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by gerry77＠mail.com

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:28:23 +0000, you wrote: If they are less than responsive, I'm happy to share the goodies, just drop me a line. :) Well, more than a full week has passed without any word from HP: I wrote to them on Thursday, January 21st. Are you still willing to help us with a copy of OpenVMS E8.4? :-) BTW, how does it run? Well? Many many thanks! G.

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VAX Notes

by jeep＠scshome.net

Looks like it may be on Volume set #7. Thanks for info. -Steve ________________________________ From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Zane H. Healy Sent: Wed 1/27/2010 19:31 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] VAX Notes At 7:17 PM -0500 1/27/10, Steve Davidson wrote: Does anyone here have a VAX Notes installation kit available? I'm looking for the latest version that I can find. Isn't it on the Freeware CD's? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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VAX Notes

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 7:17 PM -0500 1/27/10, Steve Davidson wrote: Does anyone here have a VAX Notes installation kit available? I'm looking for the latest version that I can find. Isn't it on the Freeware CD's? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by sampsa＠mac.com

Sure, let me know. Sampsa On 26 Jan 2010, at 18:41, gerry77 at mail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:28:23 +0000, you wrote: If they are less than responsive, I'm happy to share the goodies, just drop me a line. :) How many days did you wait for an answer? I wrote them (both addresses) on Thursday 21st, in the evening (about 8 p.m. GMT+1). So it's about five days ago (counting Saturday and Sunday too). Let's wait till the end of the week? Tnx, :-) G.

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:28:23 +0000, you wrote: If they are less than responsive, I'm happy to share the goodies, just drop me a line. :) How many days did you wait for an answer? I wrote them (both addresses) on Thursday 21st, in the evening (about 8 p.m. GMT+1). So it's about five days ago (counting Saturday and Sunday too). Let's wait till the end of the week? Tnx, :-) G.

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by sampsa＠mac.com

Gerry, Did you have any luck with HP? If not, have a peek under RHESUS::[.MEDIALIB.IA64]... Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 15:28, Sampsa Laine wrote: Gerry, If they are less than responsive, I'm happy to share the goodies, just drop me a line. :) Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 15:14, gerry77 at mail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:55:17 +0000, you wrote: I talked to a guy called John Egolf <John.Egolf at hp.com>, he sent me the credentials to pull down the install. Looking for that name with Google yields a link to a page of the HP DSPP program about the 8.4 field test, in which they offer the opportunity to become a field test site for the new OpenVMS version. Sampsa, did you go through an formal request to HP or had some informal contact with that John Egolf? I'm wondering if they will accept a poor hobbyist as an official test site... :) The address I've found with Google is http://tinyurl.com/fieldtest84 (shortened: the original is at the end of this message.) Thank you very much, G. http://h21007.www2.hp.com/portal/site/dspp/menuitem.863c3e4cbcdc3f3515b49c1…

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VMS file version numbers...

by sampsa＠mac.com

Oh so it does bomb - good to know, my security audit journal has just hit like 10k... Sampsa On 24 Jan 2010, at 00:33, gerry77 at mail.com wrote: On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:24:08 +0000, you wrote: Just out of interest, what happens when a file hits the maximum version number (2^15 I think)? Nothing. It just stops creating new files with that name. Why don't you test this yourself? :-) Look: ATHENA::RPT$ cre test.dat;32766 Exit ATHENA::RPT$ cre test.dat !This will create ;32767 Exit ATHENA::RPT$ cre test.dat !This will bomb %CREATE-E-OPENOUT, error opening SYS_USERS:[RPT]TEST.DAT; as output -RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed -SYSTEM-W-BADFILEVER, bad file version number ATHENA::RPT$ BTW, the maximum version number is 32767, so it is (2^15)-1. Cheers, G. P.S.: help/mess badfilever yields also the following: Explanation: The file version number in a file specification is greater than 32767 or contains nonnumeric characters. Or, the file system may have attempted to create a file with a version higher than 32767 through defaulting rules.

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VMS file version numbers...

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:24:08 +0000, you wrote: Just out of interest, what happens when a file hits the maximum version number (2^15 I think)? Nothing. It just stops creating new files with that name. Why don't you test this yourself? :-) Look: ATHENA::RPT$ cre test.dat;32766 Exit ATHENA::RPT$ cre test.dat !This will create ;32767 Exit ATHENA::RPT$ cre test.dat !This will bomb %CREATE-E-OPENOUT, error opening SYS_USERS:[RPT]TEST.DAT; as output -RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed -SYSTEM-W-BADFILEVER, bad file version number ATHENA::RPT$ BTW, the maximum version number is 32767, so it is (2^15)-1. Cheers, G. P.S.: help/mess badfilever yields also the following: Explanation: The file version number in a file specification is greater than 32767 or contains nonnumeric characters. Or, the file system may have attempted to create a file with a version higher than 32767 through defaulting rules.

