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GORVAX MULTINET tunnel and CHIMPY's bridge are moving IPs soon

by bob＠jfcl.com

I'll be out today, but I'll change it for you when I get back tonight. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 3:43 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] GORVAX MULTINET tunnel and CHIMPY's bridge are moving IPs soon Argh, My DNS wasn't set up correctly so the IP addresses in my previous message were all wrong: - CHIMPY's bridge remains on 78.86.123.26 port 4711/UDP - GORVAX's MULTINET tunnel has been moved to 78.86.123.31, port 700/UDP Sampsa PS: The original address for GORVAX's MULTINET tunnel will work as well until I confirm everyone can connect to the new address. On 13 Sep 2008, at 11:36, Sampsa Laine wrote: Well it would impolite to just turn off the old tunnel wouldn't it, so I've left both port redirections on for now :) Can you try try to speak to GORVAX's new address in which case I can turn off the port forward on the old one. Sampsa On 13 Sep 2008, at 04:17, Bob Armstrong wrote: - GORVAX's tunnel will be on port 700/UDP on address 78.86.120.236 (gvax.sampsa.com). Are you sure? LEGATO appears to be talking to GORVAX now, on 78.86.123.26. Bob

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GORVAX MULTINET tunnel and CHIMPY's bridge are moving IPs soon

by sampsa＠mac.com

Argh, My DNS wasn't set up correctly so the IP addresses in my previous message were all wrong: - CHIMPY's bridge remains on 78.86.123.26 port 4711/UDP - GORVAX's MULTINET tunnel has been moved to 78.86.123.31, port 700/UDP Sampsa PS: The original address for GORVAX's MULTINET tunnel will work as well until I confirm everyone can connect to the new address. On 13 Sep 2008, at 11:36, Sampsa Laine wrote: Well it would impolite to just turn off the old tunnel wouldn't it, so I've left both port redirections on for now :) Can you try try to speak to GORVAX's new address in which case I can turn off the port forward on the old one. Sampsa On 13 Sep 2008, at 04:17, Bob Armstrong wrote: - GORVAX's tunnel will be on port 700/UDP on address 78.86.120.236 (gvax.sampsa.com). Are you sure? LEGATO appears to be talking to GORVAX now, on 78.86.123.26. Bob

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GORVAX MULTINET tunnel and CHIMPY's bridge are moving IPs soon

by sampsa＠mac.com

Well it would impolite to just turn off the old tunnel wouldn't it, so I've left both port redirections on for now :) Can you try try to speak to GORVAX's new address in which case I can turn off the port forward on the old one. Sampsa On 13 Sep 2008, at 04:17, Bob Armstrong wrote: - GORVAX's tunnel will be on port 700/UDP on address 78.86.120.236 (gvax.sampsa.com). Are you sure? LEGATO appears to be talking to GORVAX now, on 78.86.123.26. Bob

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GORVAX MULTINET tunnel and CHIMPY's bridge are moving IPs soon

by bob＠jfcl.com

- GORVAX's tunnel will be on port 700/UDP on address 78.86.120.236 (gvax.sampsa.com). Are you sure? LEGATO appears to be talking to GORVAX now, on 78.86.123.26. Bob

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GORVAX MULTINET tunnel and CHIMPY's bridge are moving IPs soon

by sampsa＠mac.com

Gentlemen, I've finally figured out how to make more use of my range of static IPs so GORVAX and CHIMPY will be changing IP addresses: - CHIMPY's bridge will be on port 4711/UDP on address 78.86.123.29 (chimpy.sampsa.com) - GORVAX's tunnel will be on port 700/UDP on address 78.86.120.236 (gvax.sampsa.com). Sorry about any inconvenience. Sampsa

