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by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

Fred wrote: On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Kari Uusim ki wrote: When you have selected the Infoserver service where you have the distribution, does is show up as a (LAST) connection on the Infoserver? You can see the connected clients by useing the Infoserver management command: Infoserver> show last I am not sure how to determine this. When I boot the VAX and give it the ISL boot file, make it look for services, it comes back with something similar to: (the VAX is off and I'm ssh'ed in from somewhere at the moment so this is from memory) Services on MISER 00-xx-xx-xx-xx <-phy MAC of MISER # 1 VAXVMS073 Choose: I choose #1, and then it just sits. Have you checked that the SYSBOOT.EXE is continuous? Directory LDA3:[000000.SYS0.SYSEXE] SYSBOOT.EXE;1 File ID: (935,1,0) Size: 137/144 Owner: [SYSTEM] Created: 16-MAR-2001 03:09:12.56 Revised: 2-APR-2001 16:07:46.06 (2) Expires: <None specified> Backup: <No backup recorded> Effective: <None specified> Recording: <None specified> Accessed: <None specified> Attributes: <None specified> Modified: <None specified> Linkcount: 1 File organization: Sequential Shelved state: Online Caching attribute: Writethrough File attributes: Allocation: 144, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0 No version limit, Contiguous Record format: Fixed length 512 byte records Record attributes: None RMS attributes: None Journaling enabled: None File protection: System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World: Access Cntrl List: None Client attributes: None Total of 1 file, 137/144 blocks. Fred Well, I'm not sure if you need to do it in this case, but it doesn't hurt if you do the following on the LD disk $ mc writeboot Select to update the VAX bootblock on the LD disk. If you have already done it, please ignore this. Regards, Kari

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by fcoffey＠thrifty.misernet.net

On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Kari Uusim ki wrote: When you have selected the Infoserver service where you have the distribution, does is show up as a (LAST) connection on the Infoserver? I am not sure how to determine this. When I boot the VAX and give it the ISL boot file, make it look for services, it comes back with something similar to: (the VAX is off and I'm ssh'ed in from somewhere at the moment so this is from memory) Services on MISER 00-xx-xx-xx-xx <-phy MAC of MISER # 1 VAXVMS073 Choose: I choose #1, and then it just sits. Have you checked that the SYSBOOT.EXE is continuous? Directory LDA3:[000000.SYS0.SYSEXE] SYSBOOT.EXE;1 File ID: (935,1,0) Size: 137/144 Owner: [SYSTEM] Created: 16-MAR-2001 03:09:12.56 Revised: 2-APR-2001 16:07:46.06 (2) Expires: <None specified> Backup: <No backup recorded> Effective: <None specified> Recording: <None specified> Accessed: <None specified> Attributes: <None specified> Modified: <None specified> Linkcount: 1 File organization: Sequential Shelved state: Online Caching attribute: Writethrough File attributes: Allocation: 144, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0 No version limit, Contiguous Record format: Fixed length 512 byte records Record attributes: None RMS attributes: None Journaling enabled: None File protection: System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World: Access Cntrl List: None Client attributes: None Total of 1 file, 137/144 blocks. Fred

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by fcoffey＠thrifty.misernet.net

On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, gerry77 at mail.com wrote: Do you have a working CR-ROM drive at least on the Alpha system? Have you tried serving a real CD-ROM and not a LD device? I *had* a working CDROM on the Alpha, but for whatever reason it is now broke. :( I have plenty of IDE drives laying around, and that is going to be my project tonight - install a new IDE CDROM, and try to serve the CD from there instead of an LD device. Just out of my curiosity: does Wireshark dissect the LAD/LAST protocol or just identifies it (by its Ethertype)? It just detects the Ethertype. It doesn't claim to know anything other than that ... If you have another system around (VAX or Alpha doesn't matter), you may want to try to connect to the Infoserver with the LAD client to ensure that Chicken and egg: I many two other VAXen around, but they are all in the same situation as my 4000, no OS. Type something like the following: [cut] I tried this *locally* from MISER (which is serving the disk) and it works. Not sure if this is a fair test. Tonight when I get home after getting finished with $dayjob I'm going to continue banging on this ... I had a nice conversation with Steve Davidson yesterday he's also attempting to get me straightened out. I always find it amazing on (most) mailing lists how quickly help comes when someone needs it! I'll keep the list posted on my progress. Fred

