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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by andy＠smokebelch.org

Thanks to everyone for all the advice and tips etc regarding disk drives - it is most helpful and very much appreciated! Regards, Andrew On (23:48 18/09/09), gerry77 at mail.com wrote: On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:39:03 +0100, you wrote: I too have hardware in waiting - a growing collection. And if anybody is able to help I have: - A VAXstation 2000 in need of an RD53/54 and a KVM cable (mono) I would like to point out that since about 1999 it is possible to use a SCSI disk even in VAXstation 2000s, thanks to a patch that transforms the awful almost-SCSI tape interface into a fully working SCSI disk interface! :) The kit is made up of a patch for the console ROM plus patches for the SCSI port driver for OpenVMS (PK2KDRVR.EXE) and other system images. Look here: http://users.bart.nl/users/pb0aia/vax/vs-scsi.html and here: http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/vms/pk2k/ And if someone is not willing or not able to patch ROMs, there is also a boot image that can be loaded via MOP or tape to start a SCSI boot from disk. HTH, :) G. -- Andrew Back a at smokebelch.org

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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by bqt＠softjar.se

Kari Uusim ki wrote: Paul Koning wrote: Excerpt of message (sent 18 September 2009) by Kari Uusim ki: Andrew, have you tried other ST506 disks than RD53 or RD54? IIRC none of the RD disks were DEC built disks, but relabeled ones from other vendors. That's true, but I think at least in some cases (and, perhaps, on some systems, like a Pro) they required non-standard jumper configurations. Also possibly low level formatting, which might require tools that aren't easily available. paul Yes, low level formatting might be needed. If my memory serves me right, both VS2000 and the RQDX* have a low level formatting utility in the ROM. I have to check that out. The VS2000 have low level formatting routines in the firmware, the RQDX* don't. Also, you can low level format a disk several ways, which all will work, but will produce different performance numbers for the disk. The VS2000 formats the disk in a way that is optimal for the VS2000. It also works in a RQDX3 after that, but not optimally. This has to do with track skew and track interleave. Johnny

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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by bqt＠softjar.se

Brian Hechinger wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:07:21AM +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote: That could work but like you said needs quite a bit of designing to work well - I would suggest that for now we maybe set up mirrors like FTP sites do, i.e. complete copies on more than one host, this way the bandwidth load is at least shared. Does anyone have any objection to a private bittorrent tracker? It would help with the centralized management/searching/etc and if more than one person has space to keep stuff it helps everyone overall with download speeds. Just a thought. :) Speaking as someone who don't keep up with all the latest trends, do bittorrent work with something shared on DECnet? Apart from that, I don't have a problem with people setting up things, and sharing, as long as you try to keep it to legal stuff only. VMS stuff in general would appear to be ok, since you need a separate license key to run it, and the distributions as such are pretty much free. PDP-11 software is more difficult. I try to keep the stuff that is free around on MIM::, but I don't have a very good system for it right now... (I also try to keep it up to date on ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/pdp11/rsx, and I think I have it in better order there) Johnny

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DECNET proxies

by bqt＠softjar.se

Sampsa, I saw that you already got an answer which solved the problem, but I still through I'd add a comment. On CHIMPY, who were you running as? Johnny Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, I'm trying to define some proxies on RHESUS for both CHIMPY and CHIMP, but can't seem to get it to work. Basically, I've run the following command in AUTHORIZE: UAF> ADD/PROXY CHIMPY::SYSTEM SYSTEM %UAF-I-NAFADDMSG, proxy from CHIMPY::SYSTEM to SYSTEM added But then when trying to access a directory on RHESUS from CHIMPY I get the following error: CHIMPYSYS$ dir rhesus::dka0:[temp] Directory RHESUS::DKA0:[TEMP] *.*;* insufficient privilege or object protection violation The proxy database on RHESUS looks like this: UAF> show/proxy * Default proxies are flagged with (D) CHIMPY::SAMPSA SAMPSA CHIMPY::SYSTEM SYSTEM CHIMP::SYSTEM SYSTEM What am I doing wrong? Confused. Sampsa

