- HECnet - lists @ Update

by davidson＠declab.net

Johnny Billquist On 2010-10-17 04:01, Johnny Billquist wrote: So here is a new suggestion for the bridge which is "hubbed" around Update. 0 Publicly available systems 1 Update 2 BQT Let me know, and I'll happily assign LAT groups for others as well. Small correction to that list: 0 Public systems 1 Update 2 Update 3 BQT 4 BQT Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Johnny, The way I do it around here is use group 0 for public access. It is the default group anyway. I use group 19, which is also my DECnet area for my private use. This allows us to have 63 private areas if we map to DECnet area numbers. Areas from 64 to 255 can be special case. I use 64 whe I want to combine my group with someone else. I would suggest that group 0 be public group 1 through 63 be private based on DECnet area # (self managed) groups 64-255 be managed (and reserved) (each area could have 4 such #s) Because I am already using group 64 I am reserving it. I make it available to others when it makes sense for me to "share" as it were. Reserved groups should be by invitation only because as you point out the list does get cluttered. The use of passwords is a great idea for the DECservers we have in HECnet. Some of mine have it, some do not - personal choice. -Steve

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Suggestions for LAT.

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2010-10-17 04:01, Johnny Billquist wrote: So here is a new suggestion for the bridge which is "hubbed" around Update. 0 Publicly available systems 1 Update 2 BQT Let me know, and I'll happily assign LAT groups for others as well. Small correction to that list: 0 Public systems 1 Update 2 Update 3 BQT 4 BQT Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Suggestions for LAT.

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2010-10-17 03:43, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2010-10-17 03:34, Johnny Billquist wrote: Hi. As a few people are sharing LAT connections now as well, I thought I'd make a suggestion on how to make this a bit more manageable. If people have questions on LAT, how to set up DECservers, or something else, you can as usual just mail me. First of all, please note that LAT is not a safe protocol. Everything goes in clear text, and malicious people can easily snoop your sessions. My thoughts right now are in the area of services offered. When I list services I notice that some machine consoles are available, as well as some general machine logins. The console services are nice to have (I also have a few of those), however, they are not useful for the general public, and the hope is that people who don't have anything to do with them don't connect to them. But they do clutter up the list of available services anyhow. What I'd like to propose is that for services that aren't of general use should switch to another group. The default group is group #0, and that group is nice to continue to use for generally available systems that people might want to log in to. I've been using group 1 for consoles for now, and I'd suggest that others do that too. Or perhaps pick some other group if you want to keep your machines separate. Notice that this does not really add anything from a security point of view, since people can change their own port to see services in any group if they really want to. But if people set up their port to by default only be in group 0, and we place consoles in group 1, they will not show up in the general case, and you'd have to explicitly turn on group 1 when you want to play with consoles (or if you want it on by default, feel free, but it will look nicer to some atleast). The same goes if you have printers, for instance, as services. Place them also in another group. Preferably in yet another group, but atleast not in group 0. And modems as well, if you have those. So a suggested division of groups would be as follows: 0 General systems where people might log in. 1 Consoles 2 Modems 3 Printers If you have all of that on the same DECserver you cannot be picky, however, since you can only specify one group for all services offered. Use the lowest group number for which you have a matching service in that case. Note that the group numbers only affect which services are visible to users connected to a DECserver. It does not affect reverse LAT connections, which will find the right service no matter which group it is in. So this is mostly just to make the list of services more convenient when you look as an interactive user on a DECserver. Finally a short suggestion for those of you who have consoles as services. If you haven't found it, or set it up, I'd also suggest you place a password on those services, which can limit the possibility of others to wreak havoc on your machines... Just a suggestion. It will still not prevent others from potentially DoS your console port. I just had another idea as well. Would people think it would be an interesting idea to have group numbers for machines differentiate depending on OS? So that people could see what VMS systems there are to connect to without seeing other systems? Or maybe it would be more meaningful if we use group 0 for systems where guest access is available, and then people use their own groups for "local" systems? Oh yeah, I should probably point out that all of this is only relevant to the people running my bridge program on the same segment I am. Others can obviously do as they want, since that is not visible to me anyway. Thinking a bit more about it, it actually makes more sense to use one group (0) for all publicly available systems, and a separate group (or two) where you can place all private machines, console ports, printers, modems and so on. That way you can see all services relevant to you, without being bothered about services that you don't care about, or can use anyway... So here is a new suggestion for the bridge which is "hubbed" around Update. 0 Publicly available systems 1 Update 2 BQT Let me know, and I'll happily assign LAT groups for others as well. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Suggestions for LAT.