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by gerry77＠mail.com

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:03:50 -0500 (EST), you wrote: The VAX boots to this file fine.( "b /r5:100 eza0" ) If I make it search for Infoserver services, it finds the 7.3 distribution service that I set up using LDDRIVER on the Alpha. However, when I try to select it (and hopefully make it "boot" from it) it just sits there for a long time, eventually saying: %ISL-F-BADOPEN, unable to locate SYSBOOT Do you have a working CR-ROM drive at least on the Alpha system? Have you tried serving a real CD-ROM and not a LD device? Running wireshark doesn't reveal much - I see the "DEC LAST" protocol running on the wire, but that's about it. At this point it *has* to be something simple. Just out of my curiosity: does Wireshark dissect the LAD/LAST protocol or just identifies it (by its Ethertype)? Would anyone have anything obvious I should be checking? I have a feeling I'm *this* close ... :) If you have another system around (VAX or Alpha doesn't matter), you may want to try to connect to the Infoserver with the LAD client to ensure that the service is really working and not just appearing on the network. Type something like the following: $ @SYS$STARTUP:ESS$STARTUP DISK $ LADCP = "$SYS$SYSTEM:ESS$LADCP" $ LADCP BIND <service_name> $ MOUNT <DAD$service_name> <served_volume_label> Then try to do some DIR and such, to see if the disk is remotely readable... HTH, G.

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by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

Hi Fred, When you have selected the Infoserver service where you have the distribution, does is show up as a (LAST) connection on the Infoserver? Have you checked that the SYSBOOT.EXE is continuous? Regards, Kari Fred wrote: Good evening everyone: This weekend I have been trying to make my VAXStation 4000-90A come to life. It won't boot off the CD (an NEC Multispin 4X, perhaps it doesn't speak 512/2048?) so I took the next route of trying to make it boot of my Alpha's (MISER) host base Infoserver. I copied the ISL_SVAX_073.SYS file off of my 7.3 distribution from Montagar (it was in [sys0.sysexe]) to mom$load and did all the NCP statements to make MISER aware of the new soon-to-be-node, FRUGAL. The VAX boots to this file fine.( "b /r5:100 eza0" ) If I make it search for Infoserver services, it finds the 7.3 distribution service that I set up using LDDRIVER on the Alpha. However, when I try to select it (and hopefully make it "boot" from it) it just sits there for a long time, eventually saying: %ISL-F-BADOPEN, unable to locate SYSBOOT Running wireshark doesn't reveal much - I see the "DEC LAST" protocol running on the wire, but that's about it. At this point it *has* to be something simple. Would anyone have anything obvious I should be checking? I have a feeling I'm *this* close ... :) Cheers, Fred ---- Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they prefer is not that which they view as the current direction. .

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by jeep＠scshome.net

Fred, Send me the MAC address of your ethernet adapter (on the VAX). I can enable remote boot from my end. It will be slower than local, but you will be able to do whatever you need to the system and its disks. Using VMS phone I can walk you thru it in pseudo-real-time... :-) I will be on STARS2:: -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Fred Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 21:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: RE: [HECnet] Boot VAX from Alpha host Infoserver? On Sun, 22 Nov 2009, Steve Davidson wrote: Which model are you using? I may have one here to check. NEC Multispin 4X model CDR-601 (it's external). Re: number of drives in the 90A. There's just one at the moment, but I have a BA3xx shelf that I've been sacrificing drives out of. It's just a screwdriver away to get more (it was fully populated). Re #2: login to MISER. If the above two ideas fail, I'll whip together an account for you to look around. Fred

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by fcoffey＠thrifty.misernet.net

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009, Steve Davidson wrote: Which model are you using? I may have one here to check. NEC Multispin 4X model CDR-601 (it's external). Re: number of drives in the 90A. There's just one at the moment, but I have a BA3xx shelf that I've been sacrificing drives out of. It's just a screwdriver away to get more (it was fully populated). Re #2: login to MISER. If the above two ideas fail, I'll whip together an account for you to look around. Fred

