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by marc＠bluevine.net

How are you trying to connect? Do you have an up-to-date node list on LULU? I did copy the node list from DUSTY so LULU can connect by name. --Marc

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Need help with DECnet routing

by marc＠bluevine.net

Have you checked that node DUSTY is sending its router hello packets on the Ethernet circuit? Does node LULU receive the router hellos from node DUSTY? I do have "Hello timer = 15" on DUSTY. I do have connectivity between LULU and DUSTY, but now I wonder whether it's full connectivity. Perhaps there's a problem with Personal Alpha's network emulation. It may not be receiving all of the packets. What does node LULU indicate as the adjacency? It should be node DUSTY unless you have another Level 1 (with higher priority) or Level 2 router on the same circuit. When I do a "SHOW CIRC SVA-0 STAT" on LULU, I don't see any adjacent node. --Marc

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Need help with DECnet routing

by marc＠bluevine.net

LULU, on the other hand, can only connect to DUSTY. It can't connect to LEGATO. Hmm. What makes you think this? I ask because LEGATO can connect to LULU (I just tried it a minute ago), so it is working at least one way. That is strange... I saw your connection attempt, but my attempts to contact LEGATO don't work as well: $ set host legato %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable When I look in NCP, I see something that doesn't look right. NCP>show node legato Node Volatile Summary as of 6-APR-2009 12:06:19 Node State Active Delay Circuit Next node Links 2.1 (LEGATO) SVA-0 0 I would expect that the next node should be 2.210 (DUSTY), but it doesn't know how to get there. --Marc

16 years, 3 months

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Need help with DECnet routing

by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

Marc Chametzky wrote: I have my new system, LULU, up and it's connected via Ethernet on the same network segment as DUSTY. LULU is a non-routing end node. DUSTY is "TYPE ROUTING IV" and has two circuits, TCP-0-0 to LEGATO and QNA-0 for the local network. DUSTY has connectivity to both LEGATO (and the rest of HECnet) and also to LULU. LULU, on the other hand, can only connect to DUSTY. It can't connect to LEGATO. I thought that DUSTY, being a routing node, would route packets between its two circuits, but that appears not to be the case. I tried setting DUSTY up as an area router, thinking that making it a level 2 router would permit LULU's packets to go through DUSTY, but that didn't seem to work either. What should I do in order to get DUSTY to route the packets from LULU to the rest of HECnet? --Marc . Have you checked that node DUSTY is sending its router hello packets on the Ethernet circuit? Does node LULU receive the router hellos from node DUSTY? What does node LULU indicate as the adjacency? It should be node DUSTY unless you have another Level 1 (with higher priority) or Level 2 router on the same circuit.

16 years, 3 months

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Need help with DECnet routing

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

How are you trying to connect? Do you have an up-to-date node list on LULU? SET HOST LEGATO or SET HOST 2.1 Zane On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Marc Chametzky wrote: LULU, on the other hand, can only connect to DUSTY. It can't connect to LEGATO. Hmm. What makes you think this? I ask because LEGATO can connect to LULU (I just tried it a minute ago), so it is working at least one way. That is strange... I saw your connection attempt, but my attempts to contact LEGATO don't work as well: $ set host legato %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable When I look in NCP, I see something that doesn't look right. NCP>show node legato Node Volatile Summary as of 6-APR-2009 12:06:19 Node State Active Delay Circuit Next node Links 2.1 (LEGATO) SVA-0 0 I would expect that the next node should be 2.210 (DUSTY), but it doesn't know how to get there. --Marc

16 years, 3 months

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Need help with DECnet routing

by bob＠jfcl.com

Marc Chametzky wrote DUSTY is "TYPE ROUTING IV" and has two circuits, TCP-0-0 to LEGATO and QNA-0 for the local network. DUSTY has connectivity to both LEGATO (and the rest of HECnet) and also to LULU. This is the way it should be. I tried setting DUSTY up as an area router, thinking that making it a level 2 router would permit LULU's packets to go through DUSTY, but that didn't seem to work either. An area router isn't necessary since all your nodes (and LEGATO too) are in the same area. LULU, on the other hand, can only connect to DUSTY. It can't connect to LEGATO. Hmm. What makes you think this? I ask because LEGATO can connect to LULU (I just tried it a minute ago), so it is working at least one way. Bob

