What, DECNET enthusiasts are not mainstream? I simply refuse to accept that.
On 5 Jul 2011, at 16:45, Mark Benson wrote:
But then, what do I know... I just love anything that is different or esoteric - which firmly makes me *not* the man in the street.
Are any of us on this list? ;)
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
On 05/07/11 16:39, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Mark Wickens<mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/07/11 16:28, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Johnny Billquist<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 07/05/11 17:04, Mark Wickens wrote:
Met up with Colin Butcher of X-Delta last night in Manchester to obtain
a BA356 and some 36GB SBBs - he also gave me a couple of boxes of SCSI
cables and Option cards, including SCSI and fibre-channel cards,
HVD->LVD converts, BA rack personality modules, BA power supplies some
CPUs (ES40 I think). A box of DEC option catalogs, a load of DEC
Technical Journals, some old DEC related technical documentation
(including some really nice marketing material for VAXstations and
VAXes). I will try and get some of the nicer documentation scanned.
I have yet to sort through everything, may take a while, but if anyone
has any specific requests I will take those on board once I've cataloged
everything.
He wants stuff to go to a good home, and I said I would oblige if
possible for the bits I don't need or can't use.
Regards, Mark.
There wouldn't happen to be any video cables for a VAXstation 4000/90 in
there?
Johnny
Hello!
Or how about anything concerning a DEC Terminal Server Model 90L+?
Plus those MMJ cables they use.
I have a couple of 90L+ terminal servers kicking around somewhere...
Hello!
Okay. Are they wearing that difficult to find frame that the
documentation mentions? And are they doing anything important where
you are? We can discuss specifics later.
They are sat in a box in the garage, I have quite a few actually - the difficult part is taking the time to determine which work and which don't (there are definitely some non-functional ones).
I make my own power adapter for them, and use them singly. I now have two 90Ms that server all my needs when it comes to terminals and printers.
Regards, Mark.
On 5 Jul 2011, at 16:12, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
ZX6000 were primarily Windows server workstations - they didn't ever really fit a defined niche as far as I can tell.
Not exclusively though. Mine ran HP-UX in it's former life. It used to be a CAD/CAM workstation for Honda F1 (according to it's asset tag) and the EFI boot menu still had the entry in for HP-UX.
I bought mine about 4 years ago for GBP 500 which was as much as I was prepared to pay at the time. They are going now for around GBP 100 depending on the configuration.
Mine cost me 125 with no PSU or disks but 24GB of RAM. I reckon the recyclers sold the PSUs on to the place I bought mine from (better profit that way I suspect) who charged another 70-odd. In all it cost 235 GBP which I didn't think was at all bad. It's in clean nick and runs very quietly.
FWIW I couldn't find a comparable machine UK or USA for under 200 GBP - that excluded any rx2600s as they are way louder.
Mine was maxed out with memory and came with drives, so I guess that's worth something.
My only stumbling block is mine has a pair of battered old IBM SCA 18GB disks. I didn't have anything bigger I could stand being in the room with :)
Luckily they still run OpenVMS, otherwise your options are very limited - various linux flavours sort of work, but I believe gentoo is the only one still currently being maintained.
Debian Squeeze (6.0) runs on IA64 but it got a monk on with my ATi FireGL card and refused to work Xorg with it.
There is always HP-UX 11i but finding that for Itanium is a major mission, or costs more than the machine.
I know the hardware is not the greatest, but it's a shame it hasn't been better supported, given that it is a true 64 bit architecture.
Thong is I can't see much wrong with it apart from being power hungry and running hot but hey when's that ever worried people who run DEC gear :D
I like the EFI firmware although it's not on the same plateu as OpenFirmware on IBM and Sun gear, and I like that it's a pure 64-bit architecture without all the x86_64 shenanigans.
But then, what do I know... I just love anything that is different or esoteric - which firmly makes me *not* the man in the street.
Are any of us on this list? ;)
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
I've steered clear of the RX2660 (even though they are downright sexy) because of the 2.5" SAS drives - they still command a premium even 2nd hand.
I think this:
8 x 146GB 10k SAS Internal Disk Drive (1.1TB Total Storage)
will have an influence on the asking price...
Mark.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
On 05/07/11 16:28, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Johnny Billquist<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 07/05/11 17:04, Mark Wickens wrote:
Met up with Colin Butcher of X-Delta last night in Manchester to obtain
a BA356 and some 36GB SBBs - he also gave me a couple of boxes of SCSI
cables and Option cards, including SCSI and fibre-channel cards,
HVD->LVD converts, BA rack personality modules, BA power supplies some
CPUs (ES40 I think). A box of DEC option catalogs, a load of DEC
Technical Journals, some old DEC related technical documentation
(including some really nice marketing material for VAXstations and
VAXes). I will try and get some of the nicer documentation scanned.