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by jeep＠scshome.net

If you wish I could login to you alpha and take a look around. I can either set host or come in via LAT. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Fred Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 21:37 To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: RE: [HECnet] Boot VAX from Alpha host Infoserver? On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 21:18 -0500, Steve Davidson wrote: Did you by chance enable broadcasts to your system console on the Alpha so that you could monitor the actual requests that the Alpha will/should (hopefully) see? This might give a clue to what is missing/wrong... (resent because I think I'm subscribed to the mailing list with a couple variants of misernet.net ....) Hi Steve, Yes I did. In fact I see the "load request" start and succeed when it grabs the ISL_SVAX_073 file - but other than that, there are no other broadcasts while logged in as SYSTEM with reply/enable set. I have found a site with jumper settings for this NEC drive, but I don't see a reference to sector size. I think I'm going to modify the "factory reserved" jumpers one at a time, thinking perhaps one of those is it. Fred

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by jeep＠scshome.net

Fred, How many disk drives do you have in the 90A? I may have another idea - a variation on a theme as it were... -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Fred Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 21:37 To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: RE: [HECnet] Boot VAX from Alpha host Infoserver? On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 21:18 -0500, Steve Davidson wrote: Did you by chance enable broadcasts to your system console on the Alpha so that you could monitor the actual requests that the Alpha will/should (hopefully) see? This might give a clue to what is missing/wrong... (resent because I think I'm subscribed to the mailing list with a couple variants of misernet.net ....) Hi Steve, Yes I did. In fact I see the "load request" start and succeed when it grabs the ISL_SVAX_073 file - but other than that, there are no other broadcasts while logged in as SYSTEM with reply/enable set. I have found a site with jumper settings for this NEC drive, but I don't see a reference to sector size. I think I'm going to modify the "factory reserved" jumpers one at a time, thinking perhaps one of those is it. Fred

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by jeep＠scshome.net

Fred, Which model are you using? I may have one here to check. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Fred Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 21:37 To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: RE: [HECnet] Boot VAX from Alpha host Infoserver? On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 21:18 -0500, Steve Davidson wrote: Did you by chance enable broadcasts to your system console on the Alpha so that you could monitor the actual requests that the Alpha will/should (hopefully) see? This might give a clue to what is missing/wrong... (resent because I think I'm subscribed to the mailing list with a couple variants of misernet.net ....) Hi Steve, Yes I did. In fact I see the "load request" start and succeed when it grabs the ISL_SVAX_073 file - but other than that, there are no other broadcasts while logged in as SYSTEM with reply/enable set. I have found a site with jumper settings for this NEC drive, but I don't see a reference to sector size. I think I'm going to modify the "factory reserved" jumpers one at a time, thinking perhaps one of those is it. Fred

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by fcoffey＠thrifty.misernet.net

On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 21:18 -0500, Steve Davidson wrote: Did you by chance enable broadcasts to your system console on the Alpha so that you could monitor the actual requests that the Alpha will/should (hopefully) see? This might give a clue to what is missing/wrong... (resent because I think I'm subscribed to the mailing list with a couple variants of misernet.net ....) Hi Steve, Yes I did. In fact I see the "load request" start and succeed when it grabs the ISL_SVAX_073 file - but other than that, there are no other broadcasts while logged in as SYSTEM with reply/enable set. I have found a site with jumper settings for this NEC drive, but I don't see a reference to sector size. I think I'm going to modify the "factory reserved" jumpers one at a time, thinking perhaps one of those is it. Fred

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by jeep＠scshome.net

I have two of the 6-stack units (624x). They work GREAT! Some of the VAXen see all 6 drives, some do not. The VAXcluster boot member for the STARS2 cluster has one on it right now (serverd to the whole cluster). -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Zane H. Healy Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 20:28 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: RE: [HECnet] Boot VAX from Alpha host Infoserver? At 9:11 PM -0500 11/22/09, Steve Davidson wrote: Oh, the NEC Multispin 4x may just work. I use these. You will have to set one of the dip switches that changes it from 2048 bytes to 512 bytes. A search on the web should be able to give you the correct switch. I love the old NEC Mulitspin's, I have an 8x caddy drive in my PDP-11. They're the only non-DEC drives I've been able to find that works with some of my older DEC gear. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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by jeep＠scshome.net