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Connection to update

by form＠pdp-11.org.ru

Sampsa Laine wrote: Booted my router, it suddenly works again. How odd. Sampsa PS: Good thing you added the bypass, you probably don't want to be spamblocking Apple's official SMTP servers, quite a few legitimate users I should think :) Btw, this IP was 24H-blocked by ualberta.ca some days ago - I've forgot to enable database updates after upgrading of my router :)) -- I've found my old account on encompass and succesfully received OpenVMS licenses, so it's time to connect another emulator to hecnet :)) -- When I'm trying to login to chimp, sylogin tries to execute inaccessible indirect file :)) %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$SYSDEVICE:[IMAGES]SENSIBLE.COM; as input -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation

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Connection to update

by sampsa＠mac.com

Booted my router, it suddenly works again. How odd. Sampsa PS: Good thing you added the bypass, you probably don't want to be spamblocking Apple's official SMTP servers, quite a few legitimate users I should think :) On 19 Sep 2009, at 19:15, Oleg Safiullin wrote: Oleg Safiullin wrote: Sampsa Laine wrote: Is anyone else's connection to update down? I can't seem to bridge packets. Sampsa Oops. Your smtp server is catched by ualberta.ca spamtrap :) /var/log/daemon.0.gz:Sep 20 00:50:25 pdp-11 spamd[8462]: 17.148.16.94: connected (2/1), lists: uatraps /var/log/daemon.0.gz:Sep 20 00:53:46 pdp-11 spamd[8462]: (BLACK) 17.148.16.94: <sampsa at mac.com> -> <form at pdp-11.org.ru> /var/log/daemon.0.gz:Sep 20 00:55:30 pdp-11 spamd[8462]: 17.148.16.94: From: Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> /var/log/daemon.0.gz:Sep 20 00:55:30 pdp-11 spamd[8462]: 17.148.16.94: To: Oleg Safiullin <form at pdp-11.org.ru> /var/log/daemon.0.gz:Sep 20 00:55:30 pdp-11 spamd[8462]: 17.148.16.94: Subject: Re: [HECnet] Connection to update /var/log/daemon.0.gz:Sep 20 00:56:45 pdp-11 spamd[8462]: 17.148.16.94: disconnected after 380 seconds. lists: uatraps I've added this address to bypass list. Please re-send your letter :)

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Connection to update

by form＠pdp-11.org.ru

Oleg Safiullin wrote: Sampsa Laine wrote: Is anyone else's connection to update down? I can't seem to bridge packets. Sampsa Oops. Your smtp server is catched by ualberta.ca spamtrap :) /var/log/daemon.0.gz:Sep 20 00:50:25 pdp-11 spamd[8462]: 17.148.16.94: connected (2/1), lists: uatraps /var/log/daemon.0.gz:Sep 20 00:53:46 pdp-11 spamd[8462]: (BLACK) 17.148.16.94: <sampsa at mac.com> -> <form at pdp-11.org.ru> /var/log/daemon.0.gz:Sep 20 00:55:30 pdp-11 spamd[8462]: 17.148.16.94: From: Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> /var/log/daemon.0.gz:Sep 20 00:55:30 pdp-11 spamd[8462]: 17.148.16.94: To: Oleg Safiullin <form at pdp-11.org.ru> /var/log/daemon.0.gz:Sep 20 00:55:30 pdp-11 spamd[8462]: 17.148.16.94: Subject: Re: [HECnet] Connection to update /var/log/daemon.0.gz:Sep 20 00:56:45 pdp-11 spamd[8462]: 17.148.16.94: disconnected after 380 seconds. lists: uatraps I've added this address to bypass list. Please re-send your letter :)

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Re: Connection to update

by sampsa＠mac.com

Update (tee-hee): The problem was on my side, booted my router and all is well again. Sampsa On 19 Sep 2009, at 18:29, Sampsa Laine wrote: Is anyone else's connection to update down? I can't seem to bridge packets. Sampsa

