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Site renumbering (new area 8) + bits and bobs

by bob＠jfcl.com

Sampsa - Do you know why the Multinet link from CHARON to GORVAX is down? Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:42 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] Site renumbering (new area 8) + bits and bobs Guys, We (well mostly Steve D) today did a renumbering exercise on my systems (CHIMPY, RHESUS, GORVAX and FIDOGW) into a new area, 8. Please be sure to pull a new node database off MIM to continue to be able to reach my site. Also, because of the renumbering, MIM is no longer getting annoying error messages so I am running the phone directory poller again, it's at http://rhesus.sampsa.com/hecnetdir.html Sampsa

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Site renumbering (new area 8) + bits and bobs

by sampsa＠mac.com

Guys, We (well mostly Steve D) today did a renumbering exercise on my systems (CHIMPY, RHESUS, GORVAX and FIDOGW) into a new area, 8. Please be sure to pull a new node database off MIM to continue to be able to reach my site. Also, because of the renumbering, MIM is no longer getting annoying error messages so I am running the phone directory poller again, it's at http://rhesus.sampsa.com/hecnetdir.html Sampsa

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UK based people - we must go to this (Vintage Computer Festival UK)

by jeep＠scshome.net

One machine will run Multinet, one will run the bridge. More info when I have it. -Steve From: Sampsa Laine [mailto:sampsa at mac.com] Sent: Mon 5/31/2010 19:33 To: Steve Davidson Subject: Re: [HECnet] UK based people - we must go to this (Vintage Computer Festival UK) Steve, I can see 19.40 (SGC) from GORVAX on the ethernet interface, as you going to run the bridge or MULTINET or both? Sampsa On 31 May 2010, at 23:26, Sampsa Laine wrote: Steve, I just bounced GORVAX, the 19 circuit seems not to be up yet... Sampsa On 31 May 2010, at 14:37, Steve Davidson wrote: Sampsa, It doesn't mention HECnet by name on the website. If you can arrange it, maybe put in a HECnet gateway there. Just the gateway, nothing else. I will commit to bringing all of my systems (and clusters) up for that weekend. None of the machines here are newer than 1993 and that includes the Alpha's. The earliest hardware that can be on the net is circa 1985. Everything here is DEC and only DEC not Compaq and certainly not HP. This means that the only thing that will be available will be actual hardware (from this end). I could (maybe) have up to 15 machines running by then. I can see that electric meter move now - probably faster than it ever has! I can bring up PDP-11's, VAXen, and Alpha's. I did not publish this to the list intentionally. Let me know if I need to be able to bring everything up. Also, all of the various gateways should be stable by then so we can really show something. Maybe show how vintage systems can still communicate in the current world with current hardware. -Steve From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine Sent: Mon 5/31/2010 08:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] UK based people - we must go to this (Vintage Computer Festival UK) Guys, Check this out: http://www.tnmoc.org/vcf-gb.aspx Maybe we could get HECnet involved somehow? Or are we already doing this and I've totally missed the boat on it all? Sampsa

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by jeep＠scshome.net

That's because the new system disk build went into mount-verify-timeout. Never a good thing... I'm still looking for a replace disk. Also, the TOY clock and battery are having some issues. When it rains... it pours! -Steve From: Sampsa Laine [mailto:sampsa at mac.com] Sent: Mon 5/31/2010 18:26 To: Steve Davidson Subject: Re: [HECnet] UK based people - we must go to this (Vintage Computer Festival UK) Steve, I just bounced GORVAX, the 19 circuit seems not to be up yet... Sampsa On 31 May 2010, at 14:37, Steve Davidson wrote: Sampsa, It doesn't mention HECnet by name on the website. If you can arrange it, maybe put in a HECnet gateway there. Just the gateway, nothing else. I will commit to bringing all of my systems (and clusters) up for that weekend. None of the machines here are newer than 1993 and that includes the Alpha's. The earliest hardware that can be on the net is circa 1985. Everything here is DEC and only DEC not Compaq and certainly not HP. This means that the only thing that will be available will be actual hardware (from this end). I could (maybe) have up to 15 machines running by then. I can see that electric meter move now - probably faster than it ever has! I can bring up PDP-11's, VAXen, and Alpha's. I did not publish this to the list intentionally. Let me know if I need to be able to bring everything up. Also, all of the various gateways should be stable by then so we can really show something. Maybe show how vintage systems can still communicate in the current world with current hardware. -Steve From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine Sent: Mon 5/31/2010 08:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] UK based people - we must go to this (Vintage Computer Festival UK) Guys, Check this out: http://www.tnmoc.org/vcf-gb.aspx Maybe we could get HECnet involved somehow? Or are we already doing this and I've totally missed the boat on it all? Sampsa