Just remembered... Did you by chance enable broadcasts to your system console on the Alpha so that you could monitor the actual requests that the Alpha will/should (hopefully) see? This might give a clue to what is missing/wrong... -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Fred Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 21:04 To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: [HECnet] Boot VAX from Alpha host Infoserver? Good evening everyone: This weekend I have been trying to make my VAXStation 4000-90A come to life. It won't boot off the CD (an NEC Multispin 4X, perhaps it doesn't speak 512/2048?) so I took the next route of trying to make it boot of my Alpha's (MISER) host base Infoserver. I copied the ISL_SVAX_073.SYS file off of my 7.3 distribution from Montagar (it was in [sys0.sysexe]) to mom$load and did all the NCP statements to make MISER aware of the new soon-to-be-node, FRUGAL. The VAX boots to this file fine.( "b /r5:100 eza0" ) If I make it search for Infoserver services, it finds the 7.3 distribution service that I set up using LDDRIVER on the Alpha. However, when I try to select it (and hopefully make it "boot" from it) it just sits there for a long time, eventually saying: %ISL-F-BADOPEN, unable to locate SYSBOOT Running wireshark doesn't reveal much - I see the "DEC LAST" protocol running on the wire, but that's about it. At this point it *has* to be something simple. Would anyone have anything obvious I should be checking? I have a feeling I'm *this* close ... :) Cheers, Fred ---- Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they prefer is not that which they view as the current direction.

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by jeep＠scshome.net

Fred, I'm not sure what's going on here but... I may still be able to help you. You could try booting into my VAXcluster (as a satellite) and do the installation from that if you wish. If you are interested, let me know offline. If this fails then you could try booting off my "real" InfoServer just for grins :-) Oh, the NEC Multispin 4x may just work. I use these. You will have to set one of the dip switches that changes it from 2048 bytes to 512 bytes. A search on the web should be able to give you the correct switch. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Fred Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 21:04 To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: [HECnet] Boot VAX from Alpha host Infoserver? Good evening everyone: This weekend I have been trying to make my VAXStation 4000-90A come to life. It won't boot off the CD (an NEC Multispin 4X, perhaps it doesn't speak 512/2048?) so I took the next route of trying to make it boot of my Alpha's (MISER) host base Infoserver. I copied the ISL_SVAX_073.SYS file off of my 7.3 distribution from Montagar (it was in [sys0.sysexe]) to mom$load and did all the NCP statements to make MISER aware of the new soon-to-be-node, FRUGAL. The VAX boots to this file fine.( "b /r5:100 eza0" ) If I make it search for Infoserver services, it finds the 7.3 distribution service that I set up using LDDRIVER on the Alpha. However, when I try to select it (and hopefully make it "boot" from it) it just sits there for a long time, eventually saying: %ISL-F-BADOPEN, unable to locate SYSBOOT Running wireshark doesn't reveal much - I see the "DEC LAST" protocol running on the wire, but that's about it. At this point it *has* to be something simple. Would anyone have anything obvious I should be checking? I have a feeling I'm *this* close ... :) Cheers, Fred ---- Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they prefer is not that which they view as the current direction.

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by fcoffey＠thrifty.misernet.net

Good evening everyone: This weekend I have been trying to make my VAXStation 4000-90A come to life. It won't boot off the CD (an NEC Multispin 4X, perhaps it doesn't speak 512/2048?) so I took the next route of trying to make it boot of my Alpha's (MISER) host base Infoserver. I copied the ISL_SVAX_073.SYS file off of my 7.3 distribution from Montagar (it was in [sys0.sysexe]) to mom$load and did all the NCP statements to make MISER aware of the new soon-to-be-node, FRUGAL. The VAX boots to this file fine.( "b /r5:100 eza0" ) If I make it search for Infoserver services, it finds the 7.3 distribution service that I set up using LDDRIVER on the Alpha. However, when I try to select it (and hopefully make it "boot" from it) it just sits there for a long time, eventually saying: %ISL-F-BADOPEN, unable to locate SYSBOOT Running wireshark doesn't reveal much - I see the "DEC LAST" protocol running on the wire, but that's about it. At this point it *has* to be something simple. Would anyone have anything obvious I should be checking? I have a feeling I'm *this* close ... :) Cheers, Fred ---- Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they prefer is not that which they view as the current direction.