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Connection to update

by sampsa＠mac.com

Booted my router, it suddenly works again. How odd. Sampsa On 19 Sep 2009, at 18:36, Oleg Safiullin wrote: Sampsa Laine wrote: Is anyone else's connection to update down? I can't seem to bridge packets. Sampsa I Can see MIM thro bridge, but CHIMP & RHESUS are unreachable... Btw, there's a bug in bridge program on HECnet site, which may cause bridge to coredump. You can look at my patch http://pdp-11.org.ru/~form/files/bridge-tap.diff which fixes the problem (and adds OpenBSD L2 tun/FreeBSD tap support). -- Buggy code fix: @@ -497,8 +644,8 @@ if (is_decnet(d)) d->type = DECnet; if (is_lat(d)) d->type = LAT; - if (bridge[d->source].types[d->type] == 0) return; if (d->type == -1) return; + if (bridge[d->source].types[d->type] == 0) return; bridge[d->source].xcount++; -- >ncp tel mim sho act nod Active nodes summary as of 20-SEP-09 00:32:49 Executor node = 1.13 (MIM) State = On, Identification = "RSX system at Update, Sweden" Remote Active Next Node State Links Delay Circuit Node 1.15 (PONDUS) Reachable UNA-0 1.15 (PONDUS) 1.250 (ORAC) Unreachable 0 4 1.251 (ZX6000) Unreachable 0 4 1.300 (CTAKAH) Reachable 1 4 UNA-0 1.300 (CTAKAH) 1.401 (CHIMPY) Unreachable 0 4 1.402 (CHIMP) Unreachable 0 4 1.403 (RHESUS) Unreachable 0 4 11.1 (VAXSYS) 0 10 11.2 (MAISA) 11.2 (MAISA) Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA) 11.3 (OLLIE) 0 4 11.2 (MAISA) 60.652 (MONK) 0 4 60.664 (PDXVAX) 60.664 (PDXVAX) Reachable UNA-0 60.664 (PDXVAX) >

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Connection to update

by form＠pdp-11.org.ru

Sampsa Laine wrote: Is anyone else's connection to update down? I can't seem to bridge packets. Sampsa I Can see MIM thro bridge, but CHIMP & RHESUS are unreachable... Btw, there's a bug in bridge program on HECnet site, which may cause bridge to coredump. You can look at my patch http://pdp-11.org.ru/~form/files/bridge-tap.diff which fixes the problem (and adds OpenBSD L2 tun/FreeBSD tap support). -- Buggy code fix: @@ -497,8 +644,8 @@ if (is_decnet(d)) d->type = DECnet; if (is_lat(d)) d->type = LAT; - if (bridge[d->source].types[d->type] == 0) return; if (d->type == -1) return; + if (bridge[d->source].types[d->type] == 0) return; bridge[d->source].xcount++; -- >ncp tel mim sho act nod Active nodes summary as of 20-SEP-09 00:32:49 Executor node = 1.13 (MIM) State = On, Identification = "RSX system at Update, Sweden" Remote Active Next Node State Links Delay Circuit Node 1.15 (PONDUS) Reachable UNA-0 1.15 (PONDUS) 1.250 (ORAC) Unreachable 0 4 1.251 (ZX6000) Unreachable 0 4 1.300 (CTAKAH) Reachable 1 4 UNA-0 1.300 (CTAKAH) 1.401 (CHIMPY) Unreachable 0 4 1.402 (CHIMP) Unreachable 0 4 1.403 (RHESUS) Unreachable 0 4 11.1 (VAXSYS) 0 10 11.2 (MAISA) 11.2 (MAISA) Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA) 11.3 (OLLIE) 0 4 11.2 (MAISA) 60.652 (MONK) 0 4 60.664 (PDXVAX) 60.664 (PDXVAX) Reachable UNA-0 60.664 (PDXVAX) >

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Connection to update

by sampsa＠mac.com

Is anyone else's connection to update down? I can't seem to bridge packets. Sampsa

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My first RSTS/E system up and running :-)

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

Nice! paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Marc Chametzky Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:04 PM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] My first RSTS/E system up and running :-) I decided that I wanted to see if I could set up a RSTS system considering I've never actually used one and managed to get it up and running. I even got DECnet up and running (finally resolving the DECnet connectivity problem I had reported back in April). I reallocated LULU (2.212) for this. If anyone wants to log in, I've set up account 100,1 as a guest account. I'm still trying to get some layered products installed like Fortran-77, but I did get DECmail installed and have confirmed that DECnet e-mail is working. For someone without previous RSTS experience, this is pretty exciting for me. :-) --Marc

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My first RSTS/E system up and running :-)

by marc＠bluevine.net

I decided that I wanted to see if I could set up a RSTS system considering I've never actually used one and managed to get it up and running. I even got DECnet up and running (finally resolving the DECnet connectivity problem I had reported back in April). I reallocated LULU (2.212) for this. If anyone wants to log in, I've set up account 100,1 as a guest account. I'm still trying to get some layered products installed like Fortran-77, but I did get DECmail installed and have confirmed that DECnet e-mail is working. For someone without previous RSTS experience, this is pretty exciting for me. :-) --Marc