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hecnet.eu

by bqt＠softjar.se

Mark, I should make a longer comment when I have some time, but just as a short reply, the information on my page is on the internet, thus it is free. So feel free to duplicate it. More later... Johnny Mark Wickens wrote: Hi Guys, http://hecnet.eu is up and running - not much up there, but there is more to come! Johnny - can I duplicate your information on this site? It's running on an OpenVMS box connected to hecnet, the site is generated using the utility asctohtm to encourage you guys to make a contribution. Asctohtm runs on the VAX and can process very simply formatted ASCII into a nice looking webpage - perfect for adding content by using a VAX/PDP box and then copying it via hecnet onto the target. I'd also like to get a script running to determine the active state of the network, and in the long run a bit of client site charting to produce a network diagram. In the first instance I'd like email suggestions of content please (or you can email me actual content). The idea in the long run is to create a batch job that will scan the decnet default directory and pickup contributions to put on the wall by automatically converting the ascii files into HTML. I'd also like to create an online tutorial/faq to walk people through the basic decnet/bridge setup as well as point out any common issues. Lots of ideas in the pipeline - we did talk about issuing @hecnet.eu email address which would automatically get piped through a SMTP gateway - which would also be very nice. It'd also be nice to get some bios & backgrounds on people using hecnet - sometimes even though it's a big network it can feel a bit lonely! Regards, Mark -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Steve, I can see 19.40 (SGC) from GORVAX on the ethernet interface, as you going to run the bridge or MULTINET or both? Sampsa On 31 May 2010, at 23:26, Sampsa Laine wrote: Steve, I just bounced GORVAX, the 19 circuit seems not to be up yet... Sampsa On 31 May 2010, at 14:37, Steve Davidson wrote: Sampsa, It doesn't mention HECnet by name on the website. If you can arrange it, maybe put in a HECnet gateway there. Just the gateway, nothing else. I will commit to bringing all of my systems (and clusters) up for that weekend. None of the machines here are newer than 1993 and that includes the Alpha's. The earliest hardware that can be on the net is circa 1985. Everything here is DEC and only DEC not Compaq and certainly not HP. This means that the only thing that will be available will be actual hardware (from this end). I could (maybe) have up to 15 machines running by then. I can see that electric meter move now - probably faster than it ever has! I can bring up PDP-11's, VAXen, and Alpha's. I did not publish this to the list intentionally. Let me know if I need to be able to bring everything up. Also, all of the various gateways should be stable by then so we can really show something. Maybe show how vintage systems can still communicate in the current world with current hardware. -Steve From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine Sent: Mon 5/31/2010 08:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] UK based people - we must go to this (Vintage Computer Festival UK) Guys, Check this out: http://www.tnmoc.org/vcf-gb.aspx Maybe we could get HECnet involved somehow? Or are we already doing this and I've totally missed the boat on it all? Sampsa

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by sampsa＠mac.com

And that was meant for Mark, not the whole list, so hence the non sequitur nature of the missive. Sampsa On 31 May 2010, at 23:30, Sampsa Laine wrote: Just FYI, my Vodafone 3g dongle DOES work as a dial up GSM modem as well :) Which I think is pretty cool. Sampsa On 31 May 2010, at 21:13, Mark Wickens wrote: On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 13:52 +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, Check this out: http://www.tnmoc.org/vcf-gb.aspx Maybe we could get HECnet involved somehow? Or are we already doing this and I've totally missed the boat on it all? Sampsa Sampsa, I'll be there demoing some DEC gear - I can up the hecnet heat and see if I can get networked in for the weekend. Regards, Mark.

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Just FYI, my Vodafone 3g dongle DOES work as a dial up GSM modem as well :) Which I think is pretty cool. Sampsa On 31 May 2010, at 21:13, Mark Wickens wrote: On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 13:52 +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, Check this out: http://www.tnmoc.org/vcf-gb.aspx Maybe we could get HECnet involved somehow? Or are we already doing this and I've totally missed the boat on it all? Sampsa Sampsa, I'll be there demoing some DEC gear - I can up the hecnet heat and see if I can get networked in for the weekend. Regards, Mark.