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VMS file version numbers...

by sampsa＠mac.com

Just out of interest, what happens when a file hits the maximum version number (2^15 I think)? Sampsa

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OpenVMS docs - all PDFs in one place?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Argh - they haven't put the right metadata in the PDFs and the filenames are like the part numbers of the item in the DocSet. What a pain. Sampsa On 22 Jan 2010, at 17:15, Kari Uusim ki wrote: The PDF:s for the V8.3 are there: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os83_index.html and for the V7.3 there: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os83_index.html Kari On 22.1.2010 18:44, Johnny Billquist wrote: No, I mean the CD. But I also seem to remember seeing some of them as PDFs, in which case you would only need to download each manual, and then you have all of it. That wouldn't be too bad either... Johnny Sampsa Laine wrote: Oh they're available - just don't fancy navigating 70 different pages if I can avoid it :) Sampsa On 22 Jan 2010, at 15:04, Johnny Billquist wrote: Hi. Sampsa Laine wrote: My Amazon Kindle DX just arrived and it's rather good for reading PDFs, so was going to put the whole VMS 8.3 and 7.3 docsets on it. Any idea where I can grab all of them in one place, or do I have to download them one by one from the HP site? I'm pretty sure I have some docsets on CD. They should be available on the net as well, I think. Johnny .

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OpenVMS docs - all PDFs in one place?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Thanks - just pulled them down and about to load them onto the DX. I can highly recommend the device guys - it's expensive but absolutely brilliant for reading, just like a book. Sampsa On 22 Jan 2010, at 17:15, Kari Uusim ki wrote: The PDF:s for the V8.3 are there: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os83_index.html and for the V7.3 there: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os83_index.html Kari On 22.1.2010 18:44, Johnny Billquist wrote: No, I mean the CD. But I also seem to remember seeing some of them as PDFs, in which case you would only need to download each manual, and then you have all of it. That wouldn't be too bad either... Johnny Sampsa Laine wrote: Oh they're available - just don't fancy navigating 70 different pages if I can avoid it :) Sampsa On 22 Jan 2010, at 15:04, Johnny Billquist wrote: Hi. Sampsa Laine wrote: My Amazon Kindle DX just arrived and it's rather good for reading PDFs, so was going to put the whole VMS 8.3 and 7.3 docsets on it. Any idea where I can grab all of them in one place, or do I have to download them one by one from the HP site? I'm pretty sure I have some docsets on CD. They should be available on the net as well, I think. Johnny .

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OpenVMS docs - all PDFs in one place?

by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

The PDF:s for the V8.3 are there: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os83_index.html and for the V7.3 there: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os83_index.html Kari On 22.1.2010 18:44, Johnny Billquist wrote: No, I mean the CD. But I also seem to remember seeing some of them as PDFs, in which case you would only need to download each manual, and then you have all of it. That wouldn't be too bad either... Johnny Sampsa Laine wrote: Oh they're available - just don't fancy navigating 70 different pages if I can avoid it :) Sampsa On 22 Jan 2010, at 15:04, Johnny Billquist wrote: Hi. Sampsa Laine wrote: My Amazon Kindle DX just arrived and it's rather good for reading PDFs, so was going to put the whole VMS 8.3 and 7.3 docsets on it. Any idea where I can grab all of them in one place, or do I have to download them one by one from the HP site? I'm pretty sure I have some docsets on CD. They should be available on the net as well, I think. Johnny .

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OpenVMS docs - all PDFs in one place?

by bqt＠softjar.se

No, I mean the CD. But I also seem to remember seeing some of them as PDFs, in which case you would only need to download each manual, and then you have all of it. That wouldn't be too bad either... Johnny Sampsa Laine wrote: Oh they're available - just don't fancy navigating 70 different pages if I can avoid it :) Sampsa On 22 Jan 2010, at 15:04, Johnny Billquist wrote: Hi. Sampsa Laine wrote: My Amazon Kindle DX just arrived and it's rather good for reading PDFs, so was going to put the whole VMS 8.3 and 7.3 docsets on it. Any idea where I can grab all of them in one place, or do I have to download them one by one from the HP site? I'm pretty sure I have some docsets on CD. They should be available on the net as well, I think. Johnny

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OpenVMS docs - all PDFs in one place?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Oh they're available - just don't fancy navigating 70 different pages if I can avoid it :) Sampsa On 22 Jan 2010, at 15:04, Johnny Billquist wrote: Hi. Sampsa Laine wrote: My Amazon Kindle DX just arrived and it's rather good for reading PDFs, so was going to put the whole VMS 8.3 and 7.3 docsets on it. Any idea where I can grab all of them in one place, or do I have to download them one by one from the HP site? I'm pretty sure I have some docsets on CD. They should be available on the net as well, I think. Johnny

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OpenVMS docs - all PDFs in one place?

by bqt＠softjar.se

Hi. Sampsa Laine wrote: My Amazon Kindle DX just arrived and it's rather good for reading PDFs, so was going to put the whole VMS 8.3 and 7.3 docsets on it. Any idea where I can grab all of them in one place, or do I have to download them one by one from the HP site? I'm pretty sure I have some docsets on CD. They should be available on the net as well, I think. Johnny