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DECnet on KLH10

by phiber＠phiber.com

I wanted to be doing a netstat -ani, (-g only shows multicast for ipv4/6), but the result is the same. None of the DECnet multicast addresses are being added, most notably (and absolutely necessary) are: ab:0:0:3:0:0 - type 6003 - for DECnet Phase IV end node Hello packets from each host, and ab:0:0:4:0:0 - type 6003 - for DECnet Phase IV router Hello packets from the router. I've tried adding these with both enaddr from KLH10 and FreeBSD's built-in "mtest", but both return errors. This seems to be a FreeBSD-specific problem which so far I'm unable to find the reason for. Mark Mark Abene wrote: Mark Abene wrote: I've actually made a new discovery... looking at "netstat -g", I'm seeing that none of the multicast addresses exist that DECnet uses and requires! This would explain why I don't see any DECnet traffic at all. I compiled KLH10's enaddr utility in an attempt to add the multicast addresses manually, and I get failures for all attempts... "SIOCADDMULTI failed - Can't assign requested address". My server's kernel wasn't built with multicast routing enabled, which is not a default. I'm wondering if this is the cause of the error. I'm going to do some further testing. Regards Mark Well I was mistaken about the multicast routing, that's only for doing DVMRP with mrouted (MBONE, etc). Local LAN multicast should work "out of the box" on FreeBSD. Still trying to track down why this is failing, since it's my primary candidate for DECnet not working...

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DECnet on KLH10

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Mark Abene wrote: Is anyone on here successfully using DECnet in TOPS-20 with the KLH10 emulator? I'm using a dedicated bridged-tap interface in FreeBSD, and DECnet is certainly enabled in TOPS-20, but there is absolutely no DECnet traffic on the wire. None can be seen with tcpdump. I find this very odd. IP connectivity works fine, and I can see LAT traffic, but no DECnet. Any suggestions? Well, I can only say that we have one KLH10 system (PAMINA::) running here. Works fine. But it's running on a Linux box, and also have a dedicated physical interface. No ideas why it don't work for you. Johnny Personally I've always recommended Linux/x86 and a dedicated interface for KLH10. For SIMH I just run on whatever is handy, but I've never gotten networking going with SIMH (I've used real PDP-11 hardware or E11 instead). As I recall I've had DECnet running with TOPS-10 7.04 on KLH10, and TCP/IP for TOPS-20. At the time I was messing with it I wasn't really using DECnet, just LAT and TCP/IP. Plus I'm not sure, but I don't believe DECnet was an option for TOPS-20 at that time. LAT is real nice since if you have a DECserver and terminals, you can easily use a real terminal with KLH10. Zane Zane

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DECnet on KLH10

by phiber＠phiber.com

Mark Abene wrote: I've actually made a new discovery... looking at "netstat -g", I'm seeing that none of the multicast addresses exist that DECnet uses and requires! This would explain why I don't see any DECnet traffic at all. I compiled KLH10's enaddr utility in an attempt to add the multicast addresses manually, and I get failures for all attempts... "SIOCADDMULTI failed - Can't assign requested address". My server's kernel wasn't built with multicast routing enabled, which is not a default. I'm wondering if this is the cause of the error. I'm going to do some further testing. Regards Mark Well I was mistaken about the multicast routing, that's only for doing DVMRP with mrouted (MBONE, etc). Local LAN multicast should work "out of the box" on FreeBSD. Still trying to track down why this is failing, since it's my primary candidate for DECnet not working...

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DECnet on KLH10

by phiber＠phiber.com

Mike Shields wrote: Mark - I have a TOPS-20 setup on KLH10, running on a Solaris host wtih a dedicated ethernet card for the KLH10 instance. I'd try to help you but I honestly don't know how to configure DECnet on TOPS-20. My goal is to get DECnet working, At a minimum, you simply need to add the following to your system config file (depending on your TOPS-20 version, SYSTEM:7-1-CONFIG.CMD or similar)... NODE MYNODE 1.123 ETHERNET 0 DECNET DECNET ROUTER-ENDNODE Replace "MYNODE" with your 6-letter nodename, and "1.123" with your node number. The "0" (zero) for ETHERNET may need to be adjusted if you have more than one network interface, but "0" is correct for the first NI0 interface. I'm fairly certain the third directive indicates that you're an end node and are not effecting any DECnet routing yourself. and one of the reasons I put a dedicated ethernet card in was that I read DECnet changes the MAC address to some specific value corresponding with the node number. For some reason I didn't think that'd work very well with bridging/tap. (Though it may work just fine, it was just a gut feel) It works just fine actually. Problem at least on FreeBSD is that the bridge ceases to function if any of the bridged interface's MAC addresses changes without simply cycling the bridge down and up again. Because of this I disabled the MAC address change in KLH10 and do it manually. Well, anyways, let me know if you want to collaborate on getting both our systems working. Mike I've actually made a new discovery... looking at "netstat -g", I'm seeing that none of the multicast addresses exist that DECnet uses and requires! This would explain why I don't see any DECnet traffic at all. I compiled KLH10's enaddr utility in an attempt to add the multicast addresses manually, and I get failures for all attempts... "SIOCADDMULTI failed - Can't assign requested address". My server's kernel wasn't built with multicast routing enabled, which is not a default. I'm wondering if this is the cause of the error. I'm going to do some further testing. Regards Mark