I have yet to sort through everything, may take a while, but if anyone
has any specific requests I will take those on board once I've cataloged
everything.
He wants stuff to go to a good home, and I said I would oblige if
possible for the bits I don't need or can't use.
Regards, Mark.
There wouldn't happen to be any video cables for a VAXstation 4000/90 in
there?
Johnny
Hello!
Or how about anything concerning a DEC Terminal Server Model 90L+?
Plus those MMJ cables they use.
I have a couple of 90L+ terminal servers kicking around somewhere...
Hello!
Okay. Are they wearing that difficult to find frame that the
documentation mentions? And are they doing anything important where
you are? We can discuss specifics later.
--
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
What the hell? 11 Kilodollars for a RX2660??
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Integrity-rx2660-Itanium-Server-AD245A-AB419A-…
On 5 Jul 2011, at 16:35, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Cool machine, 24 GB of RAM too, that's pretty chunky. RHESUS has about 8 GB I think.
No PSUs - are those hard to come by?
Sampsa
On 5 Jul 2011, at 16:29, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 05/07/11 16:28, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Where can you get them for 100 quid? I'd love a second Itanium box.
Sampsa
On 5 Jul 2011, at 16:12, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 05/07/11 15:15, Mark Benson wrote:
I strongly suspect that's one reason I got my zx6000 so cheap. Itanium is about to become an ex-technology I suspect!
Incidentally, if anyone comes across front, top and side covers and the steel pedestal stand for a zx6000 I need them.
ZX6000 were primarily Windows server workstations - they didn't ever really fit a defined niche as far as I can tell.
I bought mine about 4 years ago for GBP 500 which was as much as I was prepared to pay at the time. They are going now for around GBP 100 depending on the configuration. Mine was maxed out with memory and came with drives, so I guess that's worth something.
Luckily they still run OpenVMS, otherwise your options are very limited - various linux flavours sort of work, but I believe gentoo is the only one still currently being maintained.
I know the hardware is not the greatest, but it's a shame it hasn't been better supported, given that it is a true 64 bit architecture.
But then, what do I know... I just love anything that is different or esoteric - which firmly makes me *not* the man in the street.
Mark.
I've seen them come and go on ebay recently, maybe a little over 100 actually, but around that ball park.
One on at the moment for 149.99 - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-ZX6000-Workstation-A9664A-Dual-Itanium-2-CPUs-…
Cool machine, 24 GB of RAM too, that's pretty chunky. RHESUS has about 8 GB I think.
No PSUs - are those hard to come by?
Sampsa
On 5 Jul 2011, at 16:29, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 05/07/11 16:28, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Where can you get them for 100 quid? I'd love a second Itanium box.
Sampsa
On 5 Jul 2011, at 16:12, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 05/07/11 15:15, Mark Benson wrote:
I strongly suspect that's one reason I got my zx6000 so cheap. Itanium is about to become an ex-technology I suspect!
Incidentally, if anyone comes across front, top and side covers and the steel pedestal stand for a zx6000 I need them.
ZX6000 were primarily Windows server workstations - they didn't ever really fit a defined niche as far as I can tell.
I bought mine about 4 years ago for GBP 500 which was as much as I was prepared to pay at the time. They are going now for around GBP 100 depending on the configuration. Mine was maxed out with memory and came with drives, so I guess that's worth something.
Luckily they still run OpenVMS, otherwise your options are very limited - various linux flavours sort of work, but I believe gentoo is the only one still currently being maintained.
I know the hardware is not the greatest, but it's a shame it hasn't been better supported, given that it is a true 64 bit architecture.
But then, what do I know... I just love anything that is different or esoteric - which firmly makes me *not* the man in the street.
Mark.
I've seen them come and go on ebay recently, maybe a little over 100 actually, but around that ball park.
One on at the moment for 149.99 - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-ZX6000-Workstation-A9664A-Dual-Itanium-2-CPUs-…
On 05/07/11 16:28, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Johnny Billquist<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 07/05/11 17:04, Mark Wickens wrote:
Met up with Colin Butcher of X-Delta last night in Manchester to obtain
a BA356 and some 36GB SBBs - he also gave me a couple of boxes of SCSI
cables and Option cards, including SCSI and fibre-channel cards,
HVD->LVD converts, BA rack personality modules, BA power supplies some
CPUs (ES40 I think). A box of DEC option catalogs, a load of DEC
Technical Journals, some old DEC related technical documentation
(including some really nice marketing material for VAXstations and
VAXes). I will try and get some of the nicer documentation scanned.