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2010-10-17 03:34, Johnny Billquist wrote: Hi. As a few people are sharing LAT connections now as well, I thought I'd make a suggestion on how to make this a bit more manageable. If people have questions on LAT, how to set up DECservers, or something else, you can as usual just mail me. First of all, please note that LAT is not a safe protocol. Everything goes in clear text, and malicious people can easily snoop your sessions. My thoughts right now are in the area of services offered. When I list services I notice that some machine consoles are available, as well as some general machine logins. The console services are nice to have (I also have a few of those), however, they are not useful for the general public, and the hope is that people who don't have anything to do with them don't connect to them. But they do clutter up the list of available services anyhow. What I'd like to propose is that for services that aren't of general use should switch to another group. The default group is group #0, and that group is nice to continue to use for generally available systems that people might want to log in to. I've been using group 1 for consoles for now, and I'd suggest that others do that too. Or perhaps pick some other group if you want to keep your machines separate. Notice that this does not really add anything from a security point of view, since people can change their own port to see services in any group if they really want to. But if people set up their port to by default only be in group 0, and we place consoles in group 1, they will not show up in the general case, and you'd have to explicitly turn on group 1 when you want to play with consoles (or if you want it on by default, feel free, but it will look nicer to some atleast). The same goes if you have printers, for instance, as services. Place them also in another group. Preferably in yet another group, but atleast not in group 0. And modems as well, if you have those. So a suggested division of groups would be as follows: 0 General systems where people might log in. 1 Consoles 2 Modems 3 Printers If you have all of that on the same DECserver you cannot be picky, however, since you can only specify one group for all services offered. Use the lowest group number for which you have a matching service in that case. Note that the group numbers only affect which services are visible to users connected to a DECserver. It does not affect reverse LAT connections, which will find the right service no matter which group it is in. So this is mostly just to make the list of services more convenient when you look as an interactive user on a DECserver. Finally a short suggestion for those of you who have consoles as services. If you haven't found it, or set it up, I'd also suggest you place a password on those services, which can limit the possibility of others to wreak havoc on your machines... Just a suggestion. It will still not prevent others from potentially DoS your console port. I just had another idea as well. Would people think it would be an interesting idea to have group numbers for machines differentiate depending on OS? So that people could see what VMS systems there are to connect to without seeing other systems? Or maybe it would be more meaningful if we use group 0 for systems where guest access is available, and then people use their own groups for "local" systems? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Suggestions for LAT.

by bqt＠softjar.se

Hi. As a few people are sharing LAT connections now as well, I thought I'd make a suggestion on how to make this a bit more manageable. If people have questions on LAT, how to set up DECservers, or something else, you can as usual just mail me. First of all, please note that LAT is not a safe protocol. Everything goes in clear text, and malicious people can easily snoop your sessions. My thoughts right now are in the area of services offered. When I list services I notice that some machine consoles are available, as well as some general machine logins. The console services are nice to have (I also have a few of those), however, they are not useful for the general public, and the hope is that people who don't have anything to do with them don't connect to them. But they do clutter up the list of available services anyhow. What I'd like to propose is that for services that aren't of general use should switch to another group. The default group is group #0, and that group is nice to continue to use for generally available systems that people might want to log in to. I've been using group 1 for consoles for now, and I'd suggest that others do that too. Or perhaps pick some other group if you want to keep your machines separate. Notice that this does not really add anything from a security point of view, since people can change their own port to see services in any group if they really want to. But if people set up their port to by default only be in group 0, and we place consoles in group 1, they will not show up in the general case, and you'd have to explicitly turn on group 1 when you want to play with consoles (or if you want it on by default, feel free, but it will look nicer to some atleast). The same goes if you have printers, for instance, as services. Place them also in another group. Preferably in yet another group, but atleast not in group 0. And modems as well, if you have those. So a suggested division of groups would be as follows: 0 General systems where people might log in. 1 Consoles 2 Modems 3 Printers If you have all of that on the same DECserver you cannot be picky, however, since you can only specify one group for all services offered. Use the lowest group number for which you have a matching service in that case. Note that the group numbers only affect which services are visible to users connected to a DECserver. It does not affect reverse LAT connections, which will find the right service no matter which group it is in. So this is mostly just to make the list of services more convenient when you look as an interactive user on a DECserver. Finally a short suggestion for those of you who have consoles as services. If you haven't found it, or set it up, I'd also suggest you place a password on those services, which can limit the possibility of others to wreak havoc on your machines... Just a suggestion. It will still not prevent others from potentially DoS your console port. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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hecnet.eu website down

