On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:49:43 +0100, Johnny Billquist wrote:
This is Europe, remember...
Normal mains are 230V, and 3-phase are 410V phase to phase. All the DEC
equipment around here are designed to run on that stuff.
Aehm, shouldn't it be 230 * SQRT(3) = 398 (rounded up to 400) or the other way
400 / SQRT(3) = 230 (slighty rounded down)? :)
Actually, if I'm not wrong, 400 volts should be just a nominal standard voltage,
and some European countries have different real voltages, but they would be
still in range because of the allowed drift (something around plus/minus 6-10%).
I think there is something about that in Wikipedia. Again: if I'm not wrong. :)
Indeed here in Italy nominal household voltage was 220 volts up until few years
ago, and it still is: just now I have a 219 volts reading at the outlet, and I
live downtown in a quite big northern city (i.e. not countryside).
In everyday speaking even electricians still refer to 3-phase 400 volt power as
"three eighty" (lit. tre ottanta) i.e. the old 380 volt nominal voltage. :)
HTH,
G.
P.S. I think that the UK may still be on 240/415 actual voltage even if they
adhere to the European standards about the unified 230/400 delivery.
Send me your SSH key to sampsa at mac.com, I'll create an upload account for you.
sampsa
On 26 Jan 2015, at 17:34, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
I can get all my stuff over to you now that I have a decent uplink speed.
On 26 January 2015 at 15:33, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Someone mentioned a site where I could download layered product / SDL CDs?
I've just set up a new node with pretty much limitless (well up to 2-3 TB) of room on a fast link, I figured I could mirror the contents of these for other HECnet users' convenience, sort of like I did with RHESUS.
I'm also happy to mirror pretty much anything else DEC related, accessible both via HTTP and HECnet.
Sampsa
Here s my collection:
http://www.vaxhaven.com/CD_Image_Archive
Ian
On Jan 26, 2015, at 7:33 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Someone mentioned a site where I could download layered product / SDL CDs?
I've just set up a new node with pretty much limitless (well up to 2-3 TB) of room on a fast link, I figured I could mirror the contents of these for other HECnet users' convenience, sort of like I did with RHESUS.
I'm also happy to mirror pretty much anything else DEC related, accessible both via HTTP and HECnet.
Sampsa
I can get all my stuff over to you now that I have a decent uplink speed.
On 26 January 2015 at 15:33, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Someone mentioned a site where I could download layered product / SDL CDs?
I've just set up a new node with pretty much limitless (well up to 2-3 TB) of room on a fast link, I figured I could mirror the contents of these for other HECnet users' convenience, sort of like I did with RHESUS.
I'm also happy to mirror pretty much anything else DEC related, accessible both via HTTP and HECnet.
Sampsa
Someone mentioned a site where I could download layered product / SDL CDs?
I've just set up a new node with pretty much limitless (well up to 2-3 TB) of room on a fast link, I figured I could mirror the contents of these for other HECnet users' convenience, sort of like I did with RHESUS.
I'm also happy to mirror pretty much anything else DEC related, accessible both via HTTP and HECnet.
Sampsa
On 2015-01-26 09:32, John Wilson wrote:
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
What? Don't all houses have lots of 3-phase 16A 410V? :-)
Holy crap! Kind of volty for my toys but I'm impressed anyway.
I'm trying to picture what normal people use that kind of power
for. It'd be fun to build a 3-phase 410-volt toaster, but I doubt
that's a common item.
This is Europe, remember...
Normal mains are 230V, and 3-phase are 410V phase to phase. All the DEC equipment around here are designed to run on that stuff.
Johnny
Don't you mean the toast and toaster???
-Steve
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 26, 2015, at 08:34, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On Jan 26, 2015, at 3:32 AM, John Wilson <wilson at dbit.com> wrote:
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
What? Don't all houses have lots of 3-phase 16A 410V? :-)
Holy crap! Kind of volty for my toys but I'm impressed anyway.
I'm trying to picture what normal people use that kind of power
for. It'd be fun to build a 3-phase 410-volt toaster, but I doubt
that's a common item.
HOLY CRAP THE TOAST IS DONE AND I HAVEN T EVEN PUSHED THE BUTTON YET!!!!
-brian
On Jan 26, 2015, at 3:32 AM, John Wilson <wilson at dbit.com> wrote:
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
What? Don't all houses have lots of 3-phase 16A 410V? :-)
Holy crap! Kind of volty for my toys but I'm impressed anyway.