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Bridge

by ploopster＠gmail.com

I'm probably going to be running an exhibit this weekend where I connect a VAX to hecnet. I will need to set up a node temporarily with the bridge. Can I peer with someone? It would be great if you can assign me a node number in your area temporarily. Thanks. Peace... Sridhar

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Node rename

by christine.caulfield＠googlemail.com

Johnny Billquist wrote: Bob Armstrong wrote: I made this change on LEGATO too. Not that it matters, but LEGATO thinks the adjacent node on the circuit is 3.34, ROOSTA. From your numbering system, this must be some kind of VAX or Alpha. .ncp tell roosta sho exec Node summary as of 12-SEP-08 10:57:27 Executor node = 3.34 (ROOSTA) State = On, Identification = DECnet for OpenVMS VAX V7.2 :-) That's one of the reasons I wrote NML for Linux. Incidentally, that now works on big-endian systems too. I found the bug :) -- Chrissie

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DECnet on KLH10

by bqt＠softjar.se

Mark Abene wrote: Is anyone on here successfully using DECnet in TOPS-20 with the KLH10 emulator? I'm using a dedicated bridged-tap interface in FreeBSD, and DECnet is certainly enabled in TOPS-20, but there is absolutely no DECnet traffic on the wire. None can be seen with tcpdump. I find this very odd. IP connectivity works fine, and I can see LAT traffic, but no DECnet. Any suggestions? Well, I can only say that we have one KLH10 system (PAMINA::) running here. Works fine. But it's running on a Linux box, and also have a dedicated physical interface. No ideas why it don't work for you. Johnny

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Node rename

by bqt＠softjar.se

Bob Armstrong wrote: I made this change on LEGATO too. Not that it matters, but LEGATO thinks the adjacent node on the circuit is 3.34, ROOSTA. From your numbering system, this must be some kind of VAX or Alpha. .ncp tell roosta sho exec Node summary as of 12-SEP-08 10:57:27 Executor node = 3.34 (ROOSTA) State = On, Identification = DECnet for OpenVMS VAX V7.2 :-) Johnny Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Christine Caulfield Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:31 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] Node rename I'm going to be a pest now, sorry. My old node ZAPHOD died over a year ago. However I now have a new node so I'm reusing the name. This next bit might sound slightly anal but bear with me. The old Zaphod was an Alpha so it had a node number 3.33. The new one is a macmini running Linux (and I hope to replace fentib) so has a node number of 3.55. My numbering scheme (as if you cared) goes 01-19 PCs 20-30 hmm, I forget now. I'm sure I had some once though. 30-39 DEC systems 40-49 HP systems 50-59 Apple systems 60-69 Sun systems So, anyway the point is that can you please renumber ZAPHOD from 3.33 to 3.55. Sorry.