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2010-10-05 23:59, Mark Wickens wrote: Hi Guys, Just to let you know that we had a circuit breaker trip here today and when I restarted the VAXstation 4000/90 the Seagate ST39173N system disk no longer spins up. The controller recognises the drive, and an LED on the drive circuit board flashes once on power up and when it is queried by the SCSI controller, but at no point does the drive spin up. Ouch! Always unpleasant... Try to perhaps shake it a bit if it is stuck. Does anyone have any tips? I thought I had a duplicate drive I could try swapping the controller board with, but I've yet to locate it. It might be stuck heads, but given the circumstances it is more likely to be something that has gone bang. Stuck heads, or sometimes stuck spindle. Shaking might help. But you might be right in that it's something more serious... This box hasn't been backed up in a while. I may have a working version of the website on a backup, but there will be a few features missing if the restore works. Even worse. In the meantime the website will be down. Oh and also, if you haven't done that backup in a while, NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT!!! You mean something like this? .set /host Host=PONDUS RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 BL87 .que /li ** PRINT QUEUES ** PRINT (STOPPED) => TT30 FTSQUE => FTSDEQ TT26 (STOPPED) => TT26 TT30 (STOPPED) => TT30 ** BATCH QUEUES ** BATCH => BAP0 BAP1 [7,14] DST ENTRY:878 BLOCKED UNTIL 31-OCT-10 03:00 1 DU0:[DST]SETWINTER.BAT;1 BACKUP => BAP0 BAP1 [1,54] BACKUP ENTRY:913 BLOCKED UNTIL 13-OCT-10 09:00 1 DU0:[BACKUP]BACKUP.BAT;1 .sha dis UMB Devices I/O Errors Status 055330 DU0:,*DU1: 0. 0. Load_Share, Catchup complete . (Backup job is run every week, and disk is mirrored...) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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hecnet.eu website down

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Mark, my best guess is that the spindle is stuck. Put the drive upside down, reconnect and power on. The cables in a 4000-90 allow for this. If that fails, put it on its side, tap the spindle with a hammer and power up. It may just spin up one last time. Hans ------Origineel bericht------ Van:Mark Wickens Afzender:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan:hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden:hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: [HECnet] hecnet.eu website down Verzonden: 5 okt. 2010 23:59 Hi Guys, Just to let you know that we had a circuit breaker trip here today and when I restarted the VAXstation 4000/90 the Seagate ST39173N system disk no longer spins up. The controller recognises the drive, and an LED on the drive circuit board flashes once on power up and when it is queried by the SCSI controller, but at no point does the drive spin up. Does anyone have any tips? I thought I had a duplicate drive I could try swapping the controller board with, but I've yet to locate it. It might be stuck heads, but given the circumstances it is more likely to be something that has gone bang. This box hasn't been backed up in a while. I may have a working version of the website on a backup, but there will be a few features missing if the restore works. In the meantime the website will be down. Oh and also, if you haven't done that backup in a while, NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT!!! Regards, Mark. Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel

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hecnet.eu website down

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

Hi Guys, Just to let you know that we had a circuit breaker trip here today and when I restarted the VAXstation 4000/90 the Seagate ST39173N system disk no longer spins up. The controller recognises the drive, and an LED on the drive circuit board flashes once on power up and when it is queried by the SCSI controller, but at no point does the drive spin up. Does anyone have any tips? I thought I had a duplicate drive I could try swapping the controller board with, but I've yet to locate it. It might be stuck heads, but given the circumstances it is more likely to be something that has gone bang. This box hasn't been backed up in a while. I may have a working version of the website on a backup, but there will be a few features missing if the restore works. In the meantime the website will be down. Oh and also, if you haven't done that backup in a while, NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT!!! Regards, Mark.

