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by b4＠gewt.net

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2014-11-14 16:43, Cory Smelosky wrote: Evening, What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it. By the way - why do people assume that people would not want to protect their rights? This whole attitude scares me a little. I can't imagine the profits from TOPS-10/20 would exceed the legal fees...correct me if I am wrong as to what current major use of the code is. Johnny -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2014-11-14 17:55, Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! Mentec seems to have departed from the scene. As for the -11 stuff, there's a site who claims to be its owner. Look at the site that our friend runs for SIMH, there's an reference to it. The current owners of the PDP-11 software is XX2247 LLC. I doubt it's a secret anymore. Johnny ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: I don't believe so. -brian On Nov 14, 2014, at 20:13, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote: If I remember correctly they did not. They only got VMS. The PDP OSes went elsewhere. Mentec got the -11 stuff...but I don't think that included the -10 stuff...did it? -brian -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 11/15/2014 03:49 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2014-11-14 16:43, Cory Smelosky wrote: Evening, What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it. By the way - why do people assume that people would not want to protect their rights? This whole attitude scares me a little. In this case, it's because the rights are to a decades-old OS that is viewed by the business world as being nothing more than a long-dead historical curiosity. We know it's awesome, and we understand why, but let's put it this way...Windows is fast disappearing, and it's not exactly TOPS-10/20 that's killing it. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2014-11-14 16:47, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: On Nov 14, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: Evening, What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it. If it was copyrighted originally, that copyright is certainly still valid. Anything that didn t expire prior to the last set of changes will remain valid for decades, thanks to the Mickey Mouse Protection Act. Interesting question who owns it. Did HP get that piece of DEC? Already answered, but I might as well repeat it. Yes, it's still copyrighted, as you say Paul. No, HP never got their hands on it. DEC sold it all to XKL as XKL was in the business of making yet another PDP-10. And XKL eventually did deliver that machine. Almost none sold, however. And as a part, XKL also made some further development as well as porting lots of GNU stuff over to TOPS-20. XKL is sortof still using bit and pieces of the software. And XKL did pretty much go down the same path as Cisco, which ironically also started out as a plan to build a PDP-10. They just got sidetracked into doing network gear. XKL at least have a PDP-10 in the center of their network gear. :-) Johnny

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by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2014-11-14 16:43, Cory Smelosky wrote: Evening, What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it. By the way - why do people assume that people would not want to protect their rights? This whole attitude scares me a little. Johnny

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by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2014-11-15 11:57, Ryan Blair wrote: On 11/14/14 4:43 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it. Just curious. http://www.36bit.org/dec/license.html Tim Shoppa's site seems to be under active maintenance, but I believe another text copy of the license is there as well. Yes. And that covers hobbyist use of TOPS-10/20. However, as to the other part of the question - what is the legal status and who owns it, the answer is that it is still under copyright. And the owners are XKL, who bought it all from DEC. And they still use it as well. Johnny

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by blairrya＠cse.msu.edu

On 11/14/14 4:43 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it. Just curious. http://www.36bit.org/dec/license.html Tim Shoppa's site seems to be under active maintenance, but I believe another text copy of the license is there as well. -Ryan

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by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! Mentec seems to have departed from the scene. As for the -11 stuff, there's a site who claims to be its owner. Look at the site that our friend runs for SIMH, there's an reference to it. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: I don't believe so. -brian On Nov 14, 2014, at 20:13, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote: If I remember correctly they did not. They only got VMS. The PDP OSes went elsewhere. Mentec got the -11 stuff...but I don't think that included the -10 stuff...did it? -brian -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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by wonko＠4amlunch.net

I don't believe so. -brian On Nov 14, 2014, at 20:13, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote: If I remember correctly they did not. They only got VMS. The PDP OSes went elsewhere. Mentec got the -11 stuff...but I don't think that included the -10 stuff...did it? -brian -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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by b4＠gewt.net