I have yet to sort through everything, may take a while, but if anyone
has any specific requests I will take those on board once I've cataloged
everything.
He wants stuff to go to a good home, and I said I would oblige if
possible for the bits I don't need or can't use.
Regards, Mark.
There wouldn't happen to be any video cables for a VAXstation 4000/90 in
there?
Johnny
Hello!
Or how about anything concerning a DEC Terminal Server Model 90L+?
Plus those MMJ cables they use.
I have a couple of 90L+ terminal servers kicking around somewhere...
On 05/07/11 16:28, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Where can you get them for 100 quid? I'd love a second Itanium box.
Sampsa
On 5 Jul 2011, at 16:12, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 05/07/11 15:15, Mark Benson wrote:
I strongly suspect that's one reason I got my zx6000 so cheap. Itanium is about to become an ex-technology I suspect!
Incidentally, if anyone comes across front, top and side covers and the steel pedestal stand for a zx6000 I need them.
ZX6000 were primarily Windows server workstations - they didn't ever really fit a defined niche as far as I can tell.
I bought mine about 4 years ago for GBP 500 which was as much as I was prepared to pay at the time. They are going now for around GBP 100 depending on the configuration. Mine was maxed out with memory and came with drives, so I guess that's worth something.
Luckily they still run OpenVMS, otherwise your options are very limited - various linux flavours sort of work, but I believe gentoo is the only one still currently being maintained.
I know the hardware is not the greatest, but it's a shame it hasn't been better supported, given that it is a true 64 bit architecture.
But then, what do I know... I just love anything that is different or esoteric - which firmly makes me *not* the man in the street.
Mark.
I've seen them come and go on ebay recently, maybe a little over 100 actually, but around that ball park.
One on at the moment for 149.99 - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-ZX6000-Workstation-A9664A-Dual-Itanium-2-CPUs-…
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 07/05/11 17:04, Mark Wickens wrote:
Met up with Colin Butcher of X-Delta last night in Manchester to obtain
a BA356 and some 36GB SBBs - he also gave me a couple of boxes of SCSI
cables and Option cards, including SCSI and fibre-channel cards,
HVD->LVD converts, BA rack personality modules, BA power supplies some
CPUs (ES40 I think). A box of DEC option catalogs, a load of DEC
Technical Journals, some old DEC related technical documentation
(including some really nice marketing material for VAXstations and
VAXes). I will try and get some of the nicer documentation scanned.
I have yet to sort through everything, may take a while, but if anyone
has any specific requests I will take those on board once I've cataloged
everything.
He wants stuff to go to a good home, and I said I would oblige if
possible for the bits I don't need or can't use.
Regards, Mark.
There wouldn't happen to be any video cables for a VAXstation 4000/90 in
there?
Johnny
Hello!
Or how about anything concerning a DEC Terminal Server Model 90L+?
Plus those MMJ cables they use.
--
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
Where can you get them for 100 quid? I'd love a second Itanium box.
Sampsa
On 5 Jul 2011, at 16:12, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 05/07/11 15:15, Mark Benson wrote:
I strongly suspect that's one reason I got my zx6000 so cheap. Itanium is about to become an ex-technology I suspect!
Incidentally, if anyone comes across front, top and side covers and the steel pedestal stand for a zx6000 I need them.
ZX6000 were primarily Windows server workstations - they didn't ever really fit a defined niche as far as I can tell.
I bought mine about 4 years ago for GBP 500 which was as much as I was prepared to pay at the time. They are going now for around GBP 100 depending on the configuration. Mine was maxed out with memory and came with drives, so I guess that's worth something.
Luckily they still run OpenVMS, otherwise your options are very limited - various linux flavours sort of work, but I believe gentoo is the only one still currently being maintained.
I know the hardware is not the greatest, but it's a shame it hasn't been better supported, given that it is a true 64 bit architecture.
But then, what do I know... I just love anything that is different or esoteric - which firmly makes me *not* the man in the street.
Mark.
Whilst I'm thinking about it, does anyone have any Alphaserver 1000A memory kicking around. I started getting a bit parity error a couple of days ago (which the box helpfully pinpointed to an individual SIMM) but had to pull all four SIMMs in the bank.
