- HECnet - lists @ Update

by form＠pdp-11.org.ru

On 29.06.2010 21:50, Bob Armstrong wrote: is there a list of what areas are already in use I keep one on and off - http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Downloads/DCN%20Node%20List.pdf although it's not clear that it's completely current. People don't always send me updates as things change. Bob I've just created a `Geo location of HECnet nodes' web page (using `NCP SHOW ACTIVE NODES', above URL, INFO.TXT's and some of abusive words). You can see it here: http://pdp-11.org.ru/~form/hecnet/map/ This page uses JavaScript Google Maps API. It's incomplete, not optimized, but probably it works :) Please send me any suggestions, updates, corrections, etc...

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by bqt＠softjar.se

The layout of areas? Each area itself can be located anywhere in correspondance to other areas. Traffic within one area is also pretty much free to work any way it see fit. If you have a large area with several routers and different circuits, where you can observe different traffic properties across them, it might pay to set the costs of the different circuits accordingly. But for most of the time, the internet is just fast enough that you don't have to worry about any tweaking at all. My main concern with the bridge is that it can/will grow so big being just one segment, that we'll have more broadcast traffic going on than we are comfortable with, along with the fact that DECnet have limits on how many machines and routers are allowed on a single segment. But we'll probably not have problem with this in a while anyway, so I'm not overly worried. Johnny Joe Ferraro wrote: Currently in the Louisville, KY area. What makes the most sense regarding the layout of areas (is that even something to consider overall?!?!)? Obviously, right now with the ethernet bridging it seems to make sense... but I'm quite unsure of the failure mode of DECnet. Just wondering if any planning was necessary / made sense overall. Take care, Joe On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Steve Davidson <davidson at declab.net <mailto:davidson at declab.net>> wrote: Joe, Where are you (in the states)? -Steve Hollis, New Hampshire > > --001485e8cefcc738be048ac0ba71 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Johnny, > > At the present, I'm hitching a ride with Sampsa ... > > I've taken: > > 8.501 - WOPR > 8.502 - SIOP > > Do we have a geographical view of the net? Not sure it make a lot of sense > for me to forward several thousand miles / km, over to Sampsa... just to > return to a "local" machine here in the states... > > > Thanks (and, apologies if its already been queried), > > Joe > > --001485e8cefcc738be048ac0ba71 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Johnny, At the present, I'm hitching a ride with Sampsa ... = > I've taken: 8.501 - WOPR 8.502 - SIOP Do we have = > a geographical view of the net? Not sure it make a lot of sense for me to f= > orward several thousand miles / km, over to Sampsa... just to return to a &= > quot;local" machine here in the states... > Thanks (and, apologies if its already been queried), Joe > > --001485e8cefcc738be048ac0ba71-- >

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by bqt＠softjar.se

Hi, Joe. Your names have been added in the database. :-) No, we do not have a geagraphical view of HECnet. I think one was done several years ago, but if that can be found, it is probably very outdated by now. It would be fun to have a current one, though. Anyone feel like creating it? It would perhaps make sense to use one as the basis for some connection setups. However, it is more difficult than imagined sometimes, because the geographical locations do not necessarily correspond with network connectivity. HECnet is usually more helped by low latency than high bandwidth, and figuring that out all over the place can be tricky. Johnny Joe Ferraro wrote: Johnny, At the present, I'm hitching a ride with Sampsa ... I've taken: 8.501 - WOPR 8.502 - SIOP Do we have a geographical view of the net? Not sure it make a lot of sense for me to forward several thousand miles / km, over to Sampsa... just to return to a "local" machine here in the states... Thanks (and, apologies if its already been queried), Joe

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by jferraro＠gmail.com

Currently in the Louisville, KY area. What makes the most sense regarding the layout of areas (is that even something to consider overall?!?!)? Obviously, right now with the ethernet bridging it seems to make sense... but I'm quite unsure of the failure mode of DECnet. Just wondering if any planning was necessary / made sense overall. Take care, Joe On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Steve Davidson <davidson at declab.net> wrote: Joe, Where are you (in the states)? -Steve Hollis, New Hampshire > > --001485e8cefcc738be048ac0ba71 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Johnny, > > At the present, I'm hitching a ride with Sampsa ... > > I've taken: > > 8.501 - WOPR > 8.502 - SIOP > > Do we have a geographical view of the net? Not sure it make a lot of sense > for me to forward several thousand miles / km, over to Sampsa... just to > return to a "local" machine here in the states... > > > Thanks (and, apologies if its already been queried), > > Joe > > --001485e8cefcc738be048ac0ba71 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Johnny, At the present, I'm hitching a ride with Sampsa ... = > I've taken: 8.501 - WOPR 8.502 - SIOP Do we have = > a geographical view of the net? Not sure it make a lot of sense for me to f= > orward several thousand miles / km, over to Sampsa... just to return to a &= > quot;local" machine here in the states... > Thanks (and, apologies if its already been queried), Joe > > --001485e8cefcc738be048ac0ba71-- >

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by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Steve Davidson <davidson at declab.net> wrote: Joe, Where are you (in the states)? -Steve Hollis, New Hampshire --001485e8cefcc738be048ac0ba71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Johnny, At the present, I'm hitching a ride with Sampsa ... I've taken: 8.501 - WOPR 8.502 - SIOP Do we have a geographical view of the net? Not sure it make a lot of sense for me to forward several thousand miles / km, over to Sampsa... just to return to a "local" machine here in the states... Thanks (and, apologies if its already been queried), Joe --001485e8cefcc738be048ac0ba71 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Johnny, At the present, I'm hitching a ride with Sampsa ... = I've taken: 8.501 - WOPR 8.502 - SIOP Do we have = a geographical view of the net? Not sure it make a lot of sense for me to f= orward several thousand miles / km, over to Sampsa... just to return to a &= quot;local" machine here in the states... Thanks (and, apologies if its already been queried), Joe --001485e8cefcc738be048ac0ba71-- Hello! Especially since I happen to know that the majority of the military's systems for running the deterrent was in fact based on DEC hardware. For example at one point the silos ran PDP-8s and then PDP-11s locally. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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Moving MIM

by pontus＠update.uu.se

Hi We will move MIM physically on thursday in order to reorganise our computer room. We should make it without any downtime, but you never know. So if your terminal goes blank on thursday, you know why :) Regards, Pontus.

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MIM updated with the latest supported version of NETUPDATE.COM

by davidson＠declab.net

The latest "supported" version of NETUPDATE.COM has been copied over to MIM in the default DECnet directory (MIM::US:[DECNET]). This is the same version that can be found at SGC::[DECNET]. If you are already running edit level 4 (NETUPDATE.COM;4) then you are running the latest version. -Steve