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OpenVMS docs - all PDFs in one place?

by sampsa＠mac.com

My Amazon Kindle DX just arrived and it's rather good for reading PDFs, so was going to put the whole VMS 8.3 and 7.3 docsets on it. Any idea where I can grab all of them in one place, or do I have to download them one by one from the HP site? Sampsa

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Maybe the coolest thing I've seen for a while - Sikuli

by fcoffey＠thrifty.misernet.net

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, Sampsa Laine wrote: Scripting by screenshot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxDOlhysFcM Very intriguing. It would make support rather easy. ssh in, drop script in pre-defined directory, tell user to run it. Fred

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Maybe the coolest thing I've seen for a while - Sikuli

by sampsa＠mac.com

Scripting by screenshot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxDOlhysFcM So cool and simple. Sampsa

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"du" for OpenVMS?

by jeep＠scshome.net

$ dir/size=all/grand sys$sysdevice:[davidson...] -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine Sent: Thu 1/21/2010 08:09 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] "du" for OpenVMS? What's the sanest way to get an idea of disk usage by directory on VMS? Sampsa

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"du" for OpenVMS?

by marc＠bluevine.net

Sampsa Laine wrote: What's the sanest way to get an idea of disk usage by directory on VMS? $ DIRECTORY /SIZE=ALL /GRAND [directory...] It takes a while to collect the information, but once its done, you'll be presented with the total number of files and the total blocks (actually used and also allocated). --Marc

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"du" for OpenVMS?

by sampsa＠mac.com

What's the sanest way to get an idea of disk usage by directory on VMS? Sampsa

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by sampsa＠mac.com

OK, not getting much further, just configured a single (FreeNAS) iSCSI target in: SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]ISCSI$ISN_SERVERS.DAT Then ran the startup, to no avail: {RHESUS$} @sys$startup:ISCSI$INITIATOR_STARTUP %ISCSI-E-LOAD, Error loading iSCSI execlet (status = c) Oh well, I guess it's not to be. Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 15:38, Zane H. Healy wrote: Oh! I guess I read through everything you wrote too fast! :-) I hope they get it right, and I also hope that when they get it working it will work with things such as FreeNAS, as that could lower my electricity bill. Zane At 3:27 PM +0000 1/20/10, Sampsa Laine wrote: Like I said, that isn't true, I misread the documentation, actually I was reading the wrong document :) But when I tried to launch the initiator on CHIMPY, it crashed, hard. Took out the box and rebooted. Then again, I suppose this is what field tests are for :) Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 15:24, Zane H. Healy wrote: At 10:48 AM +0000 1/20/10, Sampsa Laine wrote: Alas, CHIMP is an Alpha, and the iSCSI kit is only supported on I64. I will potentially try to do an upgrade on RHESUS this weekend - I'll let you guys know how I got along.. BLEEP!!!! Alpha support for iSCSI was supposed to be in V8.4. I would say this is what happen when you dump most of VMS engineering and outsouce the work. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

On 20.1.2010 17:14, gerry77 at mail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:55:17 +0000, you wrote: I talked to a guy called John Egolf<John.Egolf at hp.com>, he sent me the credentials to pull down the install. Looking for that name with Google yields a link to a page of the HP DSPP program about the 8.4 field test, in which they offer the opportunity to become a field test site for the new OpenVMS version. Sampsa, did you go through an formal request to HP or had some informal contact with that John Egolf? I'm wondering if they will accept a poor hobbyist as an official test site... :) The address I've found with Google is http://tinyurl.com/fieldtest84 (shortened: the original is at the end of this message.) Thank you very much, G. http://h21007.www2.hp.com/portal/site/dspp/menuitem.863c3e4cbcdc3f3515b49c1… . Here's the EFT web page: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvmsft/

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by sampsa＠mac.com

Of course, and PAKs for both too :) Itanium kit going onto RHESUS in a few hours, gonna do an UPGRADE this time. Sampsa On 20 Jan 2010, at 17:08, gerry77 at mail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:28:23 +0000, you wrote: If they are less than responsive, I'm happy to share the goodies, just drop me a line. :) Thank you very much for your support. :) Now I'll wait to see if someone of our group will volounteer to take care of this activity. If not, I'll do it myself. Hope it will not take too much time to have the request acknowleged: do you know when they'll close the evaluation period? BTW, do you have both the Alpha and Itanium kits? Bye, G. P.S.: did you receive my two-days-ago mail right about this topic?

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CHIMP up - now with OpenVMS 8.4

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:28:23 +0000, you wrote: If they are less than responsive, I'm happy to share the goodies, just drop me a line. :) Thank you very much for your support. :) Now I'll wait to see if someone of our group will volounteer to take care of this activity. If not, I'll do it myself. Hope it will not take too much time to have the request acknowleged: do you know when they'll close the evaluation period? BTW, do you have both the Alpha and Itanium kits? Bye, G. P.S.: did you receive my two-days-ago mail right about this topic?

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