On 08/07/11 11:42, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
On 8.7.2011 12:58, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 08/07/11 10:56, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
On 8.7.2011 12:51, Mark Benson wrote:
On 8 Jul 2011, at 10:38, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
If you have a MP card on a Integrity server (or workstation) and
need _only_ the (local) console function, you can use a regular
25-pin null modem cable to access the console functions and of
course the other MP functions as well. The 25-pin interface is wired
so that the console uses the standard pins (2,3 and 7).
Of course you can use the LAN console functions provided with the MP
card. In some cases only the MP serial interface will be accessible
and usable.
The MP card is otherwise useful also. E.g. if the machine crashes,
you'll be able to check the logs for what has happened or if the
machine is completely jammed, you can reset it remotely.
I've heard a few people say the Remote MP card doesn't work on the
zx6000 - It's gotta be a firmware setting somewhere as the zx6000 and
rx2600 are the same machine with different fas and a firmware switch
changed.
I have a zx6000 with the MP card and it functions exactly like on a
rx2600 or any other Integrity system.
Do you get a graphics display via the VGA port though? That's the bit
that I was under the impression was broken when putting the MP card in
the ZX6000. I've never got anything out of it, anyway...
Oh, yes, and I've put a 25pin to 9pin cable in the serial port and can
confirm it works nicely.
Regards, Mark.
.
I write directly to you now, because Johnny wanted to end the discussion via the HECnet mailbox.
I found this note in the manual:
The graphics display port functionality on the HP Management
Processor Card is not supported on zx6000 workstations with an
AGP graphics card installed; all other HP Management Processor
Card functionality is supported.
That explains why the VGA port doesn't work if you have a graphics card installed.
Regards,
Kari
Yes, I can confirm it doesn't work with a PCI ATI 7500 installed either.
I think it must be something to do with the configuration including the AGP card cage, regardless of whether there is a graphics card installed or not. I think I tried it without a card in aswell, no joy.
Regards, Mark.
On 8-7-2011 11:38, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
If you have a MP card on a Integrity server (or workstation) and need _only_ the (local) console function, you can use a regular 25-pin null modem cable to access the console functions and of course the other MP functions as well. The 25-pin interface is wired so that the console uses the standard pins (2,3 and 7).
Of course you can use the LAN console functions provided with the MP card. In some cases only the MP serial interface will be accessible and usable.
The MP card is otherwise useful also. E.g. if the machine crashes, you'll be able to check the logs for what has happened or if the machine is completely jammed, you can reset it remotely.
That's what I said (or tried to say). Also, I know what a MP card is, I use it
almost on a daily basis...
- MG
On 2011-07-08 11:58, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 08/07/11 10:56, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
On 8.7.2011 12:51, Mark Benson wrote:
On 8 Jul 2011, at 10:38, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
If you have a MP card on a Integrity server (or workstation) and
need _only_ the (local) console function, you can use a regular
25-pin null modem cable to access the console functions and of
course the other MP functions as well. The 25-pin interface is wired
so that the console uses the standard pins (2,3 and 7).
Of course you can use the LAN console functions provided with the MP
card. In some cases only the MP serial interface will be accessible
and usable.
The MP card is otherwise useful also. E.g. if the machine crashes,
you'll be able to check the logs for what has happened or if the
machine is completely jammed, you can reset it remotely.
I've heard a few people say the Remote MP card doesn't work on the
zx6000 - It's gotta be a firmware setting somewhere as the zx6000 and
rx2600 are the same machine with different fas and a firmware switch
changed.
I have a zx6000 with the MP card and it functions exactly like on a
rx2600 or any other Integrity system.
Do you get a graphics display via the VGA port though? That's the bit
that I was under the impression was broken when putting the MP card in
the ZX6000. I've never got anything out of it, anyway...
Oh, yes, and I've put a 25pin to 9pin cable in the serial port and can
confirm it works nicely.