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Attaching to hecnet

by bqt＠softjar.se

Hans, I was actually thinking of the IP address, not the DECnet address. But since you provided that in a previous mail in this thread, I'll assume that is still correct, and do the config on my side now. Keep in touch... I suspect we'll have to talk more in a few minutes... Johnny H Vlems wrote: Johnny, here goes: - The UDP port number is 4711. - The machine in question is a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, DECnet address 1.1010, name NIKKEL. The machine will eventually get address 44.11 once I get this working. Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: dinsdag, juli 2010 14:15 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Yes, Hans. It is correct that I have to do something too... I need to add you to my config file. In order for that, I need to know both what machine to add, and what port number you are using. Johnny H Vlems wrote: I think Johnny has to do something at his end to make this work. The bridge software points to port 4711 (TCP right, not UDP) on psilo.update.uu.se I should be able to set host 8592, right? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Sampsa Laine Verzonden: maandag, juli 2010 22:01 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet You should probably copy the node database off MIM, there's also a web based node listing tool here: http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com Sampsa On 5 Jul 2010, at 20:59, H Vlems wrote: Good news Johnny, the bridge program runs! Now how do I find other nodes in area 1? My own system uses DECnet address 1.1010 The outside ip address of my adsl router is: 87.209.50.192 Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 9:36 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Both sides needs to agree on that, and add it at both ends, or LAT traffic will not pass through... Johnny Steve Davidson wrote: If you are considering the bridge AND you are running LAT then you might want to consider adding LAT to bridge.conf. -Steve Hi. H Vlems wrote: OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf file that I can use? Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no. However, it should look something like this: ================ [bridge] local <your ethernet interface name> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711 [decnet] local update ================= And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea. My external IP address is: Name: osmium.homeip.net Address: 87.209.50.192 That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also need to know what port number you will be using. I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that be for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??) Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-) (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not know...) And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic between your box, at whatever port you are using, and psilo.update.uu.se:4711. And this is UDP traffic. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi, Hans. H Vlems wrote: OK Johnny, talk to me :-) This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to HECnet. 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge software and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address 1.1010. That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to try. 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in area 44. I'd like to try that connection without the linux system. You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case. Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up. Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet does it? Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large unknown factor from the equation (the linux box). Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to. So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work? Someone to connect to... Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet H Vlems wrote: What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's routing will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is limited by the phase III host :-) I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it. But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate? Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems. I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf file work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this work? Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to use to test. But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge running, to act as the remote end. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III. Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I don't think anyone around is running phase III anyway. There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and phase V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on Alpha, and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-) True, as far as that goes. However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV area router. Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could not be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell an Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to. However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-) And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another machine with DECnet+? Two questions: 1-May I use area 44? Sure. 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to HECnet? Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu ? My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html) only have information about the bridge. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Marc Chametzky Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet DECnet-Plus isn't able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV, all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST. It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway. Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO. --Marc Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2966 - datum van uitgifte: 06/27/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2968 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 08:37:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2983 - datum van uitgifte: 07/05/10 08:36:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2983 - datum van uitgifte: 07/05/10 08:36:00

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by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Johnny, here goes: - The UDP port number is 4711. - The machine in question is a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, DECnet address 1.1010, name NIKKEL. The machine will eventually get address 44.11 once I get this working. Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: dinsdag, juli 2010 14:15 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Yes, Hans. It is correct that I have to do something too... I need to add you to my config file. In order for that, I need to know both what machine to add, and what port number you are using. Johnny H Vlems wrote: I think Johnny has to do something at his end to make this work. The bridge software points to port 4711 (TCP right, not UDP) on psilo.update.uu.se I should be able to set host 8592, right? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Sampsa Laine Verzonden: maandag, juli 2010 22:01 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet You should probably copy the node database off MIM, there's also a web based node listing tool here: http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com Sampsa On 5 Jul 2010, at 20:59, H Vlems wrote: Good news Johnny, the bridge program runs! Now how do I find other nodes in area 1? My own system uses DECnet address 1.1010 The outside ip address of my adsl router is: 87.209.50.192 Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 9:36 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Both sides needs to agree on that, and add it at both ends, or LAT traffic will not pass through... Johnny Steve Davidson wrote: If you are considering the bridge AND you are running LAT then you might want to consider adding LAT to bridge.conf. -Steve Hi. H Vlems wrote: OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf file that I can use? Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no. However, it should look something like this: ================ [bridge] local <your ethernet interface name> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711 [decnet] local update ================= And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea. My external IP address is: Name: osmium.homeip.net Address: 87.209.50.192 That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also need to know what port number you will be using. I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that be for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??) Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-) (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not know...) And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic between your box, at whatever port you are using, and psilo.update.uu.se:4711. And this is UDP traffic. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi, Hans. H Vlems wrote: OK Johnny, talk to me :-) This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to HECnet. 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge software and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address 1.1010. That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to try. 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in area 44. I'd like to try that connection without the linux system. You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case. Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up. Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet does it? Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large unknown factor from the equation (the linux box). Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to. So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work? Someone to connect to... Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet H Vlems wrote: What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's routing will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is limited by the phase III host :-) I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it. But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate? Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems. I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf file work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this work? Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to use to test. But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge running, to act as the remote end. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III. Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I don't think anyone around is running phase III anyway. There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and phase V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on Alpha, and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-) True, as far as that goes. However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV area router. Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could not be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell an Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to. However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-) And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another machine with DECnet+? Two questions: 1-May I use area 44? Sure. 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to HECnet? Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu ? My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html) only have information about the bridge. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Marc Chametzky Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet DECnet-Plus isn't able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV, all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST. It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway. Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO. --Marc Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2966 - datum van uitgifte: 06/27/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2968 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 08:37:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2983 - datum van uitgifte: 07/05/10 08:36:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2983 - datum van uitgifte: 07/05/10 08:36:00

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Attaching to hecnet

by bqt＠softjar.se

Yes, Hans. It is correct that I have to do something too... I need to add you to my config file. In order for that, I need to know both what machine to add, and what port number you are using. Johnny H Vlems wrote: I think Johnny has to do something at his end to make this work. The bridge software points to port 4711 (TCP right, not UDP) on psilo.update.uu.se I should be able to set host 8592, right? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Sampsa Laine Verzonden: maandag, juli 2010 22:01 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet You should probably copy the node database off MIM, there's also a web based node listing tool here: http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com Sampsa On 5 Jul 2010, at 20:59, H Vlems wrote: Good news Johnny, the bridge program runs! Now how do I find other nodes in area 1? My own system uses DECnet address 1.1010 The outside ip address of my adsl router is: 87.209.50.192 Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 9:36 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Both sides needs to agree on that, and add it at both ends, or LAT traffic will not pass through... Johnny Steve Davidson wrote: If you are considering the bridge AND you are running LAT then you might want to consider adding LAT to bridge.conf. -Steve Hi. H Vlems wrote: OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf file that I can use? Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no. However, it should look something like this: ================ [bridge] local <your ethernet interface name> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711 [decnet] local update ================= And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea. My external IP address is: Name: osmium.homeip.net Address: 87.209.50.192 That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also need to know what port number you will be using. I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that be for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??) Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-) (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not know...) And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic between your box, at whatever port you are using, and psilo.update.uu.se:4711. And this is UDP traffic. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi, Hans. H Vlems wrote: OK Johnny, talk to me :-) This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to HECnet. 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge software and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address 1.1010. That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to try. 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in area 44. I'd like to try that connection without the linux system. You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case. Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up. Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet does it? Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large unknown factor from the equation (the linux box). Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to. So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work? Someone to connect to... Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet H Vlems wrote: What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's routing will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is limited by the phase III host :-) I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it. But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate? Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems. I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf file work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this work? Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to use to test. But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge running, to act as the remote end. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III. Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I don't think anyone around is running phase III anyway. There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and phase V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on Alpha, and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-) True, as far as that goes. However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV area router. Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could not be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell an Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to. However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-) And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another machine with DECnet+? Two questions: 1-May I use area 44? Sure. 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to HECnet? Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu ? My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html) only have information about the bridge. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Marc Chametzky Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet DECnet-Plus isn't able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV, all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST. It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway. Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO. --Marc Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2966 - datum van uitgifte: 06/27/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2968 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 08:37:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2983 - datum van uitgifte: 07/05/10 08:36:00

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by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

I'm reading chapter 8 of the Network Management manual (DECnet plus doc kit). \Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Sampsa Laine Verzonden: zondag, juni 2010 23:06 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet I've got a SIMH VAX with Decnet+ set up somewhere, so I might be up for trying to get the Decnet+-IP-tunnel thingie going. Sampsa On 27 Jun 2010, at 22:03, Johnny Billquist wrote: Kari Uusim ki wrote: On 27.6.2010 13:44, Mark Wickens wrote: Hi Guys, There is some info on http://hecnet.eu but at the moment it is very targeted to a 'standard' installation. If you end up using a non-standard installation please let me know what you have to do so I can add the info to the website. If you want your own area Johnny is your man - he is busy but will get round to answering your query. I'd be interested to know if it's possible to get the bridge working under tru64 also... Regards, Mark . Well, what is standard and what is not. That is a question of from which point of view you are thinking, isn't it? ;) To some people the DECnet-plus or Multinet with DECnet-over-IP is standard and to others the Cisco tunneling is standard. To the HECnet community the bridge software is standard.