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Steve, I just bounced GORVAX, the 19 circuit seems not to be up yet... Sampsa On 31 May 2010, at 14:37, Steve Davidson wrote: Sampsa, It doesn't mention HECnet by name on the website. If you can arrange it, maybe put in a HECnet gateway there. Just the gateway, nothing else. I will commit to bringing all of my systems (and clusters) up for that weekend. None of the machines here are newer than 1993 and that includes the Alpha's. The earliest hardware that can be on the net is circa 1985. Everything here is DEC and only DEC not Compaq and certainly not HP. This means that the only thing that will be available will be actual hardware (from this end). I could (maybe) have up to 15 machines running by then. I can see that electric meter move now - probably faster than it ever has! I can bring up PDP-11's, VAXen, and Alpha's. I did not publish this to the list intentionally. Let me know if I need to be able to bring everything up. Also, all of the various gateways should be stable by then so we can really show something. Maybe show how vintage systems can still communicate in the current world with current hardware. -Steve From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine Sent: Mon 5/31/2010 08:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] UK based people - we must go to this (Vintage Computer Festival UK) Guys, Check this out: http://www.tnmoc.org/vcf-gb.aspx Maybe we could get HECnet involved somehow? Or are we already doing this and I've totally missed the boat on it all? Sampsa

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hecnet.eu

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 31 May 2010, at 21:14, Angela Kahealani wrote: a bit of client site charting to produce a network diagram. That would be really nice. I thought of automating this (I'm currently developing a HECnet node info database system, mainly as a learning exercise for Python and Oracle RDB) by having some entries in a database table, namely WAN links and LANs. Basically, a WAN link entry would indicate two end points (either bridge or MULTINET) whilst nodes are allocated membership in a LAN - from these two sets of data it would be possible to draw up a basic network diagram. Of course this would entail either some kind of crawler to populate the database or someone to manually keep this info up to date. Sampsa

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hecnet.eu

by angela＠kahealani.com

On Wed, 2010-05-26 08:10:27 you wrote: Hi Guys, http://hecnet.eu is up and running - not much up there, but there is more to come! Thank you for all your contributions. a bit of client site charting to produce a network diagram. That would be really nice. I'd also like to create an online tutorial/faq to walk people through the basic decnet/bridge setup as well as point out any common issues. I'd especially appreciate this, which is what I need to address when I get my workstation repaired an try to set-up Mark Crispin's Panda TOPS-20 distribution on the KLH emulator. It'd also be nice to get some bios & backgrounds on people using hecnet - sometimes even though it's a big network it can feel a bit lonely! While I have address allocations for DECnet nodes kahea and lani, I'm not online with them yet. Many years ago I did lots of hardware diagnostics on raw hardware (no operating systems) in assembly language and machine code in support of hardware design validation and manufacturing and field diagnostics. I encountered TOPS-20 at Computer Communications Corp. which did educational software. Regards, Mark Aloha, Angela Kahealani -- "(I'll) Be Seeing You..." All information and transactions are private between the parties, and are non negotiable. All rights reserve without prejudice Angela Kahealani. http://kahealani.com

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UK based people - we must go to this (Vintage Computer Festival UK)

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 13:52 +0100, Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, Check this out: http://www.tnmoc.org/vcf-gb.aspx Maybe we could get HECnet involved somehow? Or are we already doing this and I've totally missed the boat on it all? Sampsa Sampsa, I'll be there demoing some DEC gear - I can up the hecnet heat and see if I can get networked in for the weekend. Regards, Mark.