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Node rename

by Christine.Caulfield＠googlemail.com

Bob Armstrong wrote: I made this change on LEGATO too. Not that it matters, but LEGATO thinks the adjacent node on the circuit is 3.34, ROOSTA. From your numbering system, this must be some kind of VAX or Alpha. Yes it's a VAX. Well, actually it's a simh 'vax'. My real ones are too noisy and/or hot to run in the summer so I though it would be more reliable to have it run this way. At least I can keep it going all the time now :) -- Chrissie

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DECnet on KLH10

by phiber＠phiber.com

Is anyone on here successfully using DECnet in TOPS-20 with the KLH10 emulator? I'm using a dedicated bridged-tap interface in FreeBSD, and DECnet is certainly enabled in TOPS-20, but there is absolutely no DECnet traffic on the wire. None can be seen with tcpdump. I find this very odd. IP connectivity works fine, and I can see LAT traffic, but no DECnet. Any suggestions? Regards, Mark

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Node rename

by bob＠jfcl.com

I made this change on LEGATO too. Not that it matters, but LEGATO thinks the adjacent node on the circuit is 3.34, ROOSTA. From your numbering system, this must be some kind of VAX or Alpha. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Christine Caulfield Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:31 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] Node rename I'm going to be a pest now, sorry. My old node ZAPHOD died over a year ago. However I now have a new node so I'm reusing the name. This next bit might sound slightly anal but bear with me. The old Zaphod was an Alpha so it had a node number 3.33. The new one is a macmini running Linux (and I hope to replace fentib) so has a node number of 3.55. My numbering scheme (as if you cared) goes 01-19 PCs 20-30 hmm, I forget now. I'm sure I had some once though. 30-39 DEC systems 40-49 HP systems 50-59 Apple systems 60-69 Sun systems So, anyway the point is that can you please renumber ZAPHOD from 3.33 to 3.55. Sorry. -- Chrissie

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Node rename

by bqt＠softjar.se

Christine Caulfield wrote: I'm going to be a pest now, sorry. My old node ZAPHOD died over a year ago. However I now have a new node so I'm reusing the name. This next bit might sound slightly anal but bear with me. The old Zaphod was an Alpha so it had a node number 3.33. The new one is a macmini running Linux (and I hope to replace fentib) so has a node number of 3.55. My numbering scheme (as if you cared) goes 01-19 PCs 20-30 hmm, I forget now. I'm sure I had some once though. 30-39 DEC systems 40-49 HP systems 50-59 Apple systems 60-69 Sun systems So, anyway the point is that can you please renumber ZAPHOD from 3.33 to 3.55. Sorry. No problemo. :-) I've done it on MIM now. Johnny

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SMG bug correction for VAX V7.2 and others

by gerry77＠mail.com

I think I've found a solution for the infamous SMG bug on releases for which actually HP does not (still) provide a patch: I've discovered that the official published patch for OpenVMS VAX V7.3 works apparently flawlessy even on V7.2 and maybe also on older releases like V7.1 and so on. Obviously it cannot be installed via VMSINSTAL because the kit does check for the correct version and release, but it's always possibile to extract the new SMGSHR.EXE file from the kit and put it in place. To be safe, I've copied it to the specific portion of my system root (e.g. DKA0:[SYS0.SYSLIB]) instead of the better common one, but I do not have a cluster and SYS$SHARE does point to both locations, so I've achieved the same result. After that I've just typed INSTALL REPLACE SYS$SHARE:SMGSHR.EXE/OPEN/HEADER/SHARED and that's it! I've done the same for my OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 system by using the V7.3-2 patch, but in that case a newer release is temporarily needed to extract SMGSHR.EXE from the PCSI kit because it's in the new compressed form that's not supported by V7.2 (I do not know when it was introduced, I used a V8.2 to extract). In the next few days, if I'll see that everything works without any problems, maybe I'll rename the original SMGSHR.EXE file and replace it with the new one so to have just one of it and in the right place. Hope this helps! G.

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Node rename

by christine.caulfield＠googlemail.com

I'm going to be a pest now, sorry. My old node ZAPHOD died over a year ago. However I now have a new node so I'm reusing the name. This next bit might sound slightly anal but bear with me. The old Zaphod was an Alpha so it had a node number 3.33. The new one is a macmini running Linux (and I hope to replace fentib) so has a node number of 3.55. My numbering scheme (as if you cared) goes 01-19 PCs 20-30 hmm, I forget now. I'm sure I had some once though. 30-39 DEC systems 40-49 HP systems 50-59 Apple systems 60-69 Sun systems So, anyway the point is that can you please renumber ZAPHOD from 3.33 to 3.55. Sorry. -- Chrissie

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dnprogs 2.46 for Linux released (NEW FEATURES!)