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by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Err, right you are (red face, Johnny did write that). I corrected that on the adsl router but still no joy. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Steve Davidson Verzonden: maandag, juli 2010 22:39 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet UDP is what the bridge makes use of. -Steve I think Johnny has to do something at his end to make this work. The bridge software points to port 4711 (TCP right, not UDP) on psilo.update.uu.se I should be able to set host 8592, right? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Sampsa Laine Verzonden: maandag, juli 2010 22:01 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet You should probably copy the node database off MIM, there's also a web based node listing tool here: http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com Sampsa On 5 Jul 2010, at 20:59, H Vlems wrote: Good news Johnny, the bridge program runs! Now how do I find other nodes in area 1? My own system uses DECnet address 1.1010 The outside ip address of my adsl router is: 87.209.50.192 Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 9:36 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Both sides needs to agree on that, and add it at both ends, or LAT traffic will not pass through... Johnny Steve Davidson wrote: If you are considering the bridge AND you are running LAT then you might want to consider adding LAT to bridge.conf. -Steve Hi. H Vlems wrote: OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf file that I can use? Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no. However, it should look something like this: ================ [bridge] local <your ethernet interface name> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711 [decnet] local update ================= And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea. My external IP address is: Name: osmium.homeip.net Address: 87.209.50.192 That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also need to know what port number you will be using. I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that be for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??) Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-) (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not know...) And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic between your box, at whatever port you are using, and psilo.update.uu.se:4711. And this is UDP traffic. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi, Hans. H Vlems wrote: OK Johnny, talk to me :-) This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to HECnet. 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge software and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address 1.1010. That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to try. 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in area 44. I'd like to try that connection without the linux system. You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case. Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up. Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet does it? Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large unknown factor from the equation (the linux box). Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to. So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work? Someone to connect to... Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet H Vlems wrote: What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's routing will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is limited by the phase III host :-) I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it. But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate? Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems. I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf file work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this work? Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to use to test. But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge running, to act as the remote end. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III. Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I don't think anyone around is running phase III anyway. There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and phase V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on Alpha, and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-) True, as far as that goes. However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV area router. Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could not be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell an Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to. However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-) And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another machine with DECnet+? Two questions: 1-May I use area 44? Sure. 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to HECnet? Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu ? My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html) only have information about the bridge. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Marc Chametzky Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet DECnet-Plus isn't able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV, all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST. It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway. Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO. --Marc Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2966 - datum van uitgifte: 06/27/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2968 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 08:37:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2983 - datum van uitgifte: 07/05/10 08:36:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2983 - datum van uitgifte: 07/05/10 08:36:00

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by davidson＠declab.net

UDP is what the bridge makes use of. -Steve I think Johnny has to do something at his end to make this work. The bridge software points to port 4711 (TCP right, not UDP) on psilo.update.uu.se I should be able to set host 8592, right? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Sampsa Laine Verzonden: maandag, juli 2010 22:01 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet You should probably copy the node database off MIM, there's also a web based node listing tool here: http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com Sampsa On 5 Jul 2010, at 20:59, H Vlems wrote: Good news Johnny, the bridge program runs! Now how do I find other nodes in area 1? My own system uses DECnet address 1.1010 The outside ip address of my adsl router is: 87.209.50.192 Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 9:36 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Both sides needs to agree on that, and add it at both ends, or LAT traffic will not pass through... Johnny Steve Davidson wrote: If you are considering the bridge AND you are running LAT then you might want to consider adding LAT to bridge.conf. -Steve Hi. H Vlems wrote: OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf file that I can use? Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no. However, it should look something like this: ================ [bridge] local <your ethernet interface name> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711 [decnet] local update ================= And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea. My external IP address is: Name: osmium.homeip.net Address: 87.209.50.192 That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also need to know what port number you will be using. I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that be for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??) Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-) (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not know...) And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic between your box, at whatever port you are using, and psilo.update.uu.se:4711. And this is UDP traffic. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi, Hans. H Vlems wrote: OK Johnny, talk to me :-) This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to HECnet. 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge software and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address 1.1010. That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to try. 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in area 44. I'd like to try that connection without the linux system. You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case. Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up. Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet does it? Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large unknown factor from the equation (the linux box). Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to. So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work? Someone to connect to... Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet H Vlems wrote: What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's routing will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is limited by the phase III host :-) I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it. But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate? Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems. I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf file work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this work? Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to use to test. But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge running, to act as the remote end. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III. Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I don't think anyone around is running phase III anyway. There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and phase V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on Alpha, and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-) True, as far as that goes. However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV area router. Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could not be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell an Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to. However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-) And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another machine with DECnet+? Two questions: 1-May I use area 44? Sure. 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to HECnet? Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu ? My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html) only have information about the bridge. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Marc Chametzky Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet DECnet-Plus isn't able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV, all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST. It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway. Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO. --Marc Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2966 - datum van uitgifte: 06/27/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2968 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 08:37:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2983 - datum van uitgifte: 07/05/10 08:36:00

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by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

I think Johnny has to do something at his end to make this work. The bridge software points to port 4711 (TCP right, not UDP) on psilo.update.uu.se I should be able to set host 8592, right? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Sampsa Laine Verzonden: maandag, juli 2010 22:01 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet You should probably copy the node database off MIM, there's also a web based node listing tool here: http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com Sampsa On 5 Jul 2010, at 20:59, H Vlems wrote: Good news Johnny, the bridge program runs! Now how do I find other nodes in area 1? My own system uses DECnet address 1.1010 The outside ip address of my adsl router is: 87.209.50.192 Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 9:36 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Both sides needs to agree on that, and add it at both ends, or LAT traffic will not pass through... Johnny Steve Davidson wrote: If you are considering the bridge AND you are running LAT then you might want to consider adding LAT to bridge.conf. -Steve Hi. H Vlems wrote: OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf file that I can use? Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no. However, it should look something like this: ================ [bridge] local <your ethernet interface name> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711 [decnet] local update ================= And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea. My external IP address is: Name: osmium.homeip.net Address: 87.209.50.192 That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also need to know what port number you will be using. I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that be for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??) Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-) (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not know...) And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic between your box, at whatever port you are using, and psilo.update.uu.se:4711. And this is UDP traffic. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi, Hans. H Vlems wrote: OK Johnny, talk to me :-) This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to HECnet. 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge software and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address 1.1010. That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to try. 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in area 44. I'd like to try that connection without the linux system. You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case. Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up. Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet does it? Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large unknown factor from the equation (the linux box). Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to. So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work? Someone to connect to... Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet H Vlems wrote: What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's routing will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is limited by the phase III host :-) I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it. But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate? Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems. I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf file work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this work? Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to use to test. But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge running, to act as the remote end. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III. Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I don't think anyone around is running phase III anyway. There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and phase V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on Alpha, and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-) True, as far as that goes. However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV area router. Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could not be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell an Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to. However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-) And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another machine with DECnet+? Two questions: 1-May I use area 44? Sure. 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to HECnet? Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu ? My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html) only have information about the bridge. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Marc Chametzky Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet DECnet-Plus isn't able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV, all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST. It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway. Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO. --Marc Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2966 - datum van uitgifte: 06/27/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2968 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 08:37:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2983 - datum van uitgifte: 07/05/10 08:36:00