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Steve, Do you know how I could write a bit-by-bit image to a floppy using VMS? I need to create a floppy from an image file and the only machine i have around to do it with is CHIMPY. Sampsa On 31 May 2010, at 14:37, Steve Davidson wrote: Sampsa, It doesn't mention HECnet by name on the website. If you can arrange it, maybe put in a HECnet gateway there. Just the gateway, nothing else. I will commit to bringing all of my systems (and clusters) up for that weekend. None of the machines here are newer than 1993 and that includes the Alpha's. The earliest hardware that can be on the net is circa 1985. Everything here is DEC and only DEC not Compaq and certainly not HP. This means that the only thing that will be available will be actual hardware (from this end). I could (maybe) have up to 15 machines running by then. I can see that electric meter move now - probably faster than it ever has! I can bring up PDP-11's, VAXen, and Alpha's. I did not publish this to the list intentionally. Let me know if I need to be able to bring everything up. Also, all of the various gateways should be stable by then so we can really show something. Maybe show how vintage systems can still communicate in the current world with current hardware. -Steve From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine Sent: Mon 5/31/2010 08:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] UK based people - we must go to this (Vintage Computer Festival UK) Guys, Check this out: http://www.tnmoc.org/vcf-gb.aspx Maybe we could get HECnet involved somehow? Or are we already doing this and I've totally missed the boat on it all? Sampsa

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FW: [HECnet] UK based people - we must go to this (Vintage Computer Festival UK)

by jeep＠scshome.net

Sampsa, It doesn't mention HECnet by name on the website. If you can arrange it, maybe put in a HECnet gateway there. Just the gateway, nothing else. I will commit to bringing all of my systems (and clusters) up for that weekend. None of the machines here are newer than 1993 and that includes the Alpha's. The earliest hardware that can be on the net is circa 1985. Everything here is DEC and only DEC not Compaq and certainly not HP. This means that the only thing that will be available will be actual hardware (from this end). I could (maybe) have up to 15 machines running by then. I can see that electric meter move now - probably faster than it ever has! I can bring up PDP-11's, VAXen, and Alpha's. I did not publish this to the list intentionally. Let me know if I need to be able to bring everything up. Also, all of the various gateways should be stable by then so we can really show something. Maybe show how vintage systems can still communicate in the current world with current hardware. -Steve From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine Sent: Mon 5/31/2010 08:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] UK based people - we must go to this (Vintage Computer Festival UK) Guys, Check this out: http://www.tnmoc.org/vcf-gb.aspx Maybe we could get HECnet involved somehow? Or are we already doing this and I've totally missed the boat on it all? Sampsa

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Guys, Check this out: http://www.tnmoc.org/vcf-gb.aspx Maybe we could get HECnet involved somehow? Or are we already doing this and I've totally missed the boat on it all? Sampsa

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BETA: New PHONE directory service

by sampsa＠mac.com

Gentlemen, I've rolled up a bit of Linux DECNET C code and some bash scripts to do a PHONE DIR on all the nodes on HECNET (well at least the ones FIDOGW is aware of, I periodically update it's node database from MIM). The results are then copied to the Apache server running on RHESUS, where you can now get a nice quick glance as to who is logged in on HECnet, all in one place: http://rhesus.sampsa.com/hecnetdir.html Comments and feedback are welcome, if you wish your node(s) to be excluded from the scan, let me know. Sampsa

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CHARON is back up...

by sampsa＠mac.com

No problems, I thought I had broken something on my end - been messing with the config no end. Sampsa On 29 May 2010, at 04:26, Bob Armstrong wrote: Sampsa - I rebooted and now I can connect to GORVAX. Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:35 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] CHARON is back up... Guys, That was obviously not meant for the whole list, sorry about that... Sampsa On 28 May 2010, at 17:15, Sampsa Laine wrote: Bob, I've been messing with my MULTINET setup on my side, can you still connect CHARON to GORVAX? Sampsa On 4 Jan 2010, at 16:26, Bob Armstrong wrote: ... with a new DSL modem installed. Only the links to DUSTY and STUPI came up - I don't know what happened to everybody else. Bob

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CHARON is back up...

by bob＠jfcl.com

Sampsa - I rebooted and now I can connect to GORVAX. Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:35 AM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] CHARON is back up... Guys, That was obviously not meant for the whole list, sorry about that... Sampsa On 28 May 2010, at 17:15, Sampsa Laine wrote: Bob, I've been messing with my MULTINET setup on my side, can you still connect CHARON to GORVAX? Sampsa On 4 Jan 2010, at 16:26, Bob Armstrong wrote: ... with a new DSL modem installed. Only the links to DUSTY and STUPI came up - I don't know what happened to everybody else. Bob

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CHARON is back up...