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Boot VAX from Alpha host Infoserver?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 9:11 PM -0500 11/22/09, Steve Davidson wrote: Oh, the NEC Multispin 4x may just work. I use these. You will have to set one of the dip switches that changes it from 2048 bytes to 512 bytes. A search on the web should be able to give you the correct switch. I love the old NEC Mulitspin's, I have an 8x caddy drive in my PDP-11. They're the only non-DEC drives I've been able to find that works with some of my older DEC gear. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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DEC Legacy Event, April 17th-18th 2010, Windermere, UK

by ian＠platinum.net

Thanks for the news. However, the URL appears to be wrong. It's: http://declegacy.org.uk Ian. On 2009-11-12, at 2:33 PM, Mark Wickens wrote: Hope you guys don't mind me posting my message to the list - hopefully it will be interesting to some. DEC Legacy Event, April 17th-18th 2010, Windermere, UK ------------------------------------------------------ The event venue has now been booked and I would therefore ask you to make a note of the event date, the weekend of April 17th & 18th 2010, in your diary. The event will take place at the Marchesi Centre, Windermere, UK from 09:00 to 17:00 on each day. Website URL: http://dec-legacy.org.uk The website will be updated with information about speakers and equipment that will be making an appearance. You can now purchase a ticket online using paypal or by cheque. Any proceeds after expenses will go to the National Museum of Computing at Bletchley Park. I highly recommend booking accommodation, if required, in good time as it does generally get booked up quickly in such a popular tourist destination. The Cumbria Tourist Site is http://www.golakes.co.uk/ Don't forget that this is a great place for partners and children to enjoy! If you know of anyone else that might be interested please feel free to forward this email on to them or ask them to contact me directly so I may update them of progress. If you are interested in making a presentation on any aspect of DIGITAL's company, hardware, software or anything else you think would make an interesting talk please do contact me so we can discuss it further. If you do not want to receive further emails please let me know and I will remove you from this mailing list. Regards, Mark Wickens --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=6E5835E6CFDB11DEA…

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DEC Legacy Event, April 17th-18th 2010, Windermere, UK

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

Hope you guys don't mind me posting my message to the list - hopefully it will be interesting to some. DEC Legacy Event, April 17th-18th 2010, Windermere, UK ------------------------------------------------------ The event venue has now been booked and I would therefore ask you to make a note of the event date, the weekend of April 17th & 18th 2010, in your diary. The event will take place at the Marchesi Centre, Windermere, UK from 09:00 to 17:00 on each day. Website URL: http://dec-legacy.org.uk The website will be updated with information about speakers and equipment that will be making an appearance. You can now purchase a ticket online using paypal or by cheque. Any proceeds after expenses will go to the National Museum of Computing at Bletchley Park. I highly recommend booking accommodation, if required, in good time as it does generally get booked up quickly in such a popular tourist destination. The Cumbria Tourist Site is http://www.golakes.co.uk/ Don't forget that this is a great place for partners and children to enjoy! If you know of anyone else that might be interested please feel free to forward this email on to them or ask them to contact me directly so I may update them of progress. If you are interested in making a presentation on any aspect of DIGITAL's company, hardware, software or anything else you think would make an interesting talk please do contact me so we can discuss it further. If you do not want to receive further emails please let me know and I will remove you from this mailing list. Regards, Mark Wickens

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Talking of other possible protocols

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:28:33 +0100, you wrote: However, if you configure my bridge program for it, it can pass on LAT frames just as well as DECnet, and it works just fine. And the same goes for MOP, by the way. And, if someone really cares, the bridge could also pass LAST (InfoServer and maybe Pathworks) frames as well: just add Ethertype 0x8041 to its packet filter, but be sure to correct a little bug or it will not work: the *data member inside the DATA structure has to be declared unsigned. :-P Been there, done that: it's slow, but works like a champ. :-) Cheers, G.

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Talking of other possible protocols

by bqt＠softjar.se

Suitable is a difficult question. LAT was designed for local networks. There is no routing capability in it, and it relies on broadcast functionality to work. However, if you configure my bridge program for it, it can pass on LAT frames just as well as DECnet, and it works just fine. And the same goes for MOP, by the way. Johnny Mark Wickens wrote: Am I right in thinking that LAT is only suitable for the local network? I just tried Local> connect pdxvax from the DECserver 90M just for a laugh. Regards, Mark.