On Fri, 14 Nov 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote: If I remember correctly they did not. They only got VMS. The PDP OSes went elsewhere. Mentec got the -11 stuff...but I don't think that included the -10 stuff...did it? -brian -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On Nov 14, 2014, at 7:47 PM, <Paul_Koning at Dell.com> <Paul_Koning at Dell.com> wrote: On Nov 14, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: Evening, What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it. If it was copyrighted originally, that copyright is certainly still valid. Anything that didn t expire prior to the last set of changes will remain valid for decades, thanks to the Mickey Mouse Protection Act. Interesting question who owns it. Did HP get that piece of DEC? If I remember correctly they did not. They only got VMS. The PDP OSes went elsewhere. -brian

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by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On Nov 14, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: Evening, What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it. If it was copyrighted originally, that copyright is certainly still valid. Anything that didn t expire prior to the last set of changes will remain valid for decades, thanks to the Mickey Mouse Protection Act. Interesting question who owns it. Did HP get that piece of DEC? paul

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by b4＠gewt.net

Evening, What IS the current copyright status on TOPS-10/20? Who owns it? I assume it's still copyrighted I assume...and I doubt the current copyright owner would bother to enforce their rights to it. Just curious. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for som eone on this list

by jsteve＠superglobalmegacorp.com

I wonder if it is even VMS. I had to do work for some fine company with a ticketing monoploy, which used VAXen, but had a custom OS, which tied them to not only VAX hardware, but a specific model. The best part was their networking which involved UDP and a custom terminal application. To make them secure they used DoD IPs which is great when one of your other clients is the DoD. They had never seen PPTP before, and were taken aback when I had their application running in a new building that day.. And even showed them it running over a VPN over the internet. Apparently that was something that they had been struggling with. Oh well, 2002 was a million years ago. ---------- From: Hans Vlems Reply To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:11 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for someone on this list Perhaps I'd better sell them one of my many VAXstation 4000-60's . If they would have a vaxcluster license I might even sell them two units :-) Or would two VAX 4000-105A's ?with a DSSI bus be a better solution.... Hans Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Origineel bericht Van: Dave McGuire Verzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 16:51 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE; SIMH Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for someone on this list On 11/10/2014 09:38 AM, Clem Cole wrote: Hawaii seems to still be running a 780 with Cobol application to process its state payroll: http://www.civilbeat.com/2014/11/civil-bytes-our-new-governor-should-upgra de-states-sorry-technology/ A consulting job...or a freight account! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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by jeep＠scshome.net

DECserver-250 would fix this! :-) -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Hans Vlems Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 16:23 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: RE: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for someone on this list Yup, that's it. Gone are my dreams of setting up a high tech exporting firm between the Netherlands and Hawaii (and possibly even visiting the island). And all that because I couldn't support a lineprinter (very likely a real LP11) on a VAXstation 4000 model 60. :-\ Hans PS ISTR a serial parallel interface but that might have connected a serial printer to a parallel port, hmmm.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Pontus Pihlgren Verzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 21:40 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for someone on this list A line printer? I said if.. /P

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by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Yup, that's it. Gone are my dreams of setting up a high tech exporting firm between the Netherlands and Hawaii (and possibly even visiting the island). And all that because I couldn't support a lineprinter (very likely a real LP11) on a VAXstation 4000 model 60. :-\ Hans PS ISTR a serial parallel interface but that might have connected a serial printer to a parallel port, hmmm.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Pontus Pihlgren Verzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 21:40 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for someone on this list A line printer? I said if.. /P

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by pontus＠Update.UU.SE

A line printer? I said if.. /P On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:38:17PM +0100, Hans Vlems wrote: Yeah, right but then again what unibus unique peripherals would a payroll program need other than disks and tape drives :-/ Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Origineel bericht Van: Pontus Pihlgren Verzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 21:32 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for someone on this list On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 08:11:39PM +0100, Hans Vlems wrote: Perhaps I'd better sell them one of my many VAXstation 4000-60's . If they would have a vaxcluster license I might even sell them two units :-) Or would two VAX 4000-105A's with a DSSI bus be a better solution.... Hans If they have unibus peripherals you might need a qbus vax with a bridge to unibus. /P Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Origineel bericht Van: Dave McGuire Verzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 16:51 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE; SIMH Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for someone on this list On 11/10/2014 09:38 AM, Clem Cole wrote: Hawaii seems to still be running a 780 with Cobol application to process its state payroll: http://www.civilbeat.com/2014/11/civil-bytes-our-new-governor-should-upgrad… A consulting job...or a freight account! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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by pontus＠Update.UU.SE

