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by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 11:49 AM -0500 8/17/08, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I've set up an IRC server for our use on silverback.sampsa.com port 6655 (non-standard port, I know). I'll be hanging out on channel #hecnet as often as I can. There's something about using IRC for DEC stuff that strikes me as inconsistent. (I'm being a real DEC/VMS bigot here...) Better if there were a multi-user version of PHONE. :) DECNotes isn't real time... Alas - I'm not entitled to an opinion, since my systems off-line now anyway! Well the only DECnotes server I'm aware of is currently powered off, and won't be back on HECnet for at least a month. Right now it is so hot most of my stuff is powered down (major heat wave), my Area Router was already off due to a howling fan, and now we're getting ready to move. We hope heat will be less of an issue in the new place, and I'm going to pay more attention to setting things up in such a way that I can stay online all the time. I suspect once I get back online it will be with either a VAXstation 4000/60 or /90 as my area router instead of the /vlc. ISTR seeing at least IRC clients for VMS, but am not sure. I've never bothered to figure out IRC. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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IRC Server

by toresbe＠ifi.uio.no

On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 11:24 -0700, Bob Armstrong wrote: Does PHONE do multi-user? It does two people (Well, two people is technically "multi-user" :-) Seriously, though, PHONE is pretty simple compared to IRC. However, remember that we are talking antique systems here - it's probably the closest analog that exists. At least VMS Phone as of 5.0 does more than two users. But fitting it all on the 80x24 screen it expects will become progressively less trivial as users arrive. -Tore :)

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IRC Server

by toresbe＠ifi.uio.no

On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 16:37 +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I've set up an IRC server for our use on silverback.sampsa.com port 6655 (non-standard port, I know). I'll be hanging out on channel #hecnet as often as I can. Although I think that putting up an IRC channel for HECnet is a fantastic idea, and I'm connecting after hitting "Send" - who knows, it might lead to the development of a proper VMS-style IRC client - I'm quite opposed to the "network per channel" thing: It strikes me a bit as having a mail server for each address, or insisting on setting up a new computer for every user account. Can't we please do this on a recognized, stable network - Freenode (irc.freenode.net) strikes me as being a very nice network for this kind of thing, and it already has a healthy #vms. I'll be in #hecnet there myself. I don't have any active hosts at the moment either - it is still summer! - but I still feel entitled to whine ;) Regards, -Tore :)

16 years, 10 months

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IRC Server

by bob＠jfcl.com

Does PHONE do multi-user? It does two people (Well, two people is technically "multi-user" :-) Seriously, though, PHONE is pretty simple compared to IRC. However, remember that we are talking antique systems here - it's probably the closest analog that exists. Bob

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IRC Server

by sampsa＠mac.com

Does PHONE do multi-user? Sampsa On 17 Aug 2008, at 18:58, Bob Armstrong wrote: Well if you've got a better and more DEC oriented I'm open torunning that too... :) There's PHONE, which works on VMS and RSX, at least, maybe more. Bob

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IRC Server

by bob＠jfcl.com

Well if you've got a better and more DEC oriented I'm open torunning that too... :) There's PHONE, which works on VMS and RSX, at least, maybe more. Bob

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IRC Server

by sampsa＠mac.com

Well if you've got a better and more DEC oriented I'm open to running that too... :) Sampsa On 17 Aug 2008, at 17:49, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I've set up an IRC server for our use on silverback.sampsa.com port 6655 (non-standard port, I know). I'll be hanging out on channel #hecnet as often as I can. There's something about using IRC for DEC stuff that strikes me as inconsistent. (I'm being a real DEC/VMS bigot here...) Better if there were a multi-user version of PHONE. :) DECNotes isn't real time... Alas - I'm not entitled to an opinion, since my systems off-line now anyway! -- "Nothing is too small to know, and nothing too big to attempt." --Sir William Cornelius Van Horne

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IRC Server

by phil＠rephil.org

Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I've set up an IRC server for our use on silverback.sampsa.com port 6655 (non-standard port, I know). I'll be hanging out on channel #hecnet as often as I can. There's something about using IRC for DEC stuff that strikes me as inconsistent. (I'm being a real DEC/VMS bigot here...) Better if there were a multi-user version of PHONE. :) DECNotes isn't real time... Alas - I'm not entitled to an opinion, since my systems off-line now anyway! -- "Nothing is too small to know, and nothing too big to attempt." --Sir William Cornelius Van Horne

16 years, 10 months

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IRC Server

by sampsa＠mac.com

Guys, I've set up an IRC server for our use on silverback.sampsa.com port 6655 (non-standard port, I know). I'll be hanging out on channel #hecnet as often as I can. Sampsa

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Name resolution with DECnet-Plus

by sampsa＠mac.com

Follow up: I "upgraded" to DECnet PhaseIV, everything is working swimmingly. Sampsa On 16 Aug 2008, at 01:36, Sampsa Laine wrote: I have finally managed to get my machine to talk to HECnet, unfortunately I can only access remote machines by their numeric address, not by node name. I am running DECnet-Plus on OpenVMS 8.3, with the name resolution set to local. Any idea how I can get this to resolve PhaseIV addresses? Sampsa