Maybe time to curb this discussion? It has nothing to do with HECnet, and it's becoming quite a few posts... Not everyone on this list even runs VMS, or cares about itaniums... :-)
Feel free to continue it in direct mails, or some other forum perhaps?
Johnny
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On 8.7.2011 12:58, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 08/07/11 10:56, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
On 8.7.2011 12:51, Mark Benson wrote:
On 8 Jul 2011, at 10:38, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
If you have a MP card on a Integrity server (or workstation) and
need _only_ the (local) console function, you can use a regular
25-pin null modem cable to access the console functions and of
course the other MP functions as well. The 25-pin interface is wired
so that the console uses the standard pins (2,3 and 7).
Of course you can use the LAN console functions provided with the MP
card. In some cases only the MP serial interface will be accessible
and usable.
The MP card is otherwise useful also. E.g. if the machine crashes,
you'll be able to check the logs for what has happened or if the
machine is completely jammed, you can reset it remotely.
I've heard a few people say the Remote MP card doesn't work on the
zx6000 - It's gotta be a firmware setting somewhere as the zx6000 and
rx2600 are the same machine with different fas and a firmware switch
changed.
I have a zx6000 with the MP card and it functions exactly like on a
rx2600 or any other Integrity system.
Do you get a graphics display via the VGA port though? That's the bit
that I was under the impression was broken when putting the MP card in
the ZX6000. I've never got anything out of it, anyway...
Oh, yes, and I've put a 25pin to 9pin cable in the serial port and can
confirm it works nicely.
Regards, Mark.
.
I haven't tried it, because I have the Radeon 7500 card in the AGP slot and I've used that with VMS.
I would have tested HP-UX also, but the minimum memory for installing is 3GB. Even the installation doesn't start with less memory (!).
VMS is fully satisfied with 1GB (and a 4.3GB system disk). :)
Kari
On 08/07/11 10:56, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
On 8.7.2011 12:51, Mark Benson wrote:
On 8 Jul 2011, at 10:38, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
If you have a MP card on a Integrity server (or workstation) and need _only_ the (local) console function, you can use a regular 25-pin null modem cable to access the console functions and of course the other MP functions as well. The 25-pin interface is wired so that the console uses the standard pins (2,3 and 7).
Of course you can use the LAN console functions provided with the MP card. In some cases only the MP serial interface will be accessible and usable.
The MP card is otherwise useful also. E.g. if the machine crashes, you'll be able to check the logs for what has happened or if the machine is completely jammed, you can reset it remotely.
I've heard a few people say the Remote MP card doesn't work on the zx6000 - It's gotta be a firmware setting somewhere as the zx6000 and rx2600 are the same machine with different fas and a firmware switch changed.
I have a zx6000 with the MP card and it functions exactly like on a rx2600 or any other Integrity system.
Do you get a graphics display via the VGA port though? That's the bit that I was under the impression was broken when putting the MP card in the ZX6000. I've never got anything out of it, anyway...
Oh, yes, and I've put a 25pin to 9pin cable in the serial port and can confirm it works nicely.
Regards, Mark.
On 8.7.2011 12:51, Mark Benson wrote:
On 8 Jul 2011, at 10:38, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
If you have a MP card on a Integrity server (or workstation) and need _only_ the (local) console function, you can use a regular 25-pin null modem cable to access the console functions and of course the other MP functions as well. The 25-pin interface is wired so that the console uses the standard pins (2,3 and 7).
Of course you can use the LAN console functions provided with the MP card. In some cases only the MP serial interface will be accessible and usable.
The MP card is otherwise useful also. E.g. if the machine crashes, you'll be able to check the logs for what has happened or if the machine is completely jammed, you can reset it remotely.
I've heard a few people say the Remote MP card doesn't work on the zx6000 - It's gotta be a firmware setting somewhere as the zx6000 and rx2600 are the same machine with different fas and a firmware switch changed.
I have a zx6000 with the MP card and it functions exactly like on a rx2600 or any other Integrity system.