The part number I'm looking for is: 50-21276-01-02, it's a 8MB x 36 SIMM 60ns EDO FPM, also listed as being for an AlphaServer 200 4/233.
Alternatively, a set of four SIMMs in either of the following formats would be great:
54-21225-BA 1 x 4MB SIMM
54-21246-BA 1 x 8MB SIMM
54-23170-BA 1 x 16MB SIMM
54-21277-BA 1 x 32MB SIMM
54-24123-AA 1 x 64 MB SIMM
Regards, Mark.
On 07/05/11 17:04, Mark Wickens wrote:
Met up with Colin Butcher of X-Delta last night in Manchester to obtain
a BA356 and some 36GB SBBs - he also gave me a couple of boxes of SCSI
cables and Option cards, including SCSI and fibre-channel cards,
HVD->LVD converts, BA rack personality modules, BA power supplies some
CPUs (ES40 I think). A box of DEC option catalogs, a load of DEC
Technical Journals, some old DEC related technical documentation
(including some really nice marketing material for VAXstations and
VAXes). I will try and get some of the nicer documentation scanned.
I have yet to sort through everything, may take a while, but if anyone
has any specific requests I will take those on board once I've cataloged
everything.
He wants stuff to go to a good home, and I said I would oblige if
possible for the bits I don't need or can't use.
Regards, Mark.
There wouldn't happen to be any video cables for a VAXstation 4000/90 in there?
Johnny
On 05/07/11 15:15, Mark Benson wrote:
I strongly suspect that's one reason I got my zx6000 so cheap. Itanium is about to become an ex-technology I suspect!
Incidentally, if anyone comes across front, top and side covers and the steel pedestal stand for a zx6000 I need them.
ZX6000 were primarily Windows server workstations - they didn't ever really fit a defined niche as far as I can tell.
I bought mine about 4 years ago for GBP 500 which was as much as I was prepared to pay at the time. They are going now for around GBP 100 depending on the configuration. Mine was maxed out with memory and came with drives, so I guess that's worth something.
Luckily they still run OpenVMS, otherwise your options are very limited - various linux flavours sort of work, but I believe gentoo is the only one still currently being maintained.
I know the hardware is not the greatest, but it's a shame it hasn't been better supported, given that it is a true 64 bit architecture.
But then, what do I know... I just love anything that is different or esoteric - which firmly makes me *not* the man in the street.
Mark.
Met up with Colin Butcher of X-Delta last night in Manchester to obtain a BA356 and some 36GB SBBs - he also gave me a couple of boxes of SCSI cables and Option cards, including SCSI and fibre-channel cards, HVD->LVD converts, BA rack personality modules, BA power supplies some CPUs (ES40 I think). A box of DEC option catalogs, a load of DEC Technical Journals, some old DEC related technical documentation (including some really nice marketing material for VAXstations and VAXes). I will try and get some of the nicer documentation scanned.
I have yet to sort through everything, may take a while, but if anyone has any specific requests I will take those on board once I've cataloged everything.
He wants stuff to go to a good home, and I said I would oblige if possible for the bits I don't need or can't use.
Regards, Mark.
On 05/07/11 15:45, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
The reason for the noise is that a zx6000 has different fans than a rx2600. If you like, you can check the manual. It is mentioned there.
My zx6000 is as quiet as other workstations, but at office there are rx2600's which are really noisy.
Kari
On 5.7.2011 17:23, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Is your zx6000 crazy noisy as well? My rx2600 (RHESUS, btw, on HECnet) sounds like a freaking jet engine..
Sampsa
On 5 Jul 2011, at 15:15, Mark Benson wrote:
I strongly suspect that's one reason I got my zx6000 so cheap. Itanium is about to become an ex-technology I suspect!
Incidentally, if anyone comes across front, top and side covers and the steel pedestal stand for a zx6000 I need them.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
Oh, and the ZX6000 only has the one power supply as supplied by default.
Is your zx6000 crazy noisy as well? My rx2600 (RHESUS, btw, on HECnet) sounds like a freaking jet engine..
Nope. It has always been a Workstation configured machine which means it has the lower speed 'workstation' fan kit installed and the firmware set to zx6000 fan operation.
The rx2600 has different fans and a different EFI setting.
Docs for converting between the are on the HP site but the fan kits may be hard to find.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
On 05/07/11 15:23, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Is your zx6000 crazy noisy as well? My rx2600 (RHESUS, btw, on HECnet) sounds like a freaking jet engine..