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Link to MIM not currently working

by bqt＠softjar.se

Mark. A good way to "debug" the bridge is to send it SIGUSR1, upon which it will dump to stdout a bunch of information. Apart from that, you cannot see if the bridge is talking to your machine or not, since the bridge is meant to be totally transparent from the DECnet point of view. One other thing: what is your ip address (or dns) and port number, so I can check if my config file still have the right values...? Johnny Mark Wickens wrote: I think I may have been experiencing multiple points of failure. Steve has kindly brought up the MULTINET tunnel to his systems, but it looks like the link to MIM is still down: NCP>show known circuits Known Circuit Volatile Summary as of 22-SEP-2010 08:01:44 Circuit State Loopback Adjacent Name Routing Node ISA-0 on TCP-0-19 on 19.41 (SG1) What should I be seeing on the bridge to indicate that BUBBLE is talking to it correctly? I'm presuming when the link is up I should see a routing node against ISA-0 on the above circuit list? Regards, Mark.

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Link to MIM not currently working

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

I think I may have been experiencing multiple points of failure. Steve has kindly brought up the MULTINET tunnel to his systems, but it looks like the link to MIM is still down: NCP>show known circuits Known Circuit Volatile Summary as of 22-SEP-2010 08:01:44 Circuit State Loopback Adjacent Name Routing Node ISA-0 on TCP-0-19 on 19.41 (SG1) What should I be seeing on the bridge to indicate that BUBBLE is talking to it correctly? I'm presuming when the link is up I should see a routing node against ISA-0 on the above circuit list? Regards, Mark.

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Link to MIM not currently working

by sampsa＠mac.com

Fixed. On 21 Sep 2010, at 17:42, Johnny Billquist wrote: Guilty as charged. I was experimenting with my end of the bridge a couple of months ago, and commented out some lines that wasn't active at the time. You were among them, and I haven't turned them on again afterward. Sorry. Fixed in a few seconds... Johnny On 2010-09-21 23:37, Mark Wickens wrote: Hi Guys, My link to MIM via the bridge program isn't currently working, and I can't work out why. Any ideas? I turned debugging on the bridge and got the following output: Adding router ''local''. bfffcd18:79 Adding router ''update''. 1913ee82:4711 Adding DECnet bridge local. Trying to match local Matching against: local Found match: local == local Adding DECnet bridge update. Trying to match update Matching against: local Matching against: update Found match: update == update Adding LAT bridge local. Trying to match local Matching against: local Found match: local == local Adding LAT bridge update. Trying to match update Matching against: local Matching against: update Found match: update == update Host table: 0: local 0.0.0.0:0 (Rx: 0 Tx: 0 (Drop rx: 0)) Active: 1 Throttle: 0(000) 1: update 130.238.19.25:4711 (Rx: 0 Tx: 0 (Drop rx: 0)) Active: 1 Throttle: 0(000) Hash of known destinations: Adding new hash entry. Port is 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Adding new hash entry. Port is 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Link to MIM not currently working