by sampsa＠mac.com

Guys, That was obviously not meant for the whole list, sorry about that... Sampsa On 28 May 2010, at 17:15, Sampsa Laine wrote: Bob, I've been messing with my MULTINET setup on my side, can you still connect CHARON to GORVAX? Sampsa On 4 Jan 2010, at 16:26, Bob Armstrong wrote: ... with a new DSL modem installed. Only the links to DUSTY and STUPI came up - I don't know what happened to everybody else. Bob

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CHARON is back up...

by sampsa＠mac.com

Bob, I've been messing with my MULTINET setup, so have seemed to have lost my link from GORVAX to you. Any chance you can reboot it to see if the link comes back up? Sampsa On 4 Jan 2010, at 16:26, Bob Armstrong wrote: ... with a new DSL modem installed. Only the links to DUSTY and STUPI came up - I don't know what happened to everybody else. Bob

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CHARON is back up...

by sampsa＠mac.com

Bob, I've been messing with my MULTINET setup on my side, can you still connect CHARON to GORVAX? Sampsa On 4 Jan 2010, at 16:26, Bob Armstrong wrote: ... with a new DSL modem installed. Only the links to DUSTY and STUPI came up - I don't know what happened to everybody else. Bob

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hecnet.eu

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

Hi Guys, http://hecnet.eu is up and running - not much up there, but there is more to come! Johnny - can I duplicate your information on this site? It's running on an OpenVMS box connected to hecnet, the site is generated using the utility asctohtm to encourage you guys to make a contribution. Asctohtm runs on the VAX and can process very simply formatted ASCII into a nice looking webpage - perfect for adding content by using a VAX/PDP box and then copying it via hecnet onto the target. I'd also like to get a script running to determine the active state of the network, and in the long run a bit of client site charting to produce a network diagram. In the first instance I'd like email suggestions of content please (or you can email me actual content). The idea in the long run is to create a batch job that will scan the decnet default directory and pickup contributions to put on the wall by automatically converting the ascii files into HTML. I'd also like to create an online tutorial/faq to walk people through the basic decnet/bridge setup as well as point out any common issues. Lots of ideas in the pipeline - we did talk about issuing @hecnet.eu email address which would automatically get piped through a SMTP gateway - which would also be very nice. It'd also be nice to get some bios & backgrounds on people using hecnet - sometimes even though it's a big network it can feel a bit lonely! Regards, Mark

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Active node script

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 8:58 AM +0100 5/23/10, Mark Wickens wrote: There was a script running at http://www.avanthar.com:8080/nodes/ that I used to use to get an active node list. Is that script available? I'd like to run a script on my VAXstation that is up 24/7 and connected to hecnet to do that or something similar. hecnet.eu is now pointing to that box and I should have WASD configured up shortly. Regards, Mark Unfortunately two things happened, one is that I lost the powersupply in that box, and I still haven't had time to either swap powersupplies, or XP1000's. The other is that since my XP1000 and VAX are powered off I've come to realize just how much running them 24x7 was costing. :-( I had a pretty good idea what it was costing me in electricity, and as a result had already been thinking of powering it down, but as it turns out it was even more than I realized. The CGI in question requires Perl. I have some data on the box in question that I need in the next month, so I need to get it back up and running. I'll see about recovering the script as well. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Active node script

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

There was a script running at http://www.avanthar.com:8080/nodes/ that I used to use to get an active node list. Is that script available? I'd like to run a script on my VAXstation that is up 24/7 and connected to hecnet to do that or something similar. hecnet.eu is now pointing to that box and I should have WASD configured up shortly. Regards, Mark

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DECNet Issue - moving the system disk between two VMS boxes

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

NETCONFIG pretty much solves all problems... The ethernet interface on a VAXstation 4000 model 60 is recognized by DECnet as ESA0, so you'll see a LINE and a CIRCUIT called ESA-0. The VAXstation 4000 model 90 uses different hardware and the device is known as ISA-0 to DECnet. You can manually create the corresponding LINE and CIRCUIT components with NCP but running NETCONFIG is a lot faster, if not easier ;-) Hans Vlems -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Mark Wickens Verzonden: zaterdag, mei 2010 11:42 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] DECNet Issue - moving the system disk between two VMS boxes OK, So in time honoured tradition I solved the problem pretty much by asking the question. I did a NETCONFIG and a reboot and all is fine again. Regards, Mark. Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.819 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2889 - datum van uitgifte: 05/22/10 08:26:00

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