16 years, 3 months

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Need help with DECnet routing

by marc＠bluevine.net

I have my new system, LULU, up and it's connected via Ethernet on the same network segment as DUSTY. LULU is a non-routing end node. DUSTY is "TYPE ROUTING IV" and has two circuits, TCP-0-0 to LEGATO and QNA-0 for the local network. DUSTY has connectivity to both LEGATO (and the rest of HECnet) and also to LULU. LULU, on the other hand, can only connect to DUSTY. It can't connect to LEGATO. I thought that DUSTY, being a routing node, would route packets between its two circuits, but that appears not to be the case. I tried setting DUSTY up as an area router, thinking that making it a level 2 router would permit LULU's packets to go through DUSTY, but that didn't seem to work either. What should I do in order to get DUSTY to route the packets from LULU to the rest of HECnet? --Marc

16 years, 3 months

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New service on CHIMPY - Emulated Altair Z80 running MP/M

by sampsa＠mac.com

Guys, just in case any of you fancy a play, I've installed MP/M II V2.1 on a SIMH Altair Z80 emulator. It's accessible through CHIMPY by logging in as ALTAIR. There are a number of floppy drives (write locked) and a hard drive (writeable) as follows: A: System Disk B: Multiplan C: VEDIT D: WordStar E: Games I: Writeable hard drive. Let me know how it's working!. Sampsa

16 years, 3 months

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HECnet Node Listing

by bob＠jfcl.com

Marc Chametzky wrote: http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Downloads/DCN%20Node%20List.pdf DUSTY and CALHAN appear to have the wrong addresses ... I'd also like to add 2.212 as LULU, a Personal Alpha running OpenVMS ... Ok, I've updated these things on the list. Bob

16 years, 3 months

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HECnet Node Listing

by bqt＠softjar.se

Marc Chametzky wrote: http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Downloads/DCN%20Node%20List.pdf Looking at this list, last updated in August 2008, I notice that my systems, DUSTY and CALHAN appear to have the wrong addresses. They are 2.210 and 2.211, respectively. The NCP database on LEGATO has them correct. I'd also like to add 2.212 as LULU, a Personal Alpha running OpenVMS V8.3. I haven't yet decided where I'm going to run LULU, either in my VMware Fusion system on occasion, or as part of my "trailing-zone" environment in ESXi. I've added LULU on MIM now. I thought I'd take this chance to make two comments. 1. Nodenames in DECnet phase IV are actually local to each machine, so there is no strict requirement that we all have the same view on the name to address mappings. That said, it sure helps if we do, so I try to keep MIM up to date, and others can copy the nodename database from there (in VMS, you just do a "NCP COPY KNOWN NODES FROM MIM TO BOTH", if someone wants to know how you do in RSX, write me a mail. :-) ) 2. In addition to the nodename database, I also keep a plaintext file with both nodenames people use, and nodenames people have asked to be reserved. You can find that at MIM::US:[DECNET]NODENAMES.ALL In the same directory I also have a DECNET.TXT file, which have a list of all areas allocated, and by whom. (And the file from sparetimesgizmos is not my creation or responsibility, so I can't make any changes in that.) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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HECnet Node Listing

by bqt＠softjar.se

Marc Chametzky wrote: http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Downloads/DCN%20Node%20List.pdf Looking at this list, last updated in August 2008, I notice that my systems, DUSTY and CALHAN appear to have the wrong addresses. They are 2.210 and 2.211, respectively. The NCP database on LEGATO has them correct. I'd also like to add 2.212 as LULU, a Personal Alpha running OpenVMS V8.3. I haven't yet decided where I'm going to run LULU, either in my VMware Fusion system on occasion, or as part of my "trailing-zone" environment in ESXi. Ok. I've added LULU at my "master" database on MIM. As for that list, I'm not the one compiling it, so I can't make any changes, or comments on it. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

