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by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Oh! I guess I read through everything you wrote too fast! :-) I hope they get it right, and I also hope that when they get it working it will work with things such as FreeNAS, as that could lower my electricity bill. Zane At 3:27 PM +0000 1/20/10, Sampsa Laine wrote: Like I said, that isn't true, I misread the documentation, actually I was reading the wrong document :) But when I tried to launch the initiator on CHIMPY, it crashed, hard. Took out the box and rebooted. Then again, I suppose this is what field tests are for :) Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 15:24, Zane H. Healy wrote: At 10:48 AM +0000 1/20/10, Sampsa Laine wrote: Alas, CHIMP is an Alpha, and the iSCSI kit is only supported on I64. I will potentially try to do an upgrade on RHESUS this weekend - I'll let you guys know how I got along.. BLEEP!!!! Alpha support for iSCSI was supposed to be in V8.4. I would say this is what happen when you dump most of VMS engineering and outsouce the work. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by sampsa＠mac.com

Gerry, If they are less than responsive, I'm happy to share the goodies, just drop me a line. :) Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 15:14, gerry77 at mail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:55:17 +0000, you wrote: I talked to a guy called John Egolf <John.Egolf at hp.com>, he sent me the credentials to pull down the install. Looking for that name with Google yields a link to a page of the HP DSPP program about the 8.4 field test, in which they offer the opportunity to become a field test site for the new OpenVMS version. Sampsa, did you go through an formal request to HP or had some informal contact with that John Egolf? I'm wondering if they will accept a poor hobbyist as an official test site... :) The address I've found with Google is http://tinyurl.com/fieldtest84 (shortened: the original is at the end of this message.) Thank you very much, G. http://h21007.www2.hp.com/portal/site/dspp/menuitem.863c3e4cbcdc3f3515b49c1…

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by sampsa＠mac.com

Like I said, that isn't true, I misread the documentation, actually I was reading the wrong document :) But when I tried to launch the initiator on CHIMPY, it crashed, hard. Took out the box and rebooted. Then again, I suppose this is what field tests are for :) Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 15:24, Zane H. Healy wrote: At 10:48 AM +0000 1/20/10, Sampsa Laine wrote: Alas, CHIMP is an Alpha, and the iSCSI kit is only supported on I64. I will potentially try to do an upgrade on RHESUS this weekend - I'll let you guys know how I got along.. BLEEP!!!! Alpha support for iSCSI was supposed to be in V8.4. I would say this is what happen when you dump most of VMS engineering and outsouce the work. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by sampsa＠mac.com

I registered through the formal channel but as I'm not a proper DSPP partner / client, John gave me access as a hobbyist. Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 15:14, gerry77 at mail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:55:17 +0000, you wrote: I talked to a guy called John Egolf <John.Egolf at hp.com>, he sent me the credentials to pull down the install. Looking for that name with Google yields a link to a page of the HP DSPP program about the 8.4 field test, in which they offer the opportunity to become a field test site for the new OpenVMS version. Sampsa, did you go through an formal request to HP or had some informal contact with that John Egolf? I'm wondering if they will accept a poor hobbyist as an official test site... :) The address I've found with Google is http://tinyurl.com/fieldtest84 (shortened: the original is at the end of this message.) Thank you very much, G. http://h21007.www2.hp.com/portal/site/dspp/menuitem.863c3e4cbcdc3f3515b49c1…

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 10:48 AM +0000 1/20/10, Sampsa Laine wrote: Alas, CHIMP is an Alpha, and the iSCSI kit is only supported on I64. I will potentially try to do an upgrade on RHESUS this weekend - I'll let you guys know how I got along.. BLEEP!!!! Alpha support for iSCSI was supposed to be in V8.4. I would say this is what happen when you dump most of VMS engineering and outsouce the work. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 4:14 PM +0100 1/20/10, gerry77 at mail.com wrote: Sampsa, did you go through an formal request to HP or had some informal contact with that John Egolf? I'm wondering if they will accept a poor hobbyist as an official test site... :) DEC/Compaq did, no idea on HP. Of course back when I had lots of disposable income I bought a machine, Doc Set, and an OS kit from Compaq as well. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:55:17 +0000, you wrote: I talked to a guy called John Egolf <John.Egolf at hp.com>, he sent me the credentials to pull down the install. Looking for that name with Google yields a link to a page of the HP DSPP program about the 8.4 field test, in which they offer the opportunity to become a field test site for the new OpenVMS version. Sampsa, did you go through an formal request to HP or had some informal contact with that John Egolf? I'm wondering if they will accept a poor hobbyist as an official test site... :) The address I've found with Google is http://tinyurl.com/fieldtest84 (shortened: the original is at the end of this message.) Thank you very much, G. http://h21007.www2.hp.com/portal/site/dspp/menuitem.863c3e4cbcdc3f3515b49c1…

