIOLM is 4, should be at least 100
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MPRCLM is 0, should be at least 8
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MFILLM is 2, should be at least 100
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MBYTLM is 1024, should be at least 48000
%DECW-W-BADVALUE, SYSGEN parameter PQL_MENQLM is 30, should be at least 200
-Dave
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On 06/10/2014 02:32 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
What's the latest version of VWS/the workstation stuff? I've heard
DECwindows is a bit heavy for a VS2000. ;)
DECwindows is fine on a VS2000, FYI. (been there, done that...for YEARS)
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