16 years, 3 months

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HECnet Node Listing

by marc＠bluevine.net

http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Downloads/DCN%20Node%20List.pdf Looking at this list, last updated in August 2008, I notice that my systems, DUSTY and CALHAN appear to have the wrong addresses. They are 2.210 and 2.211, respectively. The NCP database on LEGATO has them correct. I'd also like to add 2.212 as LULU, a Personal Alpha running OpenVMS V8.3. I haven't yet decided where I'm going to run LULU, either in my VMware Fusion system on occasion, or as part of my "trailing-zone" environment in ESXi. --Marc

16 years, 3 months

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Change off gateway domain from CHIMPYMAIL.SAMPSA.COM to CHIMPYMAIL.COM

by sampsa＠mac.com

Just a quick update: I've registered the domain CHIMPYMAIL.COM for use as a hecnet mail gateway. The format of the messages is the same, i.e. incoming mail should be addressed to: <HOST>::<USER>@chimpymail.com Outgoing mail remains the same, i.e.: CHIMPY::smtp%"user at example.com" Sampsa

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Powerchute or similar?

by marc＠bluevine.net

I want to say that there was some freeware utility, perhaps on the DECUS tapes throughout the years, that offered very basic UPS monitoring. If I remember correctly, a UPS that's having a power-fault would drop DTE or something like that, allowing a program to monitor the serial port for a hangup, and then do whatever (presumably start a countdown before taking action to see if DTE is raised again). I don't know whether the current models do anything that basic any longer. --Marc

16 years, 4 months

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Powerchute or similar?

by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

Fred wrote: Good afternoon ... Would anyone have a piece of software that would run on OpenVMS Alpha that could monitor an APC Smart-UPS via a serial port? I moved some equipment around and now have one UPS that ended up not being monitored, and I'd like to have the Alpha monitor it (and run shutdown.com on low battery). I did a little googling around but couldn't find anything. I've seen Powerchute for VAX but it had a rather obscene price tag attached to it. Cheers, MISER::FRED :) . The only UPS monitoring software for OpenVMS Alpha I know of is for Exide (aka Powerware) UPS's. Don't know if it would work with other UPS's as well. Regards, Kari

16 years, 4 months

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Powerchute or similar?

by fcoffey＠thrifty.misernet.net

Good afternoon ... Would anyone have a piece of software that would run on OpenVMS Alpha that could monitor an APC Smart-UPS via a serial port? I moved some equipment around and now have one UPS that ended up not being monitored, and I'd like to have the Alpha monitor it (and run shutdown.com on low battery). I did a little googling around but couldn't find anything. I've seen Powerchute for VAX but it had a rather obscene price tag attached to it. Cheers, MISER::FRED :)

16 years, 4 months

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Fwd: [HECnet] DEC fan meeting in Lake District, anyone from HECnet want to speak?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Begin forwarded message: From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> Date: 9 March 2009 22:01:54 GMT To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] DEC fan meeting in Lake District, anyone from HECnet want to speak? Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE majordomo at update.uu.se Just put a "subscribe hecnet" in the body. Johnny Sampsa Laine wrote: Oh ok, I just forgot the subscription address, someone remind me? :) Sampsa On 9 Mar 2009, at 21:42, Johnny Billquist wrote: Sampsa Laine wrote: Ladies, Gentlemen, I've been talking to a Mr Mark Williams today about some VMS related stuff, wonderfully helpful chap etc etc. Anyway, he asked me to relay this message to our mailing list in case we were interested in attending or even speaking at this "old DEC kit" gathering. If it had been any closer... ;-) Might I also suggest that we add Mr Williams to this mailing list as he's likely to be a great asset to HECnet. In general I dislike adding someone else on their behalf. I prefer that they request to subscribe themself. Johnny Sampsa Begin forwarded message: *From: *Mark Wickens <mailto:mark at wickensonline.co.uk>> While I've got your attention - I'm organising a meeting later in the year that will focus on old DEC kit - HECNET would definitely be of interest - do you know of anyone in the HECNET community who I might approach about giving a short talk? It'll be autumn this year (when I get my finger out and book a venue!) up here in the Lake District. Sounds like you might be interested in this sort of thing - do you want me to add you to the distribution list? -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