by sampsa＠mac.com

I'm still down too.... Sampsa On 21 Sep 2010, at 17:42, Johnny Billquist wrote: Guilty as charged. I was experimenting with my end of the bridge a couple of months ago, and commented out some lines that wasn't active at the time. You were among them, and I haven't turned them on again afterward. Sorry. Fixed in a few seconds... Johnny On 2010-09-21 23:37, Mark Wickens wrote: Hi Guys, My link to MIM via the bridge program isn't currently working, and I can't work out why. Any ideas? I turned debugging on the bridge and got the following output: Adding router ''local''. bfffcd18:79 Adding router ''update''. 1913ee82:4711 Adding DECnet bridge local. Trying to match local Matching against: local Found match: local == local Adding DECnet bridge update. Trying to match update Matching against: local Matching against: update Found match: update == update Adding LAT bridge local. Trying to match local Matching against: local Found match: local == local Adding LAT bridge update. Trying to match update Matching against: local Matching against: update Found match: update == update Host table: 0: local 0.0.0.0:0 (Rx: 0 Tx: 0 (Drop rx: 0)) Active: 1 Throttle: 0(000) 1: update 130.238.19.25:4711 (Rx: 0 Tx: 0 (Drop rx: 0)) Active: 1 Throttle: 0(000) Hash of known destinations: Adding new hash entry. Port is 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Adding new hash entry. Port is 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Link to MIM not currently working

by bqt＠softjar.se

Guilty as charged. I was experimenting with my end of the bridge a couple of months ago, and commented out some lines that wasn't active at the time. You were among them, and I haven't turned them on again afterward. Sorry. Fixed in a few seconds... Johnny On 2010-09-21 23:37, Mark Wickens wrote: Hi Guys, My link to MIM via the bridge program isn't currently working, and I can't work out why. Any ideas? I turned debugging on the bridge and got the following output: Adding router ''local''. bfffcd18:79 Adding router ''update''. 1913ee82:4711 Adding DECnet bridge local. Trying to match local Matching against: local Found match: local == local Adding DECnet bridge update. Trying to match update Matching against: local Matching against: update Found match: update == update Adding LAT bridge local. Trying to match local Matching against: local Found match: local == local Adding LAT bridge update. Trying to match update Matching against: local Matching against: update Found match: update == update Host table: 0: local 0.0.0.0:0 (Rx: 0 Tx: 0 (Drop rx: 0)) Active: 1 Throttle: 0(000) 1: update 130.238.19.25:4711 (Rx: 0 Tx: 0 (Drop rx: 0)) Active: 1 Throttle: 0(000) Hash of known destinations: Adding new hash entry. Port is 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Adding new hash entry. Port is 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Link to MIM not currently working

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

Hi Guys, My link to MIM via the bridge program isn't currently working, and I can't work out why. Any ideas? I turned debugging on the bridge and got the following output: Adding router ''local''. bfffcd18:79 Adding router ''update''. 1913ee82:4711 Adding DECnet bridge local. Trying to match local Matching against: local Found match: local == local Adding DECnet bridge update. Trying to match update Matching against: local Matching against: update Found match: update == update Adding LAT bridge local. Trying to match local Matching against: local Found match: local == local Adding LAT bridge update. Trying to match update Matching against: local Matching against: update Found match: update == update Host table: 0: local 0.0.0.0:0 (Rx: 0 Tx: 0 (Drop rx: 0)) Active: 1 Throttle: 0(000) 1: update 130.238.19.25:4711 (Rx: 0 Tx: 0 (Drop rx: 0)) Active: 1 Throttle: 0(000) Hash of known destinations: Adding new hash entry. Port is 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Adding new hash entry. Port is 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0 Setting existing hash to bridge 0

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Out of action more or less until the 25th...