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by sampsa＠mac.com

I talked to a guy called John Egolf <John.Egolf at hp.com>, he sent me the credentials to pull down the install. There was a field test sign up page on hp.com, no idea of the URL anymore though. Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 12:51, Mark Wickens wrote: Hi Guys, Did I miss the announcement about where to get the field trial for 8.4 from? I'd signed up via the DSPP program, but not heard anything subsequently. I might have to fire up the IA64 now - it's bloody freezing in here! Mark.

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

Hi Guys, Did I miss the announcement about where to get the field trial for 8.4 from? I'd signed up via the DSPP program, but not heard anything subsequently. I might have to fire up the IA64 now - it's bloody freezing in here! Mark.

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by sampsa＠mac.com

Well my poking around ended as follows: $ @SYS$STARTUP:ISCSI$INITIATOR_STARTUP.COM **** OpenVMS Alpha Operating System E8.4 - BUGCHECK **** ** Bugcheck code = 000003C4: SSRVEXCEPT, Unexpected system service exception ** Crash CPU: 00000000 Primary CPU: 00000000 Node Name: CHIMP ** Highest CPU number: 00000003 ** Active CPUs: 00000000.00000003 ** Current Process: SYSTEM ** Current PSB ID: 00000001 ** Image N? So I'm guessing ISCSI on AXP is a work in progress... :) Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 10:50, Sampsa Laine wrote: Ignore this, turns out the ISCSI documentation I'm looking at is for the ISCSI TDK that was I64 only. Hmm, might have to have a quick poke around. Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 10:48, Sampsa Laine wrote: Alas, CHIMP is an Alpha, and the iSCSI kit is only supported on I64. I will potentially try to do an upgrade on RHESUS this weekend - I'll let you guys know how I got along.. Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 02:10, Zane H. Healy wrote: At 11:27 PM +0000 1/17/10, Sampsa Laine wrote: I pulled down the 8.4 field test from HP and installed it on CHIMP, if anyone wants a play, let me know and I'll set up accounts. Any idea how well iSCSI works? Will it work with something like FreeNAS? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by sampsa＠mac.com

Ignore this, turns out the ISCSI documentation I'm looking at is for the ISCSI TDK that was I64 only. Hmm, might have to have a quick poke around. Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 10:48, Sampsa Laine wrote: Alas, CHIMP is an Alpha, and the iSCSI kit is only supported on I64. I will potentially try to do an upgrade on RHESUS this weekend - I'll let you guys know how I got along.. Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 02:10, Zane H. Healy wrote: At 11:27 PM +0000 1/17/10, Sampsa Laine wrote: I pulled down the 8.4 field test from HP and installed it on CHIMP, if anyone wants a play, let me know and I'll set up accounts. Any idea how well iSCSI works? Will it work with something like FreeNAS? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by sampsa＠mac.com

Alas, CHIMP is an Alpha, and the iSCSI kit is only supported on I64. I will potentially try to do an upgrade on RHESUS this weekend - I'll let you guys know how I got along.. Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 02:10, Zane H. Healy wrote: At 11:27 PM +0000 1/17/10, Sampsa Laine wrote: I pulled down the 8.4 field test from HP and installed it on CHIMP, if anyone wants a play, let me know and I'll set up accounts. Any idea how well iSCSI works? Will it work with something like FreeNAS? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by sampsa＠mac.com