16 years, 10 months

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Name resolution with DECnet-Plus

by sampsa＠mac.com

I have finally managed to get my machine to talk to HECnet, unfortunately I can only access remote machines by their numeric address, not by node name. I am running DECnet-Plus on OpenVMS 8.3, with the name resolution set to local. Any idea how I can get this to resolve PhaseIV addresses? Sampsa

16 years, 10 months

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Faceplate or floor stand for DS20E

by bob＠jfcl.com

A friend of mine was giving away some AlphaServer DS20E (it s a long story :-). It s hardly even an antique, being less than ten years old, but on a whim I decided to take one. I m glad I did; it s a really nice server. Works great, has four 9.1Gb 10K SCSI drives (sadly mine doesn t have the 6 slot SCSI chassis), and 4Gb of DRAM. Yes, 4Gb of RAM; that s a lot for a 2000 vintage machine. I m tempted load OpenVMS 8.3 and use it to replace LEGATO, if I can afford the approximately 300kWh/month electric bill. Unfortunately the machines were the rack mount configuration and are for some reason missing their faceplates, and it s kind of ugly. Does anybody have an extra DS20 faceplate that they can spare? Even better would be a set of floor pedestal skins for the DS20. Thanks, Bob

16 years, 11 months

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Cisco 2501 Routers that can do DECnet area routing and Tunnel over IP Free

by ploopster＠gmail.com

Johnny Billquist wrote: Top posting, to keep it short. I could place one of those Ciscos at Update. I have one for you, I just forgot to send it out. It's already loaded with the DECnet area routing package. Send me your address again, and I promise to send it out this week. Peace... Sridhar

16 years, 12 months

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New IP Address

by christine.caulfield＠googlemail.com

Bob Armstrong wrote: My new IP address is 82.8.22.230 Ok, done. I'll keep chrissie.homelinux.net up to date if that helps. Unfortunately neither my router nor Multinet can use DNS to generate rules - the IP has to be put in manually. Yes, I know that about multinet, annoying isn't it! Just to give advance warning, I'll be away from the 20th to the 26th July, so Zarqon will be offline then too. If the weather stays as it is, he will be back on soon after I get back though. Chrissie

16 years, 12 months

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Cisco 2501 Routers that can do DECnet area routing and Tunnel over IP Free

by bqt＠softjar.se

Top posting, to keep it short. I could place one of those Ciscos at Update. Johnny Peter Lothberg wrote: I have some 2501 routers, loaded with a "special" version of SW. They have 1 ethernet port, two serial and console and AUX (can do slip/ppp) ports. I'm naove - if they have only one Ethernet port, would that be for the local network side? What would you do then for the Internet, "upstream" side? You put your DECnet native spekaing nodes on the same thernet segment that you someohow can send packets to the outside world from, where you plug your single router ethernet. decnet routing 59.56 decnet node-type area ! interface Ethernet0 ip address 192.108.200.213 255.255.255.248 no ip directed-broadcast logging event subif-link-status decnet cost 15 ! interface Tunnel3000 no ip address logging event subif-link-status decnet cost 15 tunnel source 192.108.200.213 tunnel destination 199.0.131.2 ! I'll give them away to people who can be gateways to the 'Ethernet bridge" part of HECnet.... Will these talk to anything else (for DECnet bridging purposes, that is) other than another Cisco router? They talk to any DECnet thing on the ethernet native, it can be a area router and it talks DECnet in IP/GRE tunnel to another cisco box. P.S. Are you going to be in town for DCL this Saturday? No, I'm getting back to the valley on Tuesday. Now, I plan to do the September DCL. -Peter

16 years, 12 months

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Cisco 2501 Routers that can do DECnet area routing and Tunnel over IP Free

by roll＠Stupi.SE

I have some 2501 routers, loaded with a "special" version of SW. They have 1 ethernet port, two serial and console and AUX (can do slip/ppp) ports. I'm naove - if they have only one Ethernet port, would that be for the local network side? What would you do then for the Internet, "upstream" side? You put your DECnet native spekaing nodes on the same thernet segment that you someohow can send packets to the outside world from, where you plug your single router ethernet. decnet routing 59.56 decnet node-type area ! interface Ethernet0 ip address 192.108.200.213 255.255.255.248 no ip directed-broadcast logging event subif-link-status decnet cost 15 ! interface Tunnel3000 no ip address logging event subif-link-status decnet cost 15 tunnel source 192.108.200.213 tunnel destination 199.0.131.2 ! I'll give them away to people who can be gateways to the 'Ethernet bridge" part of HECnet.... Will these talk to anything else (for DECnet bridging purposes, that is) other than another Cisco router? They talk to any DECnet thing on the ethernet native, it can be a area router and it talks DECnet in IP/GRE tunnel to another cisco box. P.S. Are you going to be in town for DCL this Saturday? No, I'm getting back to the valley on Tuesday. Now, I plan to do the September DCL. -Peter