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Jason Stevens <neozeed at gmail.com> wrote: One thing I noticed on my 'glorious' time warner connection (that's all they have here) is that with all my equipment set to auto detect I was getting less then 1MB on my 'high speed' connection. But forcing my router to 100MB half duplex gets me 45MB in bursts..... Sometimes it's worth exploring options on those wan links, but you'd need to break into the hotel system to do so.... Not that I'd ever do something like that.... What is more annoying is that all the TCP/UDP port filtering is done at the ISP level.. I have to buy a tunnel out from Sweden to get full IP access... now how's that for a joke? On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Gregg, That might be true but I'm miles out of DC in VA. If internet access (and their rooms are cool too) is important to you* and for some god-forsaken reason you need to be stuck in this suburban hellhole for business, stay at Sierra: Hotel Sierra in Sterling, Virginia 45520 Dulles Plaza Sterling, VA 20166 1703/435-9002 or 1-800-474-3772, http://www.hotel-sierra.com/ Sampsa * I was seriously getting 14-20 mbps down. It's a cool hotel anyway, only problem is the bar only had beer and wine. License issue. Oh and it's in the middle of suburban industrial park hell - everything is fake and 20 miles apart from each other, and I have no car. On 19 Sep 2010, at 15:40, Gregg Levine wrote: Incidentally all hotels in the DC area are stuck with that because the Feds insist on abusing the networks where they are centrally located. It gets better closer to NYC, by the time you're staying in a NJ hotel you're getting closer to your home's settings. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." Hello! Jason, do what I do. Complain. The bird behind TWCNY may be something of a fritter head but he does listen to complaints. I've been offered that service as part of their triple play game, I turned it down because I don't trust their technicians to understand things concerning different operating systems play properly. AT&T now Covad entirely does understand things up to a point. (Where that is, is something for later.) ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Also, drove around (in a cab) DC a bit last night, it really has the feeling of a New Rome architecturally. Very imposing, grandiose and believable. Met a lovely guy, physicist working on some missile guidance systems etc, obviously never been anywhere awful like Algeria etc and he believed, sincerely, that America can bring peace, democracy and Disney movies to the whole world, i.e. that the Pax Americana is achievable, sort of a modern Pax Romana. I wanted to point out that the Romans solved their Middle Eastern problems by nailing 5000 people to the walls of Jerusalem but didn't have the heart or how Carthage ended up :) Sampsa

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by neozeed＠gmail.com

One thing I noticed on my 'glorious' time warner connection (that's all they have here) is that with all my equipment set to auto detect I was getting less then 1MB on my 'high speed' connection. But forcing my router to 100MB half duplex gets me 45MB in bursts..... Sometimes it's worth exploring options on those wan links, but you'd need to break into the hotel system to do so.... Not that I'd ever do something like that.... What is more annoying is that all the TCP/UDP port filtering is done at the ISP level.. I have to buy a tunnel out from Sweden to get full IP access... now how's that for a joke? On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Gregg, That might be true but I'm miles out of DC in VA. If internet access (and their rooms are cool too) is important to you* and for some god-forsaken reason you need to be stuck in this suburban hellhole for business, stay at Sierra: Hotel Sierra in Sterling, Virginia 45520 Dulles Plaza Sterling, VA 20166 1703/435-9002 or 1-800-474-3772, http://www.hotel-sierra.com/ Sampsa * I was seriously getting 14-20 mbps down. It's a cool hotel anyway, only problem is the bar only had beer and wine. License issue. Oh and it's in the middle of suburban industrial park hell - everything is fake and 20 miles apart from each other, and I have no car. On 19 Sep 2010, at 15:40, Gregg Levine wrote: > > Incidentally all hotels in the DC area are stuck with that because the > Feds insist on abusing the networks where they are centrally located. > It gets better closer to NYC, by the time you're staying in a NJ hotel > you're getting closer to your home's settings. > ----- > Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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by sampsa＠mac.com