16 years, 4 months

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DEC fan meeting in Lake District, anyone from HECnet want to speak?

by bqt＠softjar.se

majordomo at update.uu.se Just put a "subscribe hecnet" in the body. Johnny Sampsa Laine wrote: Oh ok, I just forgot the subscription address, someone remind me? :) Sampsa On 9 Mar 2009, at 21:42, Johnny Billquist wrote: Sampsa Laine wrote: Ladies, Gentlemen, I've been talking to a Mr Mark Williams today about some VMS related stuff, wonderfully helpful chap etc etc. Anyway, he asked me to relay this message to our mailing list in case we were interested in attending or even speaking at this "old DEC kit" gathering. If it had been any closer... ;-) Might I also suggest that we add Mr Williams to this mailing list as he's likely to be a great asset to HECnet. In general I dislike adding someone else on their behalf. I prefer that they request to subscribe themself. Johnny Sampsa Begin forwarded message: *From: *Mark Wickens <mailto:mark at wickensonline.co.uk>> While I've got your attention - I'm organising a meeting later in the year that will focus on old DEC kit - HECNET would definitely be of interest - do you know of anyone in the HECNET community who I might approach about giving a short talk? It'll be autumn this year (when I get my finger out and book a venue!) up here in the Lake District. Sounds like you might be interested in this sort of thing - do you want me to add you to the distribution list? -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

16 years, 4 months

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DEC fan meeting in Lake District, anyone from HECnet want to speak?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Oh ok, I just forgot the subscription address, someone remind me? :) Sampsa On 9 Mar 2009, at 21:42, Johnny Billquist wrote: Sampsa Laine wrote: Ladies, Gentlemen, I've been talking to a Mr Mark Williams today about some VMS related stuff, wonderfully helpful chap etc etc. Anyway, he asked me to relay this message to our mailing list in case we were interested in attending or even speaking at this "old DEC kit" gathering. If it had been any closer... ;-) Might I also suggest that we add Mr Williams to this mailing list as he's likely to be a great asset to HECnet. In general I dislike adding someone else on their behalf. I prefer that they request to subscribe themself. Johnny Sampsa Begin forwarded message: *From: *Mark Wickens > While I've got your attention - I'm organising a meeting later in the year that will focus on old DEC kit - HECNET would definitely be of interest - do you know of anyone in the HECNET community who I might approach about giving a short talk? It'll be autumn this year (when I get my finger out and book a venue!) up here in the Lake District. Sounds like you might be interested in this sort of thing - do you want me to add you to the distribution list? -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

16 years, 4 months

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DEC fan meeting in Lake District, anyone from HECnet want to speak?

by bqt＠softjar.se

Sampsa Laine wrote: Ladies, Gentlemen, I've been talking to a Mr Mark Williams today about some VMS related stuff, wonderfully helpful chap etc etc. Anyway, he asked me to relay this message to our mailing list in case we were interested in attending or even speaking at this "old DEC kit" gathering. If it had been any closer... ;-) Might I also suggest that we add Mr Williams to this mailing list as he's likely to be a great asset to HECnet. In general I dislike adding someone else on their behalf. I prefer that they request to subscribe themself. Johnny Sampsa Begin forwarded message: *From: *Mark Wickens > While I've got your attention - I'm organising a meeting later in the year that will focus on old DEC kit - HECNET would definitely be of interest - do you know of anyone in the HECNET community who I might approach about giving a short talk? It'll be autumn this year (when I get my finger out and book a venue!) up here in the Lake District. Sounds like you might be interested in this sort of thing - do you want me to add you to the distribution list? -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