Sampsa
On 5 Jul 2011, at 15:15, Mark Benson wrote:
I strongly suspect that's one reason I got my zx6000 so cheap. Itanium is about to become an ex-technology I suspect!
Incidentally, if anyone comes across front, top and side covers and the steel pedestal stand for a zx6000 I need them.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
The ZX6000 has the 'Office Friendly' option installed by default which makes it a lot quieter than the RX2600...
The reason for the noise is that a zx6000 has different fans than a rx2600. If you like, you can check the manual. It is mentioned there.
My zx6000 is as quiet as other workstations, but at office there are rx2600's which are really noisy.
Kari
On 5.7.2011 17:23, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Is your zx6000 crazy noisy as well? My rx2600 (RHESUS, btw, on HECnet) sounds like a freaking jet engine..
Sampsa
On 5 Jul 2011, at 15:15, Mark Benson wrote:
I strongly suspect that's one reason I got my zx6000 so cheap. Itanium is about to become an ex-technology I suspect!
Incidentally, if anyone comes across front, top and side covers and the steel pedestal stand for a zx6000 I need them.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
Isn't that the difference between the workstation and the server model lines: the attention to lower soundlevels for the first?
Hans
PS
A VAX may be more quiet but when they're all up and running in my attic an I64 is probably quiet in comparison :-)
Not that I own one however.
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Is your zx6000 crazy noisy as well? My rx2600 (RHESUS, btw, on HECnet) sounds like a freaking jet engine..
Sampsa
On 5 Jul 2011, at 15:15, Mark Benson wrote:
I strongly suspect that's one reason I got my zx6000 so cheap. Itanium is about to become an ex-technology I suspect!
Incidentally, if anyone comes across front, top and side covers and the steel pedestal stand for a zx6000 I need them.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
And then there is Itanium LOUD.... :)
In a room with 50 servers you can tell which one the Itanium is... and shutting it down you can certainly tell with the reduction of noise...
I think mine is so quite as it's the 800Mhz (probably downclocked to 733 as part of that disaster...) part. I'd say that reason is enough why small users weren't exactly jumping onto Itaniums.
They are too damned loud.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Gregg,
There's loud and then there's LEBANESE FREAKING WEDDING LOUD. I can hear it through three sets of Victorian brick walls if i try hard enough.
Sampsa
> Hello!
> Incidentally folks, there's a reason why your hardware is that noisy.
> It happens that the processor inside runs very hot. And the fans
> inside are working night and day to keep it cool.
Gregg,
There's loud and then there's LEBANESE FREAKING WEDDING LOUD. I can hear it through three sets of Victorian brick walls if i try hard enough.
Sampsa
Hello!
Incidentally folks, there's a reason why your hardware is that noisy.
It happens that the processor inside runs very hot. And the fans
inside are working night and day to keep it cool.
mine isn't.... But I did expect it to be, the HP server we have is without a doubt the loudest 1u thing I've ever heard. It's louder than this 8u 8cpu PPro I used to have.. Even the HP 8x p4's ... it's just so damned LOUD.
But my desktop is surprisingly quite.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Is your zx6000 crazy noisy as well? My rx2600 (RHESUS, btw, on HECnet) sounds like a freaking jet engine..
Sampsa
On 5 Jul 2011, at 15:15, Mark Benson wrote:
> I strongly suspect that's one reason I got my zx6000 so cheap. Itanium is about to become an ex-technology I suspect!
>
> Incidentally, if anyone comes across front, top and side covers and the steel pedestal stand for a zx6000 I need them.
>
> --
> Mark Benson
>
> http://markbenson.org/blog
> http://twitter.com/MDBenson
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Is your zx6000 crazy noisy as well? My rx2600 (RHESUS, btw, on HECnet) sounds like a freaking jet engine..
Sampsa
On 5 Jul 2011, at 15:15, Mark Benson wrote:
I strongly suspect that's one reason I got my zx6000 so cheap. Itanium is about to become an ex-technology I suspect!
Incidentally, if anyone comes across front, top and side covers and the steel pedestal stand for a zx6000 I need them.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
Hello!
Incidentally folks, there's a reason why your hardware is that noisy.
It happens that the processor inside runs very hot. And the fans
inside are working night and day to keep it cool.
Interesting article. Oh and according to the people on the lists I
belong to regarding the IBM mainframe, that really means just barely
runs there. Oracle just might run on the Intel based hardware that IBM
actually still makes but I wouldn't recommend it. And neither would
they.
Now why are there two yetis in your yard, Sampsa?
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."