Not had a play to be honest, might have to have a go though this weekend. Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 02:10, Zane H. Healy wrote: At 11:27 PM +0000 1/17/10, Sampsa Laine wrote: I pulled down the 8.4 field test from HP and installed it on CHIMP, if anyone wants a play, let me know and I'll set up accounts. Any idea how well iSCSI works? Will it work with something like FreeNAS? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 11:27 PM +0000 1/17/10, Sampsa Laine wrote: I pulled down the 8.4 field test from HP and installed it on CHIMP, if anyone wants a play, let me know and I'll set up accounts. Any idea how well iSCSI works? Will it work with something like FreeNAS? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:27:51 +0000, you wrote: I pulled down the 8.4 field test from HP and installed it on CHIMP, if anyone wants a play, let me know and I'll set up accounts. Hi! Where did you download 8.4? I've looked into the same place I told you about the 8.3-1H1 Itanium version, but I found nothing. Is there some place from which 8.4 can be downloaded without registering (and maybe paying) and such? Please advice, because we are eager to have 8.4 in our DECnet! :) Thank you very much! G.

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by sampsa＠mac.com

Guys, I pulled down the 8.4 field test from HP and installed it on CHIMP, if anyone wants a play, let me know and I'll set up accounts. Sampsa

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New node - 1.408, VAXPLS, running DECNET Plus!

by sampsa＠mac.com

Guys, I've managed to get DECNET plus going on a SIMH VAX running OpenVMS 7.3-1. It was quite straightforward actually and everything seems to be running fine. The only thing that required a bit of hacking was importing the nodes database into the local name resolver but even that wasn't TOO painful. Let me know if anyone wants a guest account to play around with. Sampsa

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VMS question - clearing the SECURITY.AUDIT$JOURNAL security log

by sampsa＠mac.com

Another thing: Anyone know how to make the standard SSHD (TCP/IP services 5.4, I think) report login failures into the security journal? At the moment the Telnet and DECNET login stuff is logged, but now SSH. Any ideas? Sampsa On 11 Jan 2010, at 16:05, gerry77 at mail.com wrote: On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:18:42 +0000, you wrote: Gents, I'm in the process of installing ArcSight on my network, and basically it works by running an ANALYZE/AUDIT/FULL command on SECURITY.AUDIT $JOURNAL and then importing the output file on a separate Unix for log processing. I'm trying to find a way of clearing the current audit log (since I'm extracting the events out of it, i don't want duplicates, /SINCE risks missing events that happen within the delta). What is the proper way of clearing the security audit log? What about SET AUDIT/SERVER=NEW_LOG to create a new version of the journal before processing (i.e.: create new log then analyze the old one)? :-) HTH, G.

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VMS question - clearing the SECURITY.AUDIT$JOURNAL security log

by sampsa＠mac.com

Yup, discovered that. So what I do now is to analyze the old one, put the results in the file that gets grabbed by the Unix box, and then run that SET command. Seems to work OK so far. Sampsa On 11 Jan 2010, at 16:05, gerry77 at mail.com wrote: On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:18:42 +0000, you wrote: Gents, I'm in the process of installing ArcSight on my network, and basically it works by running an ANALYZE/AUDIT/FULL command on SECURITY.AUDIT $JOURNAL and then importing the output file on a separate Unix for log processing. I'm trying to find a way of clearing the current audit log (since I'm extracting the events out of it, i don't want duplicates, /SINCE risks missing events that happen within the delta). What is the proper way of clearing the security audit log? What about SET AUDIT/SERVER=NEW_LOG to create a new version of the journal before processing (i.e.: create new log then analyze the old one)? :-) HTH, G.

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VMS question - clearing the SECURITY.AUDIT$JOURNAL security log

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:18:42 +0000, you wrote: Gents, I'm in the process of installing ArcSight on my network, and basically it works by running an ANALYZE/AUDIT/FULL command on SECURITY.AUDIT $JOURNAL and then importing the output file on a separate Unix for log processing. I'm trying to find a way of clearing the current audit log (since I'm extracting the events out of it, i don't want duplicates, /SINCE risks missing events that happen within the delta). What is the proper way of clearing the security audit log? What about SET AUDIT/SERVER=NEW_LOG to create a new version of the journal before processing (i.e.: create new log then analyze the old one)? :-) HTH, G.