I'm trying to picture what normal people use that kind of power
for. It'd be fun to build a 3-phase 410-volt toaster, but I doubt
that's a common item.
HOLY CRAP THE TOAST IS DONE AND I HAVEN T EVEN PUSHED THE BUTTON YET!!!!
-brian
By the way, if anybody has use for an emulated (EmuVM, 1 CPU, 512 MB RAM, couple hundred GB disk) Alpha, let me know.
I've got some spare capacity on my hosting setup.
sampsa
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
What? Don't all houses have lots of 3-phase 16A 410V? :-)
Holy crap! Kind of volty for my toys but I'm impressed anyway.
I'm trying to picture what normal people use that kind of power
for. It'd be fun to build a 3-phase 410-volt toaster, but I doubt
that's a common item.
John Wilson
D Bit
On 1/25/2015 6:27 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-01-25 22:06, John Wilson wrote:
From: Steve Davidson <steve at davidson.net>
Is your "lab" in your dining room?
That's where all the 20A outlets are! (For hot plates etc. I guess, but
also good for soldering irons and twist-lock adapters within reason.)
What? Don't all houses have lots of 3-phase 16A 410V? :-)
(OK, so I did pick mine with a twisted mind, but sadly I then moved to another country and all my computers in Sweden are just sitting there powered off..)
Johnny
I am lucky, when we rented the house we are in, I asked and got permission from the landlord to run 3 30A 120V lines to the basement. Each line (at the time) had 1 APC 3000 UPS attached and these powered (at various times) my collection of Alphas, Integrities and one MicroVAX and their attendant storage. Heat during the summer ended up being my main enemy. In the winter I just opened up a window and let the cool air in. In the summer I needed a window A/C unit in the basement right next to the system racks. This pushed my summer power bill up to the $800/mo range so reluctantly, I shut most down and now only run them when I have a chance.
My house (Netherlands) is wired to all three phases of the mains grid. The default configuration is that just one phase gets a primary fuse (32A). Unless you've decided not to cook on a gas-fired stove in which case all phases get a fuse.
The max value for a primary fuse is higher, 64A possibly.
The primary fuse box is sealed. Behind it are secondary fuses, in my case 6 x 16A. Which allows you to blow the primary fuse. It gets repaired free of charge, but only once (every n years).
I run all my real iron on one 16A fuse.
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Number of nodes online a bit low?
On 2015-01-25 22:06, John Wilson wrote:
From: Steve Davidson <steve at davidson.net>
Is your "lab" in your dining room?
That's where all the 20A outlets are! (For hot plates etc. I guess, but
also good for soldering irons and twist-lock adapters within reason.)
What? Don't all houses have lots of 3-phase 16A 410V? :-)
(OK, so I did pick mine with a twisted mind, but sadly I then moved to
another country and all my computers in Sweden are just sitting there
powered off..)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 1/25/2015 3:39 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
Local pickup from a friend who no longer had a need. I offered to take them and give them a good home.
-Steve
Should 4 ever be a little too much, I'd gladly provide a good home for one. I've been looking for a real PDP-11 to go with my real (micro)VAX and real Alpha and real Integrity systems. Although most of my stuff isn't that old (late 90's), if there is anything you're looking for in trade...
Are you anywhere convenient to Cincinnati, Ohio?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 25, 2015, at 15:35, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/25/2015 10:50 AM, steve at davidson.net wrote:
There is ALWAYS room for a REAL PDP-11! :-)
:-)
I just picked up four (4) PDP-11/73's in the BA23 boxes.
Hey, were those from (or via) Jay West just last week?
-Dave
I inquired about those, but, of course, I was way late and missed out.
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
New Kensington, PA
John H. Reinhardt
On Sun, 25 Jan 2015, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm looking for one of those, I would've either paid my or your return airfare to pick that up.
Well, shoot. If I had known that ... :)
I will keep my eyes and ears open. They don't come around often, but when they do ....
Fred
On 2015-01-25 22:06, John Wilson wrote:
From: Steve Davidson <steve at davidson.net>
Is your "lab" in your dining room?
That's where all the 20A outlets are! (For hot plates etc. I guess, but
also good for soldering irons and twist-lock adapters within reason.)