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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:39:03 +0100, you wrote: I too have hardware in waiting - a growing collection. And if anybody is able to help I have: - A VAXstation 2000 in need of an RD53/54 and a KVM cable (mono) I would like to point out that since about 1999 it is possible to use a SCSI disk even in VAXstation 2000s, thanks to a patch that transforms the awful almost-SCSI tape interface into a fully working SCSI disk interface! :) The kit is made up of a patch for the console ROM plus patches for the SCSI port driver for OpenVMS (PK2KDRVR.EXE) and other system images. Look here: http://users.bart.nl/users/pb0aia/vax/vs-scsi.html and here: http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/vms/pk2k/ And if someone is not willing or not able to patch ROMs, there is also a boot image that can be loaded via MOP or tape to start a SCSI boot from disk. HTH, :) G.

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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

Sorry, but my first thought was 'nice piles'... Mark (needs to get out more!) On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 22:46 +0300, Saku Set l wrote: Kari, I got several VS2000's and other stuff. You can contact me directly. http://openvms.megabaud.fi/setala/pics/net/kanny/28112007%28002%29.jpg Regards, --Saku 2009/9/18 Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> Possibly not fully working, but mine has a problem with the console port. It doesn't allow me to type anything it only produces output. The serial port controller seems to be bad. If someone has a spare motherboard, I'm very interested. :-) Kari -- Website - http://www.wickensonline.co.uk Blog - http://blog.wickensonline.co.uk

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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by setala＠gmail.com

Kari, I got several VS2000's and other stuff. You can contact me directly. http://openvms.megabaud.fi/setala/pics/net/kanny/28112007%28002%29.jpg Regards, --Saku 2009/9/18 Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> Possibly not fully working, but mine has a problem with the console port. It doesn't allow me to type anything it only produces output. The serial port controller seems to be bad. If someone has a spare motherboard, I'm very interested. :-) Kari

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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

Zane H. Healy wrote: On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, Steve Davidson wrote: Of the two (2), only the VS2000 has the formatter built-in. The formatter on the VS2000 will format drives compatible with the RQDX3, maybe even the RQDX2 and/or RQDX1. I seem to remember that "test 70" does the trick. -Steve Not only that, but I've been able to successfully format a Maxtor XT 2190 as an RD54 using my VS2000, in spite of the fact the VS2000 is broken. My VS2000 has bad RAM, and maybe other issues, so I know it doesn't need to be fully working to do the format. The Customer diagnostics tape for a standard MVII can't do the format, but a FE Diag tape can. Has anyone ever imaged a FE tape? Zane . Possibly not fully working, but mine has a problem with the console port. It doesn't allow me to type anything it only produces output. The serial port controller seems to be bad. If someone has a spare motherboard, I'm very interested. :-) Kari

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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, Steve Davidson wrote: Of the two (2), only the VS2000 has the formatter built-in. The formatter on the VS2000 will format drives compatible with the RQDX3, maybe even the RQDX2 and/or RQDX1. I seem to remember that "test 70" does the trick. -Steve Not only that, but I've been able to successfully format a Maxtor XT 2190 as an RD54 using my VS2000, in spite of the fact the VS2000 is broken. My VS2000 has bad RAM, and maybe other issues, so I know it doesn't need to be fully working to do the format. The Customer diagnostics tape for a standard MVII can't do the format, but a FE Diag tape can. Has anyone ever imaged a FE tape? Zane

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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by jeep＠scshome.net

Of the two (2), only the VS2000 has the formatter built-in. The formatter on the VS2000 will format drives compatible with the RQDX3, maybe even the RQDX2 and/or RQDX1. I seem to remember that "test 70" does the trick. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Kari Uusim ki Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:45 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed? Paul Koning wrote: Excerpt of message (sent 18 September 2009) by Kari Uusim ki: Andrew, have you tried other ST506 disks than RD53 or RD54? IIRC none of the RD disks were DEC built disks, but relabeled ones from other vendors. That's true, but I think at least in some cases (and, perhaps, on some systems, like a Pro) they required non-standard jumper configurations. Also possibly low level formatting, which might require tools that aren't easily available. paul . Yes, low level formatting might be needed. If my memory serves me right, both VS2000 and the RQDX* have a low level formatting utility in the ROM. I have to check that out. Kari