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:32:25PM +0100, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: If they have unibus peripherals you might need a qbus vax with a bridge to unibus. Hmm I wonder if such a thing exists. Unibus-to-qbus exists at least. /P

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by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Yeah, right but then again what unibus unique peripherals would a payroll program need other than disks and tape drives :-/ Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Origineel bericht Van: Pontus Pihlgren Verzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 21:32 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for someone on this list On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 08:11:39PM +0100, Hans Vlems wrote: Perhaps I'd better sell them one of my many VAXstation 4000-60's . If they would have a vaxcluster license I might even sell them two units :-) Or would two VAX 4000-105A's with a DSSI bus be a better solution.... Hans If they have unibus peripherals you might need a qbus vax with a bridge to unibus. /P Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Origineel bericht Van: Dave McGuire Verzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 16:51 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE; SIMH Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for someone on this list On 11/10/2014 09:38 AM, Clem Cole wrote: Hawaii seems to still be running a 780 with Cobol application to process its state payroll: http://www.civilbeat.com/2014/11/civil-bytes-our-new-governor-should-upgrad… A consulting job...or a freight account! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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by pontus＠Update.UU.SE

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 08:11:39PM +0100, Hans Vlems wrote: Perhaps I'd better sell them one of my many VAXstation 4000-60's . If they would have a vaxcluster license I might even sell them two units :-) Or would two VAX 4000-105A's with a DSSI bus be a better solution.... Hans If they have unibus peripherals you might need a qbus vax with a bridge to unibus. /P Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Origineel bericht Van: Dave McGuire Verzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 16:51 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE; SIMH Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for someone on this list On 11/10/2014 09:38 AM, Clem Cole wrote: Hawaii seems to still be running a 780 with Cobol application to process its state payroll: http://www.civilbeat.com/2014/11/civil-bytes-our-new-governor-should-upgrad… A consulting job...or a freight account! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Perhaps I'd better sell them one of my many VAXstation 4000-60's . If they would have a vaxcluster license I might even sell them two units :-) Or would two VAX 4000-105A's with a DSSI bus be a better solution.... Hans Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Origineel bericht Van: Dave McGuire Verzonden: maandag 10 november 2014 16:51 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE; SIMH Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Seems Like there might a consulting Job here for someone on this list On 11/10/2014 09:38 AM, Clem Cole wrote: Hawaii seems to still be running a 780 with Cobol application to process its state payroll: http://www.civilbeat.com/2014/11/civil-bytes-our-new-governor-should-upgrad… A consulting job...or a freight account! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 11/10/2014 09:38 AM, Clem Cole wrote: Hawaii seems to still be running a 780 with Cobol application to process its state payroll: http://www.civilbeat.com/2014/11/civil-bytes-our-new-governor-should-upgrad… A consulting job...or a freight account! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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by clemc＠ccc.com

Hawaii seems to still be running a 780 with Cobol application to process its state payroll: http://www.civilbeat.com/2014/11/civil-bytes-our-new-governor-should-upgrad…

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IBM has finally caught DEC

by fcoffey＠misernet.net

On Sun, 12 Oct 2014, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: It seems like IBM has finally caught up with DEC in respect to file management. The latest and newest version of zOS delivers us... (For the ones who don't understand IBM-esse, they are going to support a sort of "file versioning"). [cut] For a second there I thought when you said "caught up" equaled "hobbyist." I have never been so disappointed! ;) ;) However, interesting that they are implementing file versioning after all this time ... Fred

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by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Just a little bit of trolling... It seems like IBM has finally caught up with DEC in respect to file management. The latest and newest version of zOS delivers us... Tada! PDSE member generations! http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/#!/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v… (For the ones who don't understand IBM-esse, they are going to support a sort of "file versioning"). Now I'll go back to RSX11 and VMS to look for more "cutting edge" features IBM could add to zOS... Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

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