by christine.caulfield＠googlemail.com

I'm very pleased to announce the new dnprogs release. With not one, not two, but FOUR new programs - you lucky people :-) The first two were contributed by Philipp 'ph3-der-loewe' Schafft and consist of two command-line utilities: dnetstat is a version of netstat for DECnet, it reformats the /proc file output in a more user-friendly manner. dnetcat is a DECnet version of netcat, an invaluable utility for all network nerds. Philipp has offered to update the wiki to show how to use this utility to run SSH over DECnet! And finally, I have also been busy. I have done something I said I'd write years ago and that's an Network Management Listener program. Yes, finally you can go into NCP on a VMS or RSX system (yes, I tested it on RSX, thanks Johnny) and type in "TELL LINUX SHOW ADJACENT NODES". It only supports a subset of commands at the moment, but I will probably add more. It currently will do: SHOW/LIST KNOWN NODES SHOW ADJACENT NODES SHOW EXEC CHAR To make this work you'll need to add a new line to dnetd.conf - see the sample file shipped with the package for the details. There's also a client side version of that, well partly. dncopynodes allows a Linux user to pull a node list off a remote VMS or RSX system and build up a full decnet.conf file. It will fill in the current exec details too so that the file it generates can simply be copied to /etc. WARNING ... DO NOT do 'dncopynodes > /etc/decnet.conf' as it will overwrite the file before it gets a chance to use it to make the initial connection! http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=4993&package_id=5032&… -- Chrissie

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Upcoming PDXVAX/MONK Outage Notice

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

It looks like I'll be going off-line next weekend, probably either the 6th or 7th. I don't know how long PDXVAX and MONK will be down. I don't even know when I'll be back back on the Internet. We just found out that we're moving yesterday and that we're to move on the 6th and 7th (we thought it was the middle of September). Worse, I'm trying to get our phone and internet access sorted out as I was told this morning that FIOS is the only option (I should be able to get DSL), which means I need a Verizon business line to continue getting the level of service I've had. That will cost over twice what I'm paying now. I suspect this is such short notice that no mater what happens I'm going to be without phone and Internet service for a while. This hasn't been a good day. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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NOTES installed

by fcoffey＠misernet.dyndns.org

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Zane H. Healy wrote: How long has your node been online? I just updated the list of known nodes on MONK. How about trying again? Perhaps a week or two? I'll reply to my test post and see what happens ... Fred

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NOTES installed

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 8:34 AM -0400 8/28/08, Fred wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Zane H. Healy wrote: Notes> open/nonotebook MONK::TEST It started working once I did this. I don't claim to understand. Also, I just upgraded to "HP Notes T2.6" on MONK. I'm wondering if the upgrade somehow fixed it. It did not seem to. Trust me, I did a lot of testing last night from PDXVAX. Tried the open/nonotebook monk::test - worked! Out of curiousity, I then tried to open an entry I had already added yesterday - that previously showed an error. Worked! That was the result I had from PDXVAX, except I already had all of the notes conferences under my account there. I simply had to do the open/nonotebook monk::test and then everything worked, and the /nonotebook option was no longer needed. The one thing I don't know is what would have happened if I'd used that option when talking to "DEC Notes V2.5" prior to the upgrade. I was able to successfully post into the TEST conference, although my node shows up as decimal, not the actualy node name ... :-/ How long has your node been online? I just updated the list of known nodes on MONK. How about trying again? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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NOTES installed

by fcoffey＠misernet.dyndns.org

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Zane H. Healy wrote: Notes> open/nonotebook MONK::TEST It started working once I did this. I don't claim to understand. Also, I just upgraded to "HP Notes T2.6" on MONK. I'm wondering if the upgrade somehow fixed it. Tried the open/nonotebook monk::test - worked! Out of curiousity, I then tried to open an entry I had already added yesterday - that previously showed an error. Worked! I was able to successfully post into the TEST conference, although my node shows up as decimal, not the actualy node name ... :-/ Fred

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NOTES installed

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Fred, Try this. Notes> open/nonotebook MONK::TEST It started working once I did this. I don't claim to understand. Also, I just upgraded to "HP Notes T2.6" on MONK. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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