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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

Paul Koning wrote: Excerpt of message (sent 18 September 2009) by Kari Uusim ki: Andrew, have you tried other ST506 disks than RD53 or RD54? IIRC none of the RD disks were DEC built disks, but relabeled ones from other vendors. That's true, but I think at least in some cases (and, perhaps, on some systems, like a Pro) they required non-standard jumper configurations. Also possibly low level formatting, which might require tools that aren't easily available. paul . Yes, low level formatting might be needed. If my memory serves me right, both VS2000 and the RQDX* have a low level formatting utility in the ROM. I have to check that out. Kari

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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by Paul_Koning＠dell.com

Excerpt of message (sent 18 September 2009) by Kari Uusim ki: Andrew, have you tried other ST506 disks than RD53 or RD54? IIRC none of the RD disks were DEC built disks, but relabeled ones from other vendors. That's true, but I think at least in some cases (and, perhaps, on some systems, like a Pro) they required non-standard jumper configurations. Also possibly low level formatting, which might require tools that aren't easily available. paul

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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

Andrew Back wrote: On (12:17 18/09/09), Kari Uusim?ki wrote: Very good point! I agree. Unfortunately I have the same situation as G?ran and my hardware is waiting for a glorious future. But the winter is coming and (running) computers provide heat. ;-) I too have hardware in waiting - a growing collection. And if anybody is able to help I have: - A VAXstation 2000 in need of an RD53/54 and a KVM cable (mono) - A VAXstation II/GPX missing the GPX board, TK50, RD53/54 and Ethernet - A PDP11/53 missing RD53/54 and Ethernet A lot of wants, I know (and worse still RDs!) :o/ Cheers, Andrew Andrew, have you tried other ST506 disks than RD53 or RD54? IIRC none of the RD disks were DEC built disks, but relabeled ones from other vendors. I found earlier many ST506 disks for sale on Ebay. Unfortunately my VS2000 has a problem with the motherboard and I cannot test the disks I have right now. TK50's shouldn't either be very difficult to find. A DELQA should also be easily found. Have you tried Ebay? Regards, Kari

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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

Ok, I'll start looking to pull that together. It'll be a couple weeks till I can get the new machine into colo (I'm not installing anything new on the old colo box since it's a complete POS). I'll let you all know when it's ready. -brian On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 02:24:06PM +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote: That would work quite well, let me know when it's up. Sampsa On 18 Sep 2009, at 14:12, Brian Hechinger wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:07:21AM +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote: That could work but like you said needs quite a bit of designing to work well - I would suggest that for now we maybe set up mirrors like FTP sites do, i.e. complete copies on more than one host, this way the bandwidth load is at least shared. Does anyone have any objection to a private bittorrent tracker? It would help with the centralized management/searching/etc and if more than one person has space to keep stuff it helps everyone overall with download speeds. Just a thought. :) -brian -- "Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435) -- "Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)

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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by andy＠smokebelch.org

On (12:17 18/09/09), Kari Uusim?ki wrote: Very good point! I agree. Unfortunately I have the same situation as G?ran and my hardware is waiting for a glorious future. But the winter is coming and (running) computers provide heat. ;-) I too have hardware in waiting - a growing collection. And if anybody is able to help I have: - A VAXstation 2000 in need of an RD53/54 and a KVM cable (mono) - A VAXstation II/GPX missing the GPX board, TK50, RD53/54 and Ethernet - A PDP11/53 missing RD53/54 and Ethernet A lot of wants, I know (and worse still RDs!) :o/ Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Back a at smokebelch.org

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Modest proposal: Media library - Distributed?

by sampsa＠mac.com

That would work quite well, let me know when it's up. Sampsa On 18 Sep 2009, at 14:12, Brian Hechinger wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:07:21AM +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote: That could work but like you said needs quite a bit of designing to work well - I would suggest that for now we maybe set up mirrors like FTP sites do, i.e. complete copies on more than one host, this way the bandwidth load is at least shared. Does anyone have any objection to a private bittorrent tracker? It would help with the centralized management/searching/etc and if more than one person has space to keep stuff it helps everyone overall with download speeds. Just a thought. :) -brian -- "Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)

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