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by sampsa＠mac.com

You should probably copy the node database off MIM, there's also a web based node listing tool here: http://rhesus.sampsa.com/cgi-bin/hecnetinfo/hecnetinfo.com Sampsa On 5 Jul 2010, at 20:59, H Vlems wrote: Good news Johnny, the bridge program runs! Now how do I find other nodes in area 1? My own system uses DECnet address 1.1010 The outside ip address of my adsl router is: 87.209.50.192 Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 9:36 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Both sides needs to agree on that, and add it at both ends, or LAT traffic will not pass through... Johnny Steve Davidson wrote: If you are considering the bridge AND you are running LAT then you might want to consider adding LAT to bridge.conf. -Steve Hi. H Vlems wrote: OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf file that I can use? Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no. However, it should look something like this: ================ [bridge] local <your ethernet interface name> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711 [decnet] local update ================= And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea. My external IP address is: Name: osmium.homeip.net Address: 87.209.50.192 That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also need to know what port number you will be using. I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that be for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??) Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-) (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not know...) And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic between your box, at whatever port you are using, and psilo.update.uu.se:4711. And this is UDP traffic. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi, Hans. H Vlems wrote: OK Johnny, talk to me :-) This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to HECnet. 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge software and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address 1.1010. That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to try. 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in area 44. I'd like to try that connection without the linux system. You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case. Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up. Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet does it? Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large unknown factor from the equation (the linux box). Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to. So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work? Someone to connect to... Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet H Vlems wrote: What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's routing will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is limited by the phase III host :-) I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it. But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate? Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems. I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf file work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this work? Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to use to test. But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge running, to act as the remote end. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III. Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I don't think anyone around is running phase III anyway. There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and phase V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on Alpha, and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-) True, as far as that goes. However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV area router. Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could not be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell an Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to. However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-) And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another machine with DECnet+? Two questions: 1-May I use area 44? Sure. 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to HECnet? Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu? My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html) only have information about the bridge. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Marc Chametzky Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet DECnet-Plus isn't able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV, all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST. It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway. Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO. --Marc Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2966 - datum van uitgifte: 06/27/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2968 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 08:37:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00

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by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Good news Johnny, the bridge program runs! Now how do I find other nodes in area 1? My own system uses DECnet address 1.1010 The outside ip address of my adsl router is: 87.209.50.192 Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 9:36 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Both sides needs to agree on that, and add it at both ends, or LAT traffic will not pass through... Johnny Steve Davidson wrote: If you are considering the bridge AND you are running LAT then you might want to consider adding LAT to bridge.conf. -Steve Hi. H Vlems wrote: OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf file that I can use? Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no. However, it should look something like this: ================ [bridge] local <your ethernet interface name> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711 [decnet] local update ================= And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea. My external IP address is: Name: osmium.homeip.net Address: 87.209.50.192 That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also need to know what port number you will be using. I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that be for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??) Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-) (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not know...) And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic between your box, at whatever port you are using, and psilo.update.uu.se:4711. And this is UDP traffic. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi, Hans. H Vlems wrote: OK Johnny, talk to me :-) This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to HECnet. 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge software and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address 1.1010. That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to try. 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in area 44. I'd like to try that connection without the linux system. You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case. Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up. Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet does it? Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large unknown factor from the equation (the linux box). Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to. So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work? Someone to connect to... Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet H Vlems wrote: What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's routing will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is limited by the phase III host :-) I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it. But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate? Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems. I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf file work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this work? Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to use to test. But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge running, to act as the remote end. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III. Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I don't think anyone around is running phase III anyway. There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and phase V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on Alpha, and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-) True, as far as that goes. However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV area router. Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could not be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell an Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to. However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-) And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another machine with DECnet+? Two questions: 1-May I use area 44? Sure. 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to HECnet? Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu? My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html) only have information about the bridge. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Marc Chametzky Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet DECnet-Plus isn't able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV, all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST. It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway. Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO. --Marc Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2966 - datum van uitgifte: 06/27/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2968 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 08:37:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00

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by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Joe, The yum install command did the trick. The make command worked flawlessly afterwards, so I now have a bridge executable. The yum install command gave me the impression that it downloaded a new file from the Internet, is that correct? Now I m testing the bridge program . Hans Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Joe Ferraro Verzonden: maandag, juli 2010 0:01 Aan: hecnet at update.uu.se Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hans, Assuming you can priv up to root, you should be able to search the `rpm` database on your system (I believe you said you are on a red-hat system). # rpm -qa |grep -i pcap If libpcap is not installed, you may be able to use a tool such as `yum` to identify the package that you need to add. For example: # yum whatprovides */libpcap.so */libpcap.a <... SNIP...> 14:libpcap-devel-0.9.4-15.el5.x86_64 : A pcap library. Repo : base Matched from: Filename : /usr/lib64/libpcap.so 14:libpcap-devel-0.9.4-15.el5.x86_64 : A pcap library. Repo : base Matched from: Filename : /usr/lib64/libpcap.a You could then, potentially, install one of the listed libs... # yum install libpcap-devel* or what have you.... Pay attention to the path... you may need to instruct the bridge code on the whereabouts of the lib... (which can, of course be determined with the fore-mentioned rpm commands)... Joe On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 4:28 PM, H Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote: Apparently it is already on the system. But unixes have a tremendous capacity to hide resources for the simple owner/user .... Steve Davidson knows the answer, he's done the trick on a BSD system. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: zondag, juli 2010 22:22 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet I'll happily answer any questions, and so on. pcap is a library that is needed by the bridge program, but exactly how you get that onto your machine is beyond me. Johnny H Vlems wrote: > Johnny, as soon as I've figured out how this works I'll write a manual for > you :-) > But you've got to guide me through the entire painful process first. > I had to shut down my Fedora 9 workstation because of the heat. > The error messages I got while attempting to compile the source were all > related to 'pcap'. Any suggestions? > > Hans > > PS > Later in the evening when the system is up again I'll post more information. > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens > Johnny Billquist > Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 9:50 > Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE > Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet > > You don't need "your own" port number. You need a port number. You are > free to pick any that isn't used by something else on your system. > > That said, 4744 works just as fine as anything else, including 4711. As > Sampsa pointed out, you can use 4711 as well, if you want to. It only > needs to be unique on your system. What ports I (or anyone else) is > using, does not affect you more than that you have to have that > information in your conf-file. > > Your own port number is specified on the command line, as mentioned as well. > > Oh, and the reason you haven't seen a manual about the bridge program is > because I've never written one. :-) > Feel free to contribute... ;-) > > Johnny > > H Vlems wrote: >> OK, I understand that part (I think) of the bridge program. >> I wasn't aware that I'd need my own port number. I'll opt for 4744, if > that >> is alright. >> Do I need to configure this somewhere (like in the .conf file)? >> Hans >> >> PS >> My apologies for all these questions but I haven't seen a manual about the >> bridge program.... >> >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens >> Johnny Billquist >> Verzonden: donderdag, juli 2010 15:45 >> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE >> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet >> >> Hi. >> >> H Vlems wrote: >>> OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf >> file >>> that I can use? >> Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no. >> >> However, it should look something like this: >> ================ >> [bridge] >> local <your ethernet interface name> >> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711 >> [decnet] >> local >> update >> ================= >> >> And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea. >> >>> My external IP address is: >>> >>> Name: osmium.homeip.net >>> Address: 87.209.50.192 >> That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also >> need to know what port number you will be using. >> >>> I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that >> be >>> for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??) >> Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-) >> (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not >> know...) >> >> And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic >> between your box, at whatever port you are using, and >> psilo.update.uu.se:4711. And this is UDP traffic. >> >> Johnny >> >>> Hans >>> >>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>> Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens >>> Johnny Billquist >>> Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16 >>> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE >>> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet >>> >>> Hi, Hans. >>> >>> H Vlems wrote: >>>> OK Johnny, talk to me :-) >>>> This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to >>>> HECnet. >>>> 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge > software >>>> and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address >>> 1.1010. >>> >>> That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to >>> connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to >>> try. >>> >>>> 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in >>> area >>>> 44. >>>> I'd like to try that connection without the linux system. >>> You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case. >>> Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I >>> don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up. >>> >>> Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet >>> does it? >>> >>>> Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large >> unknown >>>> factor from the equation (the linux box). >>> Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to. >>> >>>> So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work? >>> Someone to connect to... >>> >>> Johnny >>> >>>> Hans >>>> >>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>>> Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens >>>> Johnny Billquist >>>> Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03 >>>> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE >>>> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet >>>> >>>> H Vlems wrote: >>>>> What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity >>>>> between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's >> routing >>>>> will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is >>>>> limited by the phase III host :-) >>>> I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC > >>>> never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it. >>>> >>>>> But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III >>>>> system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate? >>>> Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems. >>>> >>>>> I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf > file >>>>> work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this >>>> work? >>>> >>>> Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to >>>> use to test. >>>> But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge >>>> running, to act as the remote end. >>>> >>>> Johnny >>>> >>>>> Hans >>>>> >>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>>>> Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] > Namens >>>>> Johnny Billquist >>>>> Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02 >>>>> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE >>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet >>>>> >>>>> Hi. >>>>> >>>>> H Vlems wrote: >>>>>> DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III. >>>>> Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase >>>>> III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I > don't >>>>> think anyone around is running phase III anyway. >>>>> >>>>>> There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and >>>>> phase >>>>>> V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on >>>>> Alpha, >>>>>> and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-) >>>>> True, as far as that goes. >>>>> However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV >>>>> area router. >>>>> >>>>> Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could > not >>>>> be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell > an >>>>> Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to. >>>>> >>>>> However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-) >>>>> >>>>> And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember >>>>> (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as >>>>> well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another >>>>> machine with DECnet+? >>>>> >>>>>> Two questions: >>>>>> 1-May I use area 44? >>>>> Sure. >>>>> >>>>>> 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to > HECnet? >>>>> Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu? >>>>> My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html) only have > information >>>>> about the bridge. >>>>> >>>>> Johnny >>>>> >>>>>> Hans >>>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>>>>> Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] >> Namens >>>>>> Marc Chametzky >>>>>> Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04 >>>>>> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE >>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet >>>>>> >>>>>>> DECnet-Plus isn't >>>>>>> able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can >>>>>>> potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues >>>>>>> with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included >>>>>>> VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase >> IV, >>>>>>> all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST. >>>>>> It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet > Phase >>>>>> III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase >>>>>> IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO. >>>>>> >>>>>> --Marc >>>>>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >>>>>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2966 - datum van uitgifte: >>>>> 06/27/10 >>>>>> 08:35:00 >>>>>> >>>>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >>>>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2968 - datum van uitgifte: >>>> 06/28/10 >>>>> 08:37:00 >>>>> >>>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >>>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: >>> 06/28/10 >>>> 20:35:00 >>>> >>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >>> Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: >> 06/28/10 >>> 20:35:00 >>> >> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >> Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: > 07/01/10 >> 08:35:00 >> > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 > 08:35:00 > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2981 - datum van uitgifte: 07/04/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2983 - datum van uitgifte: 07/05/10 08:36:00