Gregg, That might be true but I'm miles out of DC in VA. If internet access (and their rooms are cool too) is important to you* and for some god-forsaken reason you need to be stuck in this suburban hellhole for business, stay at Sierra: Hotel Sierra in Sterling, Virginia 45520 Dulles Plaza Sterling, VA 20166 1703/435-9002 or 1-800-474-3772, http://www.hotel-sierra.com/ Sampsa * I was seriously getting 14-20 mbps down. It's a cool hotel anyway, only problem is the bar only had beer and wine. License issue. Oh and it's in the middle of suburban industrial park hell - everything is fake and 20 miles apart from each other, and I have no car. On 19 Sep 2010, at 15:40, Gregg Levine wrote: Incidentally all hotels in the DC area are stuck with that because the Feds insist on abusing the networks where they are centrally located. It gets better closer to NYC, by the time you're staying in a NJ hotel you're getting closer to your home's settings. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: The last hotel had like 14-20 mbps, I think they must've had fibre or something. Who the fuck buys a T1 anyway? Get some DSL lines, a load balancing router and bob = uncle. This is not rocket surgery. Anyway, I think what largely happened in the US-sucks-at-internet case is the first-to-move-inertia: "OK, we got something new a cool, look it works". This was ok in 1996. Not so good now. And don't give me the crap about geographical / demographics (like the telcos do), I can get an ADSL2+ line (which depending on length of copper can drop to like 2 megs, but should be at least 4) in Lapland, 100 megs in the major towns. And 7 meg 3G almost everywhere, including weird middle of forest places in Finland. Universal internet access has been declared a human right by the European Parliament, so the telcos are getting a bit stressed....:) The US govt method of dealing with telcos is wrong: you dont GIVE them money to build shit, you threaten to pull their license if they dont do universal service / build shit by date X. Of course, then the telco lobbyist would give the money to someone else.* Sampsa * Don't get me started on how I think the lobbyist system is killing democracy and the little guy. At least when I visit the Middle East, they're honest about bribes - but there's no democracy and n one gives a shit about the little guy. On 19 Sep 2010, at 15:04, Jason Stevens wrote: Welcome to America... And yes, our internet speeds are a joke. I think we are number 17 world wide and falling? The telcos can give you a massive laundry list of excuses why they suck, but they've all taken massive amounts of government money to fix it, and of course like any good oligarchy they are not fixing anything, except prices. I'm still blown away from a trip to Japan some FIVE years ago when I had to download Visual Studio at the MSDN site, and it completed before I even had time to get out of my chair for a coffee break.... Like a lot of things here, since the majority of people don't get any international exposure, we don't know how badly we are being screwed when it comes to just about everything... Just look at all the HFCS in our "food", or hell go to McDonnalds and pick up some chicken nuggets, and compare/contrast what the same company sells here and in the UK. I could go on and on, but nothing will change... On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I've been moved to a hotel with "high speed" internet access that is slower than the pile of crap I used in Beirut. Thus SSHng into my boxes is painful, but can be done if absolutely necessary. If you want to read more about these service provider clowns, go to: http://sampsa.com/2010/09/19/guesttek-suck-avoid-hotels-that-use-them/ Hello! No need to go on. Sampsa I stayed in a series of these crappy places during a month of adventures posing as a vacation, about two years ago. Actually Jason we are now 16. The 17 pose went to the Russians. It seems their telecom infrastructure is so bad, it doesn't creak but it will behave strangely. Incidentally all hotels in the DC area are stuck with that because the Feds insist on abusing the networks where they are centrally located. It gets better closer to NYC, by the time you're staying in a NJ hotel you're getting closer to your home's settings. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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Out of action more or less until the 25th...

by sampsa＠mac.com

The last hotel had like 14-20 mbps, I think they must've had fibre or something. Who the fuck buys a T1 anyway? Get some DSL lines, a load balancing router and bob = uncle. This is not rocket surgery. Anyway, I think what largely happened in the US-sucks-at-internet case is the first-to-move-inertia: "OK, we got something new a cool, look it works". This was ok in 1996. Not so good now. And don't give me the crap about geographical / demographics (like the telcos do), I can get an ADSL2+ line (which depending on length of copper can drop to like 2 megs, but should be at least 4) in Lapland, 100 megs in the major towns. And 7 meg 3G almost everywhere, including weird middle of forest places in Finland. Universal internet access has been declared a human right by the European Parliament, so the telcos are getting a bit stressed....:) The US govt method of dealing with telcos is wrong: you dont GIVE them money to build shit, you threaten to pull their license if they dont do universal service / build shit by date X. Of course, then the telco lobbyist would give the money to someone else.* Sampsa * Don't get me started on how I think the lobbyist system is killing democracy and the little guy. At least when I visit the Middle East, they're honest about bribes - but there's no democracy and n one gives a shit about the little guy. On 19 Sep 2010, at 15:04, Jason Stevens wrote: Welcome to America... And yes, our internet speeds are a joke. I think we are number 17 world wide and falling? The telcos can give you a massive laundry list of excuses why they suck, but they've all taken massive amounts of government money to fix it, and of course like any good oligarchy they are not fixing anything, except prices. I'm still blown away from a trip to Japan some FIVE years ago when I had to download Visual Studio at the MSDN site, and it completed before I even had time to get out of my chair for a coffee break.... Like a lot of things here, since the majority of people don't get any international exposure, we don't know how badly we are being screwed when it comes to just about everything... Just look at all the HFCS in our "food", or hell go to McDonnalds and pick up some chicken nuggets, and compare/contrast what the same company sells here and in the UK. I could go on and on, but nothing will change... On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I've been moved to a hotel with "high speed" internet access that is slower than the pile of crap I used in Beirut. Thus SSHng into my boxes is painful, but can be done if absolutely necessary. If you want to read more about these service provider clowns, go to: http://sampsa.com/2010/09/19/guesttek-suck-avoid-hotels-that-use-them/