16 years, 12 months

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New IP Address

by bob＠jfcl.com

My new IP address is 82.8.22.230 Ok, done. I'll keep chrissie.homelinux.net up to date if that helps. Unfortunately neither my router nor Multinet can use DNS to generate rules - the IP has to be put in manually. Bob

16 years, 12 months

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New IP Address

by christine.caulfield＠googlemail.com

Sorry folks, my IP address changed again. I just powered up Zarqon (we're having a cold summer here!) and it's not talking to anything. My new IP address is 82.8.22.230 I'll keep chrissie.homelinux.net up to date if that helps. If you're using home.tykepenguin.com then be aware that I'm going to let it expire in October. So it'll probably end up as a porn site ;-) -- Chrissie

17 years

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Howling VAX

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 9:55 AM +0100 7/5/08, Christine Caulfield wrote: Zane H. Healy wrote: I brought PDXVAX up just now to discover two different problems, one is that bearings are acting up on one or more of the fans for my VAXstation 4000/vlc, Yours too eh? This is actually the second time I've had this problem, the last time as I recall, after being down for a few months, I tried upgrading to either my Model 60 or Model 90, only to discover it wouldn't really fit, AND than the VLC had stopped howling. I really need to figure out some kind of noise enclosure for our Dining Room that will allow proper cooling of the hardware! I'm getting sick of the noise that the two 3-drive JBOD boxes with 10,000RPM SCSI drives make, and the XP1000 they're connected to is just about as noisy. :^( The fact that she hasn't complained about the noise goes to show just how understanding of a wife I have! Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

17 years

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Howling VAX

by christine.caulfield＠googlemail.com

Zane H. Healy wrote: I brought PDXVAX up just now to discover two different problems, one is that bearings are acting up on one or more of the fans for my VAXstation 4000/vlc, Yours too eh? -- Chrissie

17 years

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Howling VAX

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I brought PDXVAX up just now to discover two different problems, one is that bearings are acting up on one or more of the fans for my VAXstation 4000/vlc, the other is that I need to renew my VAX Hobbyist licenses, as I need a new Multinet license. So, PDXVAX is down for the time being, and I'm starting to wonder about keeping MONK running. I really hate to say this, but it was so nice and quite in our dining room without any VMS boxes running. I hate the idea, but it would be cooler, and quieter to move stuff over to a Mini-ITX box running some form of UNIX. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

17 years

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PDXVAX and MONK down

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Just a heads up, I'm down for bad weather, and have been since about 2-3am West Coast time. There is a good chance I won't be up until late Friday at the earliest. If Christine is down, this means the Multinet segment isn't talking to the rest of HECnet. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

17 years

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Quiet list and a question about setting up a system

by christine.caulfield＠googlemail.com

Bob Armstrong wrote: Marc Chametzky wrote: I think this may have changed. When I requested my latest hobbyist licenses about a month ago, a license for DVNETRTG was included along with DVNETEND and DVNETEXT. I can confirm this - when I renewed my Hobbyist VMS licenses in May, DVNETRTG was included in the layered products PAKs. I think enough people must have asked about DVNETRTG that somebody actually fixed it. Thanks, to whoever that somebody may be. Oh that's good to know. I have been using a PAK that I 'borrowed' from my previous-but-4 employer ! -- Chrissie

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Quiet list and a question about setting up a system

by bob＠jfcl.com

Marc Chametzky wrote: I think this may have changed. When I requested my latest hobbyist licenses about a month ago, a license for DVNETRTG was included along with DVNETEND and DVNETEXT. I can confirm this - when I renewed my Hobbyist VMS licenses in May, DVNETRTG was included in the layered products PAKs. I think enough people must have asked about DVNETRTG that somebody actually fixed it. Thanks, to whoever that somebody may be. Bob

17 years

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Quiet list and a question about setting up a system

by christine.caulfield＠googlemail.com

On 25 Jun 2008, at 19:19, Angela Kahealani wrote: I'm new to this... is there an area router software for Linux? I have a Linux box with two NICs, and want to run KLH10 TOPS-20 (which I understand needs its own NIC) and wonder if I can run on the remaining Linux NIC an area router in Linux software? And run the bridge program between DECNET and TCP-IP... and link/route all that to your bridge? or am I barking up the wrong tree? I was hoping to contribute to HECNET as much as possible, adding to its' redundant routing and DECNET-TCP/IP bridging. Being located on the Hawaiian islands, and not knowing any other Hawaiian HECnet nodes, I thought it might be useful as a routing point. The Linux kernel has DECnet routine built into it, it's just a matter of enabling it at boot time or it will default to an end-node. If you need something to fill in the routing tables for areas, then the dnroute daemon can do that for you. None of this is fantastically-well tested though. But it worked for me once ;-) See http://linux-decnet.wiki.sourceforge.net/FAQ2#router If you're running Debian then it's quite easy (I hope!) to edit /etc/defaults/decnet to set up routing. ...let us know how you get one! Chrissie

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