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Yeah, but then I need to process all packets myself to sort out the ones I'm interested in, set the interface up in promiscous mode, and hack around... That's why the pcap library exist. So that I don't have to do all that. :-) Johnny John Wilson wrote: I should know better than to open my big yap but: pcap isn't the only way to do raw packet I/O on Linux; you can also use socket(PF_PACKET) and not need any special libraries. Maybe a bit of conditionalized code in bridge.c would make it easier to build on Linux w/o breaking it on other Unices? (Yes I'd be happy to contribute code -- I've been working on my own mopd replacement anyway partly because of how hard mopd is to build on Slackware Linux.) John Wilson D Bit

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by jferraro＠gmail.com

Hans, Assuming you can priv up to root, you should be able to search the `rpm` database on your system (I believe you said you are on a red-hat system). # rpm -qa |grep -i pcap If libpcap is not installed, you may be able to use a tool such as `yum` to identify the package that you need to add. For example: # yum whatprovides */libpcap.so */libpcap.a <... SNIP...> 14:libpcap-devel-0.9.4-15.el5.x86_64 : A pcap library. Repo : base Matched from: Filename : /usr/lib64/libpcap.so 14:libpcap-devel-0.9.4-15.el5.x86_64 : A pcap library. Repo : base Matched from: Filename : /usr/lib64/libpcap.a You could then, potentially, install one of the listed libs... # yum install libpcap-devel* or what have you.... Pay attention to the path... you may need to instruct the bridge code on the whereabouts of the lib... (which can, of course be determined with the fore-mentioned rpm commands)... Joe On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 4:28 PM, H Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote: Apparently it is already on the system. But unixes have a tremendous capacity to hide resources for the simple owner/user .... Steve Davidson knows the answer, he's done the trick on a BSD system. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: zondag, juli 2010 22:22 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet I'll happily answer any questions, and so on. pcap is a library that is needed by the bridge program, but exactly how you get that onto your machine is beyond me. Johnny H Vlems wrote: > Johnny, as soon as I've figured out how this works I'll write a manual for > you :-) > But you've got to guide me through the entire painful process first. > I had to shut down my Fedora 9 workstation because of the heat. > The error messages I got while attempting to compile the source were all > related to 'pcap'. Any suggestions? > > Hans > > PS > Later in the evening when the system is up again I'll post more information. > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens > Johnny Billquist > Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 9:50 > Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE > Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet > > You don't need "your own" port number. You need a port number. You are > free to pick any that isn't used by something else on your system. > > That said, 4744 works just as fine as anything else, including 4711. As > Sampsa pointed out, you can use 4711 as well, if you want to. It only > needs to be unique on your system. What ports I (or anyone else) is > using, does not affect you more than that you have to have that > information in your conf-file. > > Your own port number is specified on the command line, as mentioned as well. > > Oh, and the reason you haven't seen a manual about the bridge program is > because I've never written one. :-) > Feel free to contribute... ;-) > > Johnny > > H Vlems wrote: >> OK, I understand that part (I think) of the bridge program. >> I wasn't aware that I'd need my own port number. I'll opt for 4744, if > that >> is alright. >> Do I need to configure this somewhere (like in the .conf file)? >> Hans >> >> PS >> My apologies for all these questions but I haven't seen a manual about the >> bridge program.... >> >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens >> Johnny Billquist >> Verzonden: donderdag, juli 2010 15:45 >> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE >> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet >> >> Hi. >> >> H Vlems wrote: >>> OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf >> file >>> that I can use? >> Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no. >> >> However, it should look something like this: >> ================ >> [bridge] >> local <your ethernet interface name> >> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711 >> [decnet] >> local >> update >> ================= >> >> And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea. >> >>> My external IP address is: >>> >>> Name: osmium.homeip.net >>> Address: 87.209.50.192 >> That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also >> need to know what port number you will be using. >> >>> I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that >> be >>> for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??) >> Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-) >> (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not >> know...) >> >> And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic >> between your box, at whatever port you are using, and >> psilo.update.uu.se:4711. And this is UDP traffic. >> >> Johnny >> >>> Hans >>> >>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>> Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens >>> Johnny Billquist >>> Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16 >>> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE >>> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet >>> >>> Hi, Hans. >>> >>> H Vlems wrote: >>>> OK Johnny, talk to me :-) >>>> This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to >>>> HECnet. >>>> 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge > software >>>> and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address >>> 1.1010. >>> >>> That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to >>> connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to >>> try. >>> >>>> 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in >>> area >>>> 44. >>>> I'd like to try that connection without the linux system. >>> You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case. >>> Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I >>> don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up. >>> >>> Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet >>> does it? >>> >>>> Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large >> unknown >>>> factor from the equation (the linux box). >>> Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to. >>> >>>> So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work? >>> Someone to connect to... >>> >>> Johnny >>> >>>> Hans >>>> >>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>>> Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens >>>> Johnny Billquist >>>> Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03 >>>> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE >>>> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet >>>> >>>> H Vlems wrote: >>>>> What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity >>>>> between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's >> routing >>>>> will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is >>>>> limited by the phase III host :-) >>>> I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC > >>>> never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it. >>>> >>>>> But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III >>>>> system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate? >>>> Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems. >>>> >>>>> I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf > file >>>>> work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this >>>> work? >>>> >>>> Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to >>>> use to test. >>>> But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge >>>> running, to act as the remote end. >>>> >>>> Johnny >>>> >>>>> Hans >>>>> >>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>>>> Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] > Namens >>>>> Johnny Billquist >>>>> Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02 >>>>> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE >>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet >>>>> >>>>> Hi. >>>>> >>>>> H Vlems wrote: >>>>>> DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III. >>>>> Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase >>>>> III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I > don't >>>>> think anyone around is running phase III anyway. >>>>> >>>>>> There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and >>>>> phase >>>>>> V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on >>>>> Alpha, >>>>>> and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-) >>>>> True, as far as that goes. >>>>> However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV >>>>> area router. >>>>> >>>>> Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could > not >>>>> be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell > an >>>>> Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to. >>>>> >>>>> However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-) >>>>> >>>>> And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember >>>>> (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as >>>>> well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another >>>>> machine with DECnet+? >>>>> >>>>>> Two questions: >>>>>> 1-May I use area 44? >>>>> Sure. >>>>> >>>>>> 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to > HECnet? >>>>> Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu? >>>>> My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html) only have > information >>>>> about the bridge. >>>>> >>>>> Johnny >>>>> >>>>>> Hans >>>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>>>>> Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] >> Namens >>>>>> Marc Chametzky >>>>>> Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04 >>>>>> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE >>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet >>>>>> >>>>>>> DECnet-Plus isn't >>>>>>> able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can >>>>>>> potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues >>>>>>> with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included >>>>>>> VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase >> IV, >>>>>>> all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST. >>>>>> It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet > Phase >>>>>> III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase >>>>>> IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO. >>>>>> >>>>>> --Marc >>>>>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >>>>>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2966 - datum van uitgifte: >>>>> 06/27/10 >>>>>> 08:35:00 >>>>>> >>>>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >>>>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2968 - datum van uitgifte: >>>> 06/28/10 >>>>> 08:37:00 >>>>> >>>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >>>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: >>> 06/28/10 >>>> 20:35:00 >>>> >>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >>> Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: >> 06/28/10 >>> 20:35:00 >>> >> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >> Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: > 07/01/10 >> 08:35:00 >> > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 > 08:35:00 > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2981 - datum van uitgifte: 07/04/10 08:35:00