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VMS question - clearing the SECURITY.AUDIT$JOURNAL security log

by sampsa＠mac.com

Gents, I'm in the process of installing ArcSight on my network, and basically it works by running an ANALYZE/AUDIT/FULL command on SECURITY.AUDIT$JOURNAL and then importing the output file on a separate Unix for log processing. I'm trying to find a way of clearing the current audit log (since I'm extracting the events out of it, i don't want duplicates, /SINCE risks missing events that happen within the delta). What is the proper way of clearing the security audit log? Sampsa

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DECnet session control specification

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:46:38 -0500, you wrote: I'm pretty sure there was a Session 1.1 spec. For that matter, there were (of course) Phase V specs. The problem is that none of these seem to have been preserved. The specs we do have are on-line because Matt had the foresight to put them online way back when, and that stuck. Various other specs were published, or were supposed to be published, but that doesn't mean they are online. I suspect there are some paper specs that could be scanned, if someone wanted to do the work. Then there are some cases where the intent was to publish the specs -- Phase V, Phase IV+ (which is where Session 1.1 might show up) -- but I know of no evidence that this intent was ever carried out. For example, I've never seen any trace of the Phase V specs. I'm wondering if someone like Al Kossow from Bitsavers has something yet to be scanned and (re-)published. From time to time his archive has made available very interesting things. Just to cite one, he surfaced the LAT specification (AA-NL26A-TE) which was not available when Christine Caulfield reverse-egineered the LAT protocol to write her latd daemon for Linux. Yet another archive which sometimes may have interesting documents is Manx. Speaking about protocols, one I'd like to read about is LAST (Local Area System Transport), for which nothing appears to be available on the Internet besides an ASCII text handbook with formatting all screwed up and just some high level details of the protocol (that indeed resembles a glorified LAT). By the way, the handbook part number is EK-LADLA-AS-001, and something about DECnet-Plus is at ftp://ftp.radio-msu.net/.1/ftp.cisco.com/pub/rfc/DEC/ The names in format 1 and format 2 destination descriptors are one example of something that was explicitly left as platform dependent. For example, I think in VMS and RSX it is a program name, but in RSTS (DECnet/E) it's something quite different that doesn't tie directly to a program name at all. In my last message I made a mistake and reversed the names: I wrote about the destination, but I meant the source end user name. Sorry. :-P If I'm right with my findings, the format 2 thing sent from OpenVMS V7.2 to another identical system has the GRPCODE and USRCODE fields used as a big four-bytes field containing the EPID of the "calling" process. And this is not present in the V1.0 specification for the "source end user name". :-) Bye, G.

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GORVAX is up...for now..

by bqt＠softjar.se

Hmm. I haven't tried the bridge on MacOSX myself. Maybe I should. Not nice with crashes. If you were running some Unix, I would have a simple test for you to check if the problems were as I observed, but with VMS I don't have a good suggestion for a tool to test it. What I observed (running 2.11BSD on simh here) was that the ethernet input was buffering a whole bunch of packets before delivering them to the emulator. Running ping, I could observe that about 30 packets were sent before I got any replies, and then I got all 30 replies at once. The VMS ping command only sends four pings, so that can probably not be used to test this. Another problem with simh is that the DEUNA/DELUA emulation is slightly wrong. But I don't know if you are running an 11/780 or a 3900, but I suspect a 3900 in which case that bug wont bite you. Looking from the outside with tcpdump (or similar program) things do look right. You can see traffic coming out, and replies going back in, but the emulated system don't seem to be receiving. Sounds like your problem? Johnny Sampsa Laine wrote: That would be very useful, care to elaborate on what the problem was, and/or link me to your fixed source/binaries? BTW, I've noticed that binaries are wonderfully portable across OS X systems, for example, when I recompiled your bridge on Snow Leopard with the latest Xcode, it kept stack dumping. However the binary compiled on Tiger Server works fine and doesn't have any problems. Sampsa On 6 Jan 2010, at 22:56, Johnny Billquist wrote: Sampsa Laine wrote: Gentlemen, GORVAX and it's associated MULTINET pipe are up again. There is something about either my new iMac or Snow Leopard that breaks the networking on SIMH, so I've momentarily put it on my (already overloaded) Mac mini. This stops me from using the mini as a media centre however, so I need to find another box for it to run on. Doh. Maybe I can help. I just fixed a "problem" or two in simh, which prevented the networking to work right on my macbook pro with snow leopard. Contact me off list to investigate this further... Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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DECnet session control specification