What? Don't all houses have lots of 3-phase 16A 410V? :-)
(OK, so I did pick mine with a twisted mind, but sadly I then moved to another country and all my computers in Sweden are just sitting there powered off..)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 25 Jan 2015, at 23:35, Fred <fcoffey at misernet.net> wrote:
For instance, this might be non DEC but I was offered a semi-decent AS/400 system relatively recently, and declined as I hadn't the slightest idea on what I'd do with it. I was *this* close.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....
I'm looking for one of those, I would've either paid my or your return airfare to pick that up.
Damn it.
Sampsa
Yeah, if anyone has any spare VT180s or VT340s, I'll take those too.
Or DEC Rainbows.
sampsa
On 25 Jan 2015, at 22:31, Robert Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
The VAX780 node in area 5 is my own SIMH instance running on a Raspberry Pi, with the area router being my user mode router that is running on a small server I always keep running. Other nodes will only pop up from time to time, but the Raspberry Pi uses so little power that of course I can keep it running permanently.
I agree though, there is always that trepidation when powering something on. Now, if you no longer want that DECstation 5000/240 you only have to let me know . J
Regards
Rob
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Wickens
Sent: 25 January 2015 20:08
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Number of nodes online a bit low?
Well, I decided to trim the collection of fat over the past year or so. I haven't regretted it. There are still 3100s in the garage that really need to go to the skip - out of 5 of them I couldn't get one to work. The ZX6000 went, and I now have SLAVE (AlphaServer 1000A), BUBBLE (4000/90 with BA356 pack) and ORAC all up and running on simulators on a DL380 G5. BUBBLE is a 4-cpu VAX MP instance. SIMVAX - a straight SIMH instance running on an HP Microserver - has been serving http://hecnet.eu for the past 18 months or so.
I do like some real hardware BTW - I'm not a complete heathen, but it's nice to have all that available without having to root through for cables, transceivers etc. etc. and especially nice not having that cringing feeling every time I hit the power switch. Probably most of all however is that I can run some powerful VAX simulators 24/7 without having to worry *too much* about the cost.
I stayed away from emulation for a long time, but so far with a bit of perseverance I'm not regretting it.
On 25 January 2015 at 19:37, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2015-01-25 20:32, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Civilised? They invented the freaking alphabet 30 km north of my
apartment.
The current population just tends towards the trigger-happy and
sectarian but it's pretty normal here, aside from the fucking power cuts.
But I love it here - I can go diving in the summer and going skiing
tomorrow.
Besides, where else can I can get a top floor apartment in a good area
with a view of the mountains AND the sea for these kinds of prices?
Also, the REALLY good food is like 70% cheaper than
London/Paris/Dubai/HK etc..
[...] And power 20h a day, with glitches, from one source, and 4h a day with glitches from another source... I think I'll pass. :-)
I think I'll keep Beirut, buy a UPS if when I get non-laptop computers.
UPS? Non-laptop... Well, I'd say that the kind of computers I'm thinking of, the UPS required is rather large... Most UPSes are mostly good for just laptops. ;-) Johnny
Sampsa On 25 Jan 2015, at 21:18, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
On 2015-01-25 19:31, Sampsa Laine wrote:
And the worst thing about it - I've got LOADS of room for this thing,
I live alone in 150 sq m flat (well I have a cat, so that's like 1.3
people).
I just don't have the power infrastructure to run it. And NO I am NOT
buying my own diesel generator.
How about moving back to a civilized country? Johnny
On 25 Jan 2015, at 20:13, John Wilson <wilson at dbit.com <mailto:wilson at dbit.com>> wrote:
From: Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com<mailto:sampsa at mac.com>>
< but >
However
< I really had nowhere to put it >
I could not find sufficient space for such a large object anywhere =
reasonable.
Yeah that's the part that's just line noise. What are you sitting on
right now? Couldn't it be a PDP-11 instead? And do you sleep lying
down? That space could be put to better use.
John Wilson (whose dining room has an 11/34a and an 11/93 in it, kitchen
has two RK05s, living room has a BA23 with a Mentec CPU, etc. etc. etc.)
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email:bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se> || Reading
murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 01/25/2015 04:35 PM, Fred wrote:
For instance, this might be non DEC but I was offered a semi-decent
AS/400 system relatively recently, and declined as I hadn't the
slightest idea on what I'd do with it. I was *this* close.
Familiarity with AS/400s can very handy for "backup employment" purposes.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
New Kensington, PA
On Sun, 25 Jan 2015, John Wilson wrote:
That's where all the 20A outlets are! (For hot plates etc. I guess, but
also good for soldering irons and twist-lock adapters within reason.)