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by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

Hans, The DECnet-over-IP port is 399. Regards, Kari On 4.7.2010 21:46, H Vlems wrote: OK, i didn t install that package as an add-on. It s probably not a component of Fedora 9. BTW I have DECnet OSI running on a VAX. It is now a question of figuring out what IP ports it uses and put them in the NAT service list on my ADSL router. My outside IP address is pointed to by the name osmium.homeip.net (nslookup translates this to an IP address). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Van:* owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] *Namens *Joe Ferraro *Verzonden:* zondag, juli 2010 20:06 *Aan:* hecnet at update.uu.se *Onderwerp:* Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hans, Make sure you have libpcap-devel installed. I'm not looking at the bridge code at the moment, but you'll obviously want to make sure that you are pointing to your libpcap libraries when you do the compile. $ rpm -qa |grep -i libpcap # determine if packet cap libs are installed Cheers, Joe On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 12:51 PM, H Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl <mailto:hvlems at zonnet.nl>> wrote: Johnny, as soon as I've figured out how this works I'll write a manual for you :-) But you've got to guide me through the entire painful process first. I had to shut down my Fedora 9 workstation because of the heat. The error messages I got while attempting to compile the source were all related to 'pcap'. Any suggestions? Hans PS Later in the evening when the system is up again I'll post more information. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 9:50 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet You don't need "your own" port number. You need a port number. You are free to pick any that isn't used by something else on your system. That said, 4744 works just as fine as anything else, including 4711. As Sampsa pointed out, you can use 4711 as well, if you want to. It only needs to be unique on your system. What ports I (or anyone else) is using, does not affect you more than that you have to have that information in your conf-file. Your own port number is specified on the command line, as mentioned as well. Oh, and the reason you haven't seen a manual about the bridge program is because I've never written one. :-) Feel free to contribute... ;-) Johnny H Vlems wrote: OK, I understand that part (I think) of the bridge program. I wasn't aware that I'd need my own port number. I'll opt for 4744, if that is alright. Do I need to configure this somewhere (like in the .conf file)? Hans PS My apologies for all these questions but I haven't seen a manual about the bridge program.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: donderdag, juli 2010 15:45 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: > OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf file > that I can use? Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no. However, it should look something like this: ================ [bridge] local <your ethernet interface name> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711 <http://psilo.update.uu.se:4711> [decnet] local update ================= And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea. > My external IP address is: > > Name: osmium.homeip.net <http://osmium.homeip.net> > Address: 87.209.50.192 That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also need to know what port number you will be using. > I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that be > for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??) Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-) (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not know...) And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic between your box, at whatever port you are using, and psilo.update.uu.se:4711 <http://psilo.update.uu.se:4711>. And this is UDP traffic. Johnny > Hans > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>] Namens > Johnny Billquist > Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16 > Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE> > Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet > > Hi, Hans. > > H Vlems wrote: >> OK Johnny, talk to me :-) >> This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to >> HECnet. >> 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge software >> and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address > 1.1010. > > That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to > connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to > try. > >> 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in > area >> 44. >> I'd like to try that connection without the linux system. > You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case. > Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I > don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up. > > Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet > does it? > >> Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large unknown >> factor from the equation (the linux box). > Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to. > >> So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work? > Someone to connect to... > > Johnny > >> Hans >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>] Namens >> Johnny Billquist >> Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03 >> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE> >> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet >> >> H Vlems wrote: >>> What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity >>> between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's routing >>> will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is >>> limited by the phase III host :-) >> I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC >> never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it. >> >>> But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III >>> system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate? >> Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems. >> >>> I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf file >>> work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this >> work? >> >> Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to >> use to test. >> But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge >> running, to act as the remote end. >> >> Johnny >> >>> Hans >>> >>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>> Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>] Namens >>> Johnny Billquist >>> Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02 >>> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE> >>> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet >>> >>> Hi. >>> >>> H Vlems wrote: >>>> DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III. >>> Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase >>> III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I don't >>> think anyone around is running phase III anyway. >>> >>>> There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and >>> phase >>>> V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on >>> Alpha, >>>> and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-) >>> True, as far as that goes. >>> However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV >>> area router. >>> >>> Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could not >>> be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell an >>> Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to. >>> >>> However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-) >>> >>> And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember >>> (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as >>> well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another >>> machine with DECnet+? >>> >>>> Two questions: >>>> 1-May I use area 44? >>> Sure. >>> >>>> 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to HECnet? >>> Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu <http://hecnet.eu>? >>> My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html <http://www.update.uu.se/%7Ebqt/hecnet.html>) only have information >>> about the bridge. >>> >>> Johnny >>> >>>> Hans >>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>>> Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>] Namens >>>> Marc Chametzky >>>> Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04 >>>> Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE> >>>> Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet >>>> >>>>> DECnet-Plus isn't >>>>> able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can >>>>> potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues >>>>> with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included >>>>> VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV, >>>>> all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST. >>>> It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase >>>> III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway. >>>> >>>> Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase >>>> IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO. >>>> >>>> --Marc >>>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >>>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> >>>> Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2966 - datum van uitgifte: >>> 06/27/10 >>>> 08:35:00 >>>> >>> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >>> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> >>> Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2968 - datum van uitgifte: >> 06/28/10 >>> 08:37:00 >>> >> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> >> Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: > 06/28/10 >> 20:35:00 >> > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 > 20:35:00 > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2981 - datum van uitgifte: 07/04/10 08:35:00