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Talking of other possible protocols

by bqt＠softjar.se

I think someone (can't remember who) tried to make a kind of map, where you also could see where in the physical world people were. Don't think it's up to date, though. I don't see a problem with giving out the list of endpoints that Update as in its bridge.conf program. Do anyone else feel that this would be a problem? Johnny Sampsa Laine wrote: Might it be an idea to maintain a map of existing connections to avoid this eventuality? Yes, I'm volunteering :) Feel free to send me your setup and I'll try to hack out a graphical map. Unless it's already been done, of course. Sampsa On 11 Nov 2009, at 16:21, Johnny Billquist wrote: And to be clear. When you talked LAT with London, the traffic actually passed through Uppsala, Sweden, on the way, since just about every bridge program that I know is using Uppsala as the other endpoint. This is not really neccesary, although having just one hop might be a good point in itself. But the bridge program can act as a chain of hops as well. The only restriction is that it don't have anything like STP, so if you create a loop, you are in big trouble. Johnny Steve Davidson wrote: In past I have used LAT (from NH, USA) to connect to CHIMPY (London, UK) and MIM. Johnny's bridge program is running on a NetBSD system between my DEClab LAN and MIM on the other end. It works just fine! -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine Sent: Tue 11/10/2009 10:23 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols But Johnny's bridge does however support bridging it so in practice it can be used for long distance connections on HECnet... Sampsa On 10 Nov 2009, at 15:21, Paul Koning wrote: Yes, LAT is a layer 2 protocol so it's not routable, and its timers and delay assumptions are for LANs, not for long distance networks. paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Wickens Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:19 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols Am I right in thinking that LAT is only suitable for the local network? I just tried Local> connect pdxvax from the DECserver 90M just for a laugh. Regards, Mark.

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Talking of other possible protocols

by sampsa＠mac.com

Might it be an idea to maintain a map of existing connections to avoid this eventuality? Yes, I'm volunteering :) Feel free to send me your setup and I'll try to hack out a graphical map. Unless it's already been done, of course. Sampsa On 11 Nov 2009, at 16:21, Johnny Billquist wrote: And to be clear. When you talked LAT with London, the traffic actually passed through Uppsala, Sweden, on the way, since just about every bridge program that I know is using Uppsala as the other endpoint. This is not really neccesary, although having just one hop might be a good point in itself. But the bridge program can act as a chain of hops as well. The only restriction is that it don't have anything like STP, so if you create a loop, you are in big trouble. Johnny Steve Davidson wrote: In past I have used LAT (from NH, USA) to connect to CHIMPY (London, UK) and MIM. Johnny's bridge program is running on a NetBSD system between my DEClab LAN and MIM on the other end. It works just fine! -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine Sent: Tue 11/10/2009 10:23 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols But Johnny's bridge does however support bridging it so in practice it can be used for long distance connections on HECnet... Sampsa On 10 Nov 2009, at 15:21, Paul Koning wrote: Yes, LAT is a layer 2 protocol so it's not routable, and its timers and delay assumptions are for LANs, not for long distance networks. paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Wickens Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:19 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols Am I right in thinking that LAT is only suitable for the local network? I just tried Local> connect pdxvax from the DECserver 90M just for a laugh. Regards, Mark.

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Talking of other possible protocols

by bqt＠softjar.se

And to be clear. When you talked LAT with London, the traffic actually passed through Uppsala, Sweden, on the way, since just about every bridge program that I know is using Uppsala as the other endpoint. This is not really neccesary, although having just one hop might be a good point in itself. But the bridge program can act as a chain of hops as well. The only restriction is that it don't have anything like STP, so if you create a loop, you are in big trouble. Johnny Steve Davidson wrote: In past I have used LAT (from NH, USA) to connect to CHIMPY (London, UK) and MIM. Johnny's bridge program is running on a NetBSD system between my DEClab LAN and MIM on the other end. It works just fine! -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine Sent: Tue 11/10/2009 10:23 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols But Johnny's bridge does however support bridging it so in practice it can be used for long distance connections on HECnet... Sampsa On 10 Nov 2009, at 15:21, Paul Koning wrote: Yes, LAT is a layer 2 protocol so it's not routable, and its timers and delay assumptions are for LANs, not for long distance networks. paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Wickens Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:19 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols Am I right in thinking that LAT is only suitable for the local network? I just tried Local> connect pdxvax from the DECserver 90M just for a laugh. Regards, Mark.