Someday I'd like to run more outlets including 220 to the home office, where all of the stuff is. I've had to delcline systems with hefty power requirements (hefty being more than I have available without involving an electrician)
I get offers from time to time for systems, but I want to be able to *do* something with them. Plus, the power bill.
Also, FWIW - MISER and FRUGAL are up (MISER is a real Alphaserver DS10, FRUGAL is an emulated VAX) and I can reach MIM via LEGATO at present.
For instance, this might be non DEC but I was offered a semi-decent AS/400 system relatively recently, and declined as I hadn't the slightest idea on what I'd do with it. I was *this* close.
Fred
---
$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$MESSAGE (2928)
%SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
From: Steve Davidson <steve at davidson.net>
Is your "lab" in your dining room?
That's where all the 20A outlets are! (For hot plates etc. I guess, but
also good for soldering irons and twist-lock adapters within reason.)
John Wilson
D Bit
Excellent. Good score. Boot 'em up! It's good for the soul!
-Dave
On 01/25/2015 03:39 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
Local pickup from a friend who no longer had a need. I offered to take them and give them a good home.
-Steve
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 25, 2015, at 15:35, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/25/2015 10:50 AM, steve at davidson.net wrote:
There is ALWAYS room for a REAL PDP-11! :-)
:-)
I just picked up four (4) PDP-11/73's in the BA23 boxes.
Hey, were those from (or via) Jay West just last week?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
New Kensington, PA
Is your "lab" in your dining room? My wife would shoot me if I did that - so they are in a dedicated room. Nothing but systems... And white noise of course
-Steve
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 25, 2015, at 15:39, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Stuart - I'm not worried about hanging on to them as long as they go to someone in the end. I'd be very surprised if you couldn't patch at least one together but at the moment my head and dining room aren't up for the challenge.
Mark.
On 25 January 2015 at 20:37, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/25/2015 01:13 PM, John Wilson wrote:
>> I could not find sufficient space for such a large object anywhere =
>> reasonable.
>
> Yeah that's the part that's just line noise. What are you sitting on
> right now? Couldn't it be a PDP-11 instead? And do you sleep lying
> down? That space could be put to better use.
I like the way you think, John. B-)
> John Wilson (whose dining room has an 11/34a and an 11/93 in it, kitchen
> has two RK05s, living room has a BA23 with a Mentec CPU, etc. etc. etc.)
Excellent.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
New Kensington, PA
I should visit that mecca to DEC computing at some point Steve, if invited
Mark.
On 25 January 2015 at 20:39, Steve Davidson <steve at davidson.net> wrote:
Local pickup from a friend who no longer had a need. I offered to take them and give them a good home.
-Steve
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 25, 2015, at 15:35, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>
>> On 01/25/2015 10:50 AM, steve at davidson.net wrote:
>> There is ALWAYS room for a REAL PDP-11! :-)
>
> :-)
>
>> I just picked up four (4) PDP-11/73's in the BA23 boxes.
>
> Hey, were those from (or via) Jay West just last week?
>
> -Dave
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
> New Kensington, PA
Hi Stuart - I'm not worried about hanging on to them as long as they go to someone in the end. I'd be very surprised if you couldn't patch at least one together but at the moment my head and dining room aren't up for the challenge.
Mark.
On 25 January 2015 at 20:37, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/25/2015 01:13 PM, John Wilson wrote:
>> I could not find sufficient space for such a large object anywhere =
>> reasonable.
>
> Yeah that's the part that's just line noise. What are you sitting on
> right now? Couldn't it be a PDP-11 instead? And do you sleep lying
> down? That space could be put to better use.
I like the way you think, John. B-)
> John Wilson (whose dining room has an 11/34a and an 11/93 in it, kitchen
> has two RK05s, living room has a BA23 with a Mentec CPU, etc. etc. etc.)
Excellent.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
New Kensington, PA
Local pickup from a friend who no longer had a need. I offered to take them and give them a good home.
-Steve
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 25, 2015, at 15:35, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/25/2015 10:50 AM, steve at davidson.net wrote:
There is ALWAYS room for a REAL PDP-11! :-)
:-)
I just picked up four (4) PDP-11/73's in the BA23 boxes.
Hey, were those from (or via) Jay West just last week?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
New Kensington, PA