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by wilson＠dbit.com

I should know better than to open my big yap but: pcap isn't the only way to do raw packet I/O on Linux; you can also use socket(PF_PACKET) and not need any special libraries. Maybe a bit of conditionalized code in bridge.c would make it easier to build on Linux w/o breaking it on other Unices? (Yes I'd be happy to contribute code -- I've been working on my own mopd replacement anyway partly because of how hard mopd is to build on Slackware Linux.) John Wilson D Bit

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by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Apparently it is already on the system. But unixes have a tremendous capacity to hide resources for the simple owner/user .... Steve Davidson knows the answer, he's done the trick on a BSD system. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: zondag, juli 2010 22:22 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet I'll happily answer any questions, and so on. pcap is a library that is needed by the bridge program, but exactly how you get that onto your machine is beyond me. Johnny H Vlems wrote: Johnny, as soon as I've figured out how this works I'll write a manual for you :-) But you've got to guide me through the entire painful process first. I had to shut down my Fedora 9 workstation because of the heat. The error messages I got while attempting to compile the source were all related to 'pcap'. Any suggestions? Hans PS Later in the evening when the system is up again I'll post more information. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 9:50 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet You don't need "your own" port number. You need a port number. You are free to pick any that isn't used by something else on your system. That said, 4744 works just as fine as anything else, including 4711. As Sampsa pointed out, you can use 4711 as well, if you want to. It only needs to be unique on your system. What ports I (or anyone else) is using, does not affect you more than that you have to have that information in your conf-file. Your own port number is specified on the command line, as mentioned as well. Oh, and the reason you haven't seen a manual about the bridge program is because I've never written one. :-) Feel free to contribute... ;-) Johnny H Vlems wrote: OK, I understand that part (I think) of the bridge program. I wasn't aware that I'd need my own port number. I'll opt for 4744, if that is alright. Do I need to configure this somewhere (like in the .conf file)? Hans PS My apologies for all these questions but I haven't seen a manual about the bridge program.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: donderdag, juli 2010 15:45 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf file that I can use? Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no. However, it should look something like this: ================ [bridge] local <your ethernet interface name> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711 [decnet] local update ================= And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea. My external IP address is: Name: osmium.homeip.net Address: 87.209.50.192 That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also need to know what port number you will be using. I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that be for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??) Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-) (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not know...) And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic between your box, at whatever port you are using, and psilo.update.uu.se:4711. And this is UDP traffic. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi, Hans. H Vlems wrote: OK Johnny, talk to me :-) This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to HECnet. 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge software and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address 1.1010. That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to try. 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in area 44. I'd like to try that connection without the linux system. You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case. Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up. Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet does it? Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large unknown factor from the equation (the linux box). Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to. So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work? Someone to connect to... Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet H Vlems wrote: What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's routing will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is limited by the phase III host :-) I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it. But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate? Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems. I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf file work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this work? Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to use to test. But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge running, to act as the remote end. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III. Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I don't think anyone around is running phase III anyway. There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and phase V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on Alpha, and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-) True, as far as that goes. However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV area router. Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could not be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell an Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to. However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-) And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another machine with DECnet+? Two questions: 1-May I use area 44? Sure. 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to HECnet? Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu? My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html) only have information about the bridge. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Marc Chametzky Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet DECnet-Plus isn't able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV, all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST. It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway. Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO. --Marc Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2966 - datum van uitgifte: 06/27/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2968 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 08:37:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2981 - datum van uitgifte: 07/04/10 08:35:00

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by bqt＠softjar.se

I'll happily answer any questions, and so on. pcap is a library that is needed by the bridge program, but exactly how you get that onto your machine is beyond me. Johnny H Vlems wrote: Johnny, as soon as I've figured out how this works I'll write a manual for you :-) But you've got to guide me through the entire painful process first. I had to shut down my Fedora 9 workstation because of the heat. The error messages I got while attempting to compile the source were all related to 'pcap'. Any suggestions? Hans PS Later in the evening when the system is up again I'll post more information. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 9:50 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet You don't need "your own" port number. You need a port number. You are free to pick any that isn't used by something else on your system. That said, 4744 works just as fine as anything else, including 4711. As Sampsa pointed out, you can use 4711 as well, if you want to. It only needs to be unique on your system. What ports I (or anyone else) is using, does not affect you more than that you have to have that information in your conf-file. Your own port number is specified on the command line, as mentioned as well. Oh, and the reason you haven't seen a manual about the bridge program is because I've never written one. :-) Feel free to contribute... ;-) Johnny H Vlems wrote: OK, I understand that part (I think) of the bridge program. I wasn't aware that I'd need my own port number. I'll opt for 4744, if that is alright. Do I need to configure this somewhere (like in the .conf file)? Hans PS My apologies for all these questions but I haven't seen a manual about the bridge program.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: donderdag, juli 2010 15:45 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf file that I can use? Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no. However, it should look something like this: ================ [bridge] local <your ethernet interface name> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711 [decnet] local update ================= And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea. My external IP address is: Name: osmium.homeip.net Address: 87.209.50.192 That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also need to know what port number you will be using. I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that be for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??) Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-) (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not know...) And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic between your box, at whatever port you are using, and psilo.update.uu.se:4711. And this is UDP traffic. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi, Hans. H Vlems wrote: OK Johnny, talk to me :-) This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to HECnet. 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge software and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address 1.1010. That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to try. 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in area 44. I'd like to try that connection without the linux system. You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case. Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up. Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet does it? Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large unknown factor from the equation (the linux box). Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to. So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work? Someone to connect to... Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet H Vlems wrote: What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's routing will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is limited by the phase III host :-) I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it. But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate? Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems. I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf file work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this work? Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to use to test. But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge running, to act as the remote end. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III. Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I don't think anyone around is running phase III anyway. There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and phase V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on Alpha, and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-) True, as far as that goes. However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV area router. Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could not be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell an Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to. However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-) And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another machine with DECnet+? Two questions: 1-May I use area 44? Sure. 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to HECnet? Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu? My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html) only have information about the bridge. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Marc Chametzky Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet DECnet-Plus isn't able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV, all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST. It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway. Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO. --Marc Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2966 - datum van uitgifte: 06/27/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2968 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 08:37:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00