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:50:05 -0500, you wrote: "Reserved" means "send zero, ignore on receipt". It most definitely does NOT mean "check on receive that this is zero", that's a silly mistake all too often make in protocol design. This too is for mixed version handling. If a new flag can safely be ignored by an older system, then the newer system can simply send that flag in what used to be a reserved field, and the right thing happens. Sure, but I'm not trying to implement something nor to make different DECnet versions cooperate. I'm just studying the actual content of some packets and have noticed some discrepancies between the standard specifications and the actual data on wire, sent from a VMS V7.2 box to another V7.2 system. :-) Finally, proxy was originally a VMS specific enhancement and was adopted in some other implementations (I know DECnet/E picked it up, at least in a semi-compatible form). I'm not sure that it was ever specified in an architecture spec. See above. What I'm looking at is the data exchange between two VMS boxes, both at V7.2, so it's not strange to see something about proxies. Sure. Actually, proxies did get implemented in a number of places, so you might see it even cross-platform. Speaking about specifications, I was thinking that DEC was quite strict about this and I was hoping that somewhere there was at least an update if not an entire new specification, or that someone would know who to ask for. DEC was fairly strict, indeed. Sometimes things did get implemented that weren't well documented. Also, some sections of DECnet were much more platform-dependent than others, by design. Session Control is an example, and the old network terminal protocols even more so. By contrast, things like NSP and, especially, the routing layer were much more rigidly controlled. I'm pretty sure there was a Session 1.1 spec. For that matter, there were (of course) Phase V specs. The problem is that none of these seem to have been preserved. The specs we do have are on-line because Matt had the foresight to put them online way back when, and that stuck. Various other specs were published, or were supposed to be published, but that doesn't mean they are online. I suspect there are some paper specs that could be scanned, if someone wanted to do the work. Then there are some cases where the intent was to publish the specs -- Phase V, Phase IV+ (which is where Session 1.1 might show up) -- but I know of no evidence that this intent was ever carried out. For example, I've never seen any trace of the Phase V specs. Maybe some former DEC person has copies of these documents tucked away somewhere. If so, one might hope that those could be found, in which case they can be put online. (Permission was already given to do that -- permission is NOT the issue in this case.) BTW, all the differences I've found are in the session control protocol and the one about proxies is just one of them: another is in the contents of the format 2 "destination end user name". The names in format 1 and format 2 destination descriptors are one example of something that was explicitly left as platform dependent. For example, I think in VMS and RSX it is a program name, but in RSTS (DECnet/E) it's something quite different that doesn't tie directly to a program name at all. paul

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DECnet session control specification

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:50:05 -0500, you wrote: "Reserved" means "send zero, ignore on receipt". It most definitely does NOT mean "check on receive that this is zero", that's a silly mistake all too often make in protocol design. This too is for mixed version handling. If a new flag can safely be ignored by an older system, then the newer system can simply send that flag in what used to be a reserved field, and the right thing happens. Sure, but I'm not trying to implement something nor to make different DECnet versions cooperate. I'm just studying the actual content of some packets and have noticed some discrepancies between the standard specifications and the actual data on wire, sent from a VMS V7.2 box to another V7.2 system. :-) Finally, proxy was originally a VMS specific enhancement and was adopted in some other implementations (I know DECnet/E picked it up, at least in a semi-compatible form). I'm not sure that it was ever specified in an architecture spec. See above. What I'm looking at is the data exchange between two VMS boxes, both at V7.2, so it's not strange to see something about proxies. Speaking about specifications, I was thinking that DEC was quite strict about this and I was hoping that somewhere there was at least an update if not an entire new specification, or that someone would know who to ask for. BTW, all the differences I've found are in the session control protocol and the one about proxies is just one of them: another is in the contents of the format 2 "destination end user name". Thanks, G.

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