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Out of action more or less until the 25th...

by neozeed＠gmail.com

Welcome to America... And yes, our internet speeds are a joke. I think we are number 17 world wide and falling? The telcos can give you a massive laundry list of excuses why they suck, but they've all taken massive amounts of government money to fix it, and of course like any good oligarchy they are not fixing anything, except prices. I'm still blown away from a trip to Japan some FIVE years ago when I had to download Visual Studio at the MSDN site, and it completed before I even had time to get out of my chair for a coffee break.... Like a lot of things here, since the majority of people don't get any international exposure, we don't know how badly we are being screwed when it comes to just about everything... Just look at all the HFCS in our "food", or hell go to McDonnalds and pick up some chicken nuggets, and compare/contrast what the same company sells here and in the UK. I could go on and on, but nothing will change... On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I've been moved to a hotel with "high speed" internet access that is slower than the pile of crap I used in Beirut. Thus SSHng into my boxes is painful, but can be done if absolutely necessary. If you want to read more about these service provider clowns, go to: http://sampsa.com/2010/09/19/guesttek-suck-avoid-hotels-that-use-them/

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Status update: I'll be around the DC area for two weeks.

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

I believe I will be in Philly the week of the 20th but without a car so I don't know that I'll be able to find my way to DC. Hopefully something works out though. I'd love to get the chance to meet you. -brian Sent from my iPhone On Sep 11, 2010, at 7:41, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Systems should all fine, if anyone is in the area and fancies a beer / steak, let me know. Sampsa

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Status update: I'll be around the DC area for two weeks.

by sampsa＠mac.com

Systems should all fine, if anyone is in the area and fancies a beer / steak, let me know. Sampsa

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Short surveillance - RSX

by form＠pdp-11.org.ru

On 02.09.2010 1:15, Johnny Billquist wrote: Hi. I'd like to check what, if any people (besides me) are running RSX. Either here on HECnet, or elsewhere. Feel free to reply to me personally, or on this list. And if possible, also tell what version of RSX you are running. Johnny CTAKAH is RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6. RSX systems I'm using for testing purposes: RSX-11M-PLUS V4.0, RSX-11M V3.2, RSX-11M V4.0, RSX-11M V4.8. Another versions I can run: RSX-11M V3.1, RSX-11M V4.2, RSX-11M V4.4, RSX-11M-PLUS V4.1, MicroRSX V1.0

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Short surveillance - RSX

by jferraro＠gmail.com

Getting ready to bring up a micro 11/83, though I'm undecided on the OS. More than likely it will depend on what media I can scrape together here at work. Once running, it'll be on HECnet. Joe On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: Well I do have PDP-11/23+, PDP-11/24 and MicroPDP-11/83, but sadly didn't run them for years. Maybe last time was around 2001 when booted the 11/24... Anyway, none of them has any network interface. --Saku On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: At 8:15 PM +0200 9/1/10, Johnny Billquist wrote: Hi. I'd like to check what, if any people (besides me) are running RSX. Either here on HECnet, or elsewhere. Feel free to reply to me personally, or on this list. And if possible, also tell what version of RSX you are running. Johnny Define normally, I don't really have time for my PDP-11's any more. :-( One HD has RSX-11M+ 4.6, and another RSX-11M 4.2, though I tend to prefer RT-11 or RSTS/E. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Photographer | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | My flickr Photostream | | http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |

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