On 8 Jul 2011, at 10:38, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
If you have a MP card on a Integrity server (or workstation) and need _only_ the (local) console function, you can use a regular 25-pin null modem cable to access the console functions and of course the other MP functions as well. The 25-pin interface is wired so that the console uses the standard pins (2,3 and 7).
Of course you can use the LAN console functions provided with the MP card. In some cases only the MP serial interface will be accessible and usable.
The MP card is otherwise useful also. E.g. if the machine crashes, you'll be able to check the logs for what has happened or if the machine is completely jammed, you can reset it remotely.
I've heard a few people say the Remote MP card doesn't work on the zx6000 - It's gotta be a firmware setting somewhere as the zx6000 and rx2600 are the same machine with different fas and a firmware switch changed.
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On 8 Jul 2011, at 09:47, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
My Newstar 4 port KVM switch (PS/2) also shows weird behaviour. It works flawlessly with 4 pc's attached (regular Compaq branded pc's). With alpha's attached, especially a Multia an alphaserver 1000A or two or more as1200's then the mouse freezes after 15 to 20 minutes and a little later the keyboard gets into autorepeat mode.
Attaching an external power supply to the Newstar didn't solve the problem.
No idea what causes this behaviour.
Simply, variations in how the KVM handles the signals. Most PS/2 KVMs have to 'dummy' the signal to the computer because PS/2 is not hot-pluggable on almost all systems. this means the signal has to be passed on from one device to the other and some KVMs do it better than others.
Video is a worse issue. Some KVMs attempt to resync or retransmit video and it royally screws with the signal from some systems.
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On 8.7.2011 1:49, MG wrote:
On 8-7-2011 0:44, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Don't know much about the EFI options but do you have a console cable
for it? Just boot it plugged into another box via the console serial
port.
At least on my RX2600 it's a big weird DB connector joined to a cable
that has like 3 DB9 serial connectors hanging off of it.
Sampsa
That would be the "M-cable", it's a splitter/break-out cable. It's only
available for
systems with the iLO/MP card present. That should be no problem though,
there
is still the serial port that should work as well.
- MG
.
If you have a MP card on a Integrity server (or workstation) and need _only_ the (local) console function, you can use a regular 25-pin null modem cable to access the console functions and of course the other MP functions as well. The 25-pin interface is wired so that the console uses the standard pins (2,3 and 7).
Of course you can use the LAN console functions provided with the MP card. In some cases only the MP serial interface will be accessible and usable.
The MP card is otherwise useful also. E.g. if the machine crashes, you'll be able to check the logs for what has happened or if the machine is completely jammed, you can reset it remotely.
Kari
By 'Bog Standard' do you mean any old HP consumer PC keyboard? might try my Logitech keyboard attached directly to it (not practical long term as it's my USB KVM keyboard on a USB KVM that's also very picky about keyboards, especially Apple ones!)
Yep, about six quid off epay.
On 8 Jul 2011, at 10:13, Mark Wickens wrote:
I dunno, I got to sleep for a few hours and all this activity happens, close to my heart ;)
You should get up earlier, I only posted that this morning :P
RE: keyboards, yeah, those trap exceptions sure are helpful messages. WTF!
I also get a couple of trap exceptions associated with the VMS-not-booting because-it-hates-my-graphical-console issue too. It's not so much the trap messages, it's the noise the machine makes sometimes. Sounds like it's in it's death-throws! It's only a keyboard error, calm down! :)
It was the first problem I had with my ZX6000, and it would have convinced me the machine was a dudd, had it not been for a single post on t'internet about the keyboard being wrong.
I must have fluked with the Belkin USB adapter and it worked fine from the get-go. It was only when I plugged the input into the wrong port (I think) it spat it's dummy out. When switched to the USB KVM I discovered it was prone to spitting it's dummy out on any occasion of not having the right keyboard. Testing has shown it's rather fussy, so yeah.
I bought a bog-standard HP keyboard after that, which works fine, and I also ended up getting an LK464, which is nice ;)
By 'Bog Standard' do you mean any old HP consumer PC keyboard? might try my Logitech keyboard attached directly to it (not practical long