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Talking of other possible protocols

by jeep＠scshome.net

In past I have used LAT (from NH, USA) to connect to CHIMPY (London, UK) and MIM. Johnny's bridge program is running on a NetBSD system between my DEClab LAN and MIM on the other end. It works just fine! -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine Sent: Tue 11/10/2009 10:23 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols But Johnny's bridge does however support bridging it so in practice it can be used for long distance connections on HECnet... Sampsa On 10 Nov 2009, at 15:21, Paul Koning wrote: Yes, LAT is a layer 2 protocol so it's not routable, and its timers and delay assumptions are for LANs, not for long distance networks. paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Wickens Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:19 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] Talking of other possible protocols Am I right in thinking that LAT is only suitable for the local network? I just tried Local> connect pdxvax from the DECserver 90M just for a laugh. Regards, Mark.

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RHESUS is down

by christine.caulfield＠googlemail.com

You need to give your 'friend' a good shaking ... ;-) Chrissie On 11/11/09 01:43, Sampsa Laine wrote: Damn it, my friend has just cancelled on me again - sorry about jerking you around like this, I promise the trip will happen really soon now, just need to get my friend to commit properly to a date. Sampsa On 10 Nov 2009, at 15:45, Christine Caulfield wrote: Hiya, Yes, tomorrow afternoon would be fine. I've got someone calling round to collect an amplifier too, but I'm sure I can cope :-) Chrissie On 10/11/09 15:38, Sampsa Laine wrote: Christine, Would it be ok to come up tomorrow afternoon? Sampsa On 9 Nov 2009, at 09:22, Christine Caulfield wrote: Hiya I didn't see a reply, so I'm sending this again just in case ... Chrissie On 04/11/09 07:31, Christine Caulfield wrote: Hiya, By "this week" and "next week" do you mean "next week" and "the week after"? Cos I thought you were coming next week now anyway!! Well to be helpful ... next week (starting 9th) is fine Tuesday Wednesday & Friday. The week after (starting 16th) is OK Monday, Tuesday & Wednesday. The week after that (starting 23rd) is out completely unless you turn up around 9am in the morning. Weekends I can't do until ... hmm about March, and evenings are complicated and need to be organised near to the time. Can fit in with any of that ? Chrissie On 03/11/09 23:11, Sampsa Laine wrote: Christine, Terribly sorry about this, but turns out the guy I'm meant to drive down from Leeds can't make it this week - how is next week looking for you? Sampsa On 27 Oct 2009, at 15:37, Christine Caulfield wrote: Oh god, my boiler is the same. It used to crash every two or three weeks. And the plumber told me how to refill it and reset it. In the end it turned out to be a very slightly leaky radiator and it's been fine after that. I'm still supposed to check the pressure now and then though. /me goes off to do it while she remembers. Chrissie On 27/10/09 15:30, Sampsa Laine wrote: OK, cool, we'll synchronise schedules with my friend, probably come up on Wednesday or Friday (Wed ideally, I'm thinking the traffic into London on Friday might be a lot of Epic Phail). As for the boiler repair, it was free - only had it installed a few months back (behind my spare freezer, which isn't so great). Turns out it just needed a top-up - this involved the guy fiddling with two dials. Now the stupid thing cost me thousands AND has a computer already built in, how freaking hard can it be to make the topping-up thing automatic. Sampsa On 27 Oct 2009, at 15:27, Christine Caulfield wrote: Ahhh No problem. That week is fine apart from Monday and Thursday. I hope the boiler doesn't cost too much to fix :S Chrissie On 27/10/09 15:09, Sampsa Laine wrote: Oh crap, so it was - I ACTUALLY mean the week commencing the 9th - sorry about the confusion, been dealing with boiler repair guys all day. Sampsa On 27 Oct 2009, at 14:27, Christine Caulfield wrote: Hiya That's the week I thought you meant anyway! So that's fine. My address is 39 St James Terrace Horsforth Leeds LS18 5QT Phone 0113 2288310 Chrissie On 27/10/09 14:01, Sampsa Laine wrote: Actually, if you can hold on to them for another week - i.e. the week commencing 2 Nov, I'd be able to synchronise giving my friend a lift to London with the pick up. If this is a problem, no worries, I'll come up on next Thursday. sampsa On 27 Oct 2009, at 13:50, Christine Caulfield wrote: On 27/10/09 12:41, Sampsa Laine wrote: I'll take the VAXstation and Alpha PWS if you can spare them and the CD drives - as for pick up, well I'm between jobs so it's no biggie, could come up next week if that works for you. Yes, that's fine. I work from home so most days during the daytime will be OK, apart from Wednesday morning. Just give me a day or so's notice when you'll be here and I'll be ready. Chrissie

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