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by bqt＠softjar.se

pcap, if I saw the other emails right. That needs to be installed, and is something I cannot help with in much detail, since it differs between different Linux distros, and I'm not a big Linux-person myself... :-) Johnny H Vlems wrote: First I'll have to build the codefile. I used the command from the makefile and got a *lot* of error messages. I'm not a C expert but apparently I'm missing a component, LCAP perhaps? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Sampsa Laine Verzonden: donderdag, juli 2010 22:13 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet You don't need your own port, I run mine on 4711 and it works fine - the key thing is that the other end knows where you are, i.e. address and port.. The port is passed as the command line parameter to the bridge program, e.g.: ./bridge 4711 runs it on the standard port. Sampsa On 1 Jul 2010, at 21:10, H Vlems wrote: OK, I understand that part (I think) of the bridge program. I wasn't aware that I'd need my own port number. I'll opt for 4744, if that is alright. Do I need to configure this somewhere (like in the .conf file)? Hans PS My apologies for all these questions but I haven't seen a manual about the bridge program.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: donderdag, juli 2010 15:45 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf file that I can use? Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no. However, it should look something like this: ================ [bridge] local <your ethernet interface name> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711 [decnet] local update ================= And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea. My external IP address is: Name: osmium.homeip.net Address: 87.209.50.192 That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also need to know what port number you will be using. I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that be for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??) Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-) (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not know...) And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic between your box, at whatever port you are using, and psilo.update.uu.se:4711. And this is UDP traffic. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi, Hans. H Vlems wrote: OK Johnny, talk to me :-) This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to HECnet. 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge software and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address 1.1010. That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to try. 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in area 44. I'd like to try that connection without the linux system. You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case. Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up. Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet does it? Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large unknown factor from the equation (the linux box). Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to. So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work? Someone to connect to... Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet H Vlems wrote: What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's routing will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is limited by the phase III host :-) I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it. But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate? Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems. I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf file work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this work? Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to use to test. But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge running, to act as the remote end. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III. Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I don't think anyone around is running phase III anyway. There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and phase V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on Alpha, and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-) True, as far as that goes. However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV area router. Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could not be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell an Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to. However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-) And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another machine with DECnet+? Two questions: 1-May I use area 44? Sure. 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to HECnet? Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu? My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html) only have information about the bridge. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Marc Chametzky Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet DECnet-Plus isn't able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV, all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST. It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway. Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO. --Marc Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2966 - datum van uitgifte: 06/27/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2968 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 08:37:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00

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by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Steve, thanks! But I guess libpcap isn't even installed so I'd better check that first! -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Steve Davidson Verzonden: zondag, juli 2010 19:06 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hans, You may have to symbolically link libpcap.so to libpcap.so.<version> or something like that. That's what I had to do for NetBSD. -Steve Johnny, as soon as I've figured out how this works I'll write a manual for you :-) But you've got to guide me through the entire painful process first. I had to shut down my Fedora 9 workstation because of the heat. The error messages I got while attempting to compile the source were all related to 'pcap'. Any suggestions? Hans PS Later in the evening when the system is up again I'll post more information. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: vrijdag, juli 2010 9:50 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet You don't need "your own" port number. You need a port number. You are free to pick any that isn't used by something else on your system. That said, 4744 works just as fine as anything else, including 4711. As Sampsa pointed out, you can use 4711 as well, if you want to. It only needs to be unique on your system. What ports I (or anyone else) is using, does not affect you more than that you have to have that information in your conf-file. Your own port number is specified on the command line, as mentioned as well. Oh, and the reason you haven't seen a manual about the bridge program is because I've never written one. :-) Feel free to contribute... ;-) Johnny H Vlems wrote: OK, I understand that part (I think) of the bridge program. I wasn't aware that I'd need my own port number. I'll opt for 4744, if that is alright. Do I need to configure this somewhere (like in the .conf file)? Hans PS My apologies for all these questions but I haven't seen a manual about the bridge program.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: donderdag, juli 2010 15:45 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: OK, let's try the bridge option first. Could you give me a sample .conf file that I can use? Hmm. Not one that you can use straight away, no. However, it should look something like this: ================ [bridge] local <your ethernet interface name> update psilo.update.uu.se:4711 [decnet] local update ================= And that's it. What your local ethernet name is, I have no idea. My external IP address is: Name: osmium.homeip.net Address: 87.209.50.192 That is something I need for my side of the bridge. In addition, I also need to know what port number you will be using. I assume that a NAT entry is needed on my ADSL router, right? Would that be for port 4711 (as in eau de cologne ??) Yes, 4711 is named after the water from Cologne. :-) (Very oldish hacker folklore that I suspect people nowadays might not know...) And yes, if you have NAT running, you will need to forward traffic between your box, at whatever port you are using, and psilo.update.uu.se:4711. And this is UDP traffic. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2010 14:16 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi, Hans. H Vlems wrote: OK Johnny, talk to me :-) This is my plan: I intend to modify two systems to try the connection to HECnet. 1) I have a linux system under Fedora 9 that will run the bridge software and an Alpha Server 1200 under VMS V8.3 and DECnet phase IV, address 1.1010. That should work without any strange problems. You'll probably want to connect the bridge to me in that case. Let me know when you are ready to try. 2) a VAXstation 4000 model 90A, running VMS V7.3 and DECnet phase V, in area 44. I'd like to try that connection without the linux system. You need to find someone who can act as the other end in this case. Which I suspect meaning someone running phase V and as an area router. I don't know who might be doing this. Maybe someone who do can speak up. Anyone know if this would be compatible with DECnet over IP as Multinet does it? Option 2 is my preferred situation since it removes a by and large unknown factor from the equation (the linux box). Sure. We just need to identify someone you can connect to. So, what do I need to know and to do to make this work? Someone to connect to... Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 21:03 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet H Vlems wrote: What I meant with the phase III-IV-V answer is that direct connectivity between a phase V and phase III system won't work. But poor man's routing will work with a phase IV node in between. Functionality of course is limited by the phase III host :-) I wonder if phase III to phase V neccesarily will not work. However, DEC never guaranteed that it will work, nor did they ever try it. But you're absolutely right that very few people will have a phase III system, RT-11 being the most likely candidate? Probably. Or if someone is running some old versions of other systems. I've seen the bridge program, but am not sure how to make the .conf file work. Is it possible to use DECnet address 1.1010 to try and make this work? Yes. 1.1010 is not used by anyone, so that node number would be ok to use to test. But you also need to talk with me (or someone else) with the bridge running, to act as the remote end. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 11:02 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet Hi. H Vlems wrote: DECnet phase IV nodes are backwards compatible with phase III. Yes. But the question here was if phase V will interoperate with phase III. I don't know the answer to that one, but on the other hand, I don't think anyone around is running phase III anyway. There are no restrictions in functionality between phase IV nodes and phase V as seen by the unpriviledged user. Area routing may be an issue on Alpha, and of course ncl is more of a pain to remember than ncp ;-) True, as far as that goes. However, I am not sure that a phase V node can operate as a phase IV area router. Someone else pointed out that although DEC claimed that alphas could not be area routers, that information is incorrect, and you can just tell an Alpha VMS phase IV node to be an area router, if you want to. However, DECnet+ is phase V, and all bets are off. :-) And yes, not only are the NCL commands more difficult to remember (atleast for me), the node name management is way more difficult as well. Do anyone know how you copy a nodename database from another machine with DECnet+? Two questions: 1-May I use area 44? Sure. 2-Is there a short guide to set up DECnet over IP to connect to HECnet? Not that I know of. Maybe Mark Wickens have something on hecnet.eu? My page (http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html) only have information about the bridge. Johnny Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Marc Chametzky Verzonden: maandag, juni 2010 0:04 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Attaching to hecnet DECnet-Plus isn't able to connect, or at least reliably connect to all OS's that can potentially be on HECnet. I forget what all OS's I was having issues with, I know one was RSTS/E v10.1, but I want to say it also included VAX/VMS. Once I *upgraded* my Alpha running OpenVMS to DECnet Phase IV, all these issues went away. These were things as simple as SET HOST. It's probably that DECnet-Plus (Phase V) cannot speak with DECnet Phase III (such as on RSTS/E and TOPS-10/20). That's my guess anyway. Phase V should be able to communicate with VAX/VMS since that's Phase IV, which is the gold standard of DECnet, IMHO. --Marc Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2966 - datum van uitgifte: 06/27/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2968 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 08:37:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2969 - datum van uitgifte: 06/28/10 20:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2975 - datum van uitgifte: 07/01/10 08:35:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2981 - datum van uitgifte: 07/04/10 08:35:00

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