16 years, 4 months

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DEC fan meeting in Lake District, anyone from HECnet want to speak?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Ladies, Gentlemen, I've been talking to a Mr Mark Williams today about some VMS related stuff, wonderfully helpful chap etc etc. Anyway, he asked me to relay this message to our mailing list in case we were interested in attending or even speaking at this "old DEC kit" gathering. Might I also suggest that we add Mr Williams to this mailing list as he's likely to be a great asset to HECnet. Sampsa Begin forwarded message: From: Mark Wickens While I've got your attention - I'm organising a meeting later in the year that will focus on old DEC kit - HECNET would definitely be of interest - do you know of anyone in the HECNET community who I might approach about giving a short talk? It'll be autumn this year (when I get my finger out and book a venue!) up here in the Lake District. Sounds like you might be interested in this sort of thing - do you want me to add you to the distribution list?

16 years, 4 months

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DECnet-10

by gerry77＠mail.com

Hello all, does anyone here has any experience running a TOPS-10 host with DECnet-10? More than a year ago, we connected to our DECnet a KLH10 emulator running TOPS-10 and its DECnet-10 software, but we had to shut it down just after some days because it was causing us many troubles and had serious usability issues. Now we would like to try again, so I'm writing here looking for some ideas. We would prefer to use KLH10 instead of SIMH because of its quite interesting multiprocess implementation which scales way better on the hosting system. Moreover, the KLH10 emulator uses a very effective idling mechanism, by means of a special device which has to be accessed by the guest OS in its idle loop. Activation of both this idle mechanism (patching CLOCK1.MAC) and DECnet-10 requires a monitor rebuild, which should be almost easy because we have all the sources and instructions, but which is actually not so straight-forward. By reading manuals and Usenet posts, we found that we'd have to use the MONGEN procedure to rebuild the monitor. So we patched CLOCK1.MAC and answered all the relevant MONGEN questions about DECnet, but the final result was not good. (Probably we ran NETGEN too, but at the moment we are not sure about this). DECnet did start and we were able to make connections to and from the TOPS-10 host, but other parts of the system (e.g. BATCON) stopped working and, most of all, there was absolutely no idling of the KLH10 host CPU. We discovered that probably MONGEN only compiles some macro configuration files and then relinks the monitor using a prebuilt TOPS10.REL, made up from many macro files, including CLOCK1.MAC. So we need to entirely rebuild TOPS10.REL from sources, but we do not know ho to do that. The Software Installation Guide directs to Appendix B where it is suggested that, for more information about building the monitor library file (i.e. TOPS10.REL), we should read the batch control file COMPIL.CTL. Unfortunately COMPIL.CTL does NOT contain any comment or explanation. We think it is intended for somebody with a previous somewhat deep knowledge about such tasks, which we do not actually have. we are using a quite standard installation so common defaults should be fine, but there are anyway lots of totally obscure files to customize (BUILDS.MIC, BUILDS.PTH, GEN.MIC, ...). Any help, suggestion or pointer would be much appreciated! G. (http://decnet.ipv7.net)

16 years, 4 months

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What use are *you* making of HECnet?

by sampsa＠mac.com

For anyone who might be interested: I've done a tiny modification to the TETRIS game on CHIMPY, the keys are now more sensible if you don't like using a numeric keypad (I'm mostly on my Macbook Pro so I don't). So If you're bored and fancy a game of tetris, log in to CHIMPY as TETRIS and have at it. I might even send out some type of award to the high scorer of the year should there be significant take up :) Sampsa On 2 Mar 2009, at 08:12, Sampsa Laine wrote: Done. Sampsa On 2 Mar 2009, at 01:17, Steve Davidson wrote: Sampsa, Could you update the DECnet database using MIM:: please. Area 19 appears to be unknown to your system. Thanks. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 19:09 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] What use are *you* making of HECnet? Ok, so I just realised CHIMPY is in fact acting as a gateway into and out of HECnet already :) To send mail in: Address the message to "<HECNET NODE>:: <USER>"@chimpymail.sampsa.com To send mail out Address the message to CHIMPY::SMTP%"<Internet email address>" Sampsa On 1 Mar 2009, at 23:53, Peter Lothberg wrote: If I remember right, it was/is Robert Armstrong who had that up and running. LEGATO used to relay email between HECnet (using MAIL11) and the Internet/SMTP, but I quit doing that last fall when I switched registrars. There's no reason I couldn't - I just never bothered to set up the necessary domain name and mail routing again. It was pretty much never used, even by me - after all, everyone with a HECnet connection already has an Internet connection. Bob We could talk "SMTP" over DECnet..... -P

16 years, 4 months

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How do you connect to HECnet?

by marc＠bluevine.net

My system (DUSTY) is a SIMH VAX running on Linux (ubuntu JeOS) under an ESXi hypervisor. I've given the Linux system two NICs (that's easy in ESXi), one for Linux, and one dedicated to the VAX. For my purposes, I also have the VAX's interface set up on a VLAN to move it onto a separate virtual network for my "trailing edge" systems. The VAX speaks DECnet-over-MultiNet to LEGATO. Yes, the Multinet link provides a second connection into HECnet, Christine and I have been the sites routing between the two types of connections. There were also one or two people using Cisco router links as well, but I don't know if anyone still has those links up. Do we need any additional such routing points? Now that I have an ESXi system, it's trivial for me to add another small virtual machine that could act as such a bridge. --Marc

16 years, 4 months

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How do you connect to HECnet?

by jeep＠scshome.net

My NetBSD machine runs the two NIC's so that I *can* keep DECnet apart from IP. I have dedicated LAN's for each protocol here. Overkill??? Absolutely! It allows me to duplicate the multiple environments that I may encounter during the course of things. It sure does make it easier when debugging a network problem/outage. The VAXen have only one NIC and as such run only DECnet (and of course SCS traffic). IP is relegated to other machines/hardware/paths. It does take more hardware but in the end it is VERY clean. The Alpha's, on the other hand, have multiple NIC's - one for IP, one for DECnet, and one other. -Steve From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 09:16 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] How do you connect to HECnet? Weirdly enough, I have no problem with running the bridge and SIMH on the same machine - caveat: I am running on OS X. At the moment, I have the following: - Gorilla (OS X 10.4.something) running the bridge on interface 0 - GORVAX (SIMH, OpenVMS 7.3, MULTINET) running on interface 0, acting as a router between the bridge and a MULTINET tunnel to the outside - CHIMPY (running VMS 8.3, TCP/IP services), acting as an end node on the bridged network So on the main host, there's only one interface and it all works (all = DECNET, I can't get IP traffic from Gorilla to GORVAX). Sampsa On 2 Mar 2009, at 09:50, Angela Kahealani wrote: On Sunday, 2009-03-01 21:50:24 Johnny Billquist wrote: The one limitation is that it is usually problematic to have the same machine that is running the bridge also participate as a DECnet node on the same interface. Because then you need to see all your own outgoing packets. Not all hardware will do that for you. So, if you try to run in one machine, with hardware that can't see its own packets, then you need 3 interfaces, 1: To talk TCP/IP / UDP for main interface plus UDP side of bridge 2: DECnet side of bridge 3: DECnet speaking software or a machine with only one interface running the bridge program, and a machine with two interfaces, one for TCP/IP/UDP and one DECnet. Or have I still misunderstood? Aloha, Angela -- "(I'll) Be Seeing You..." All information and transactions are private between the parties, and are non negotiable. All rights reserve without prejudice, Angela Kahealani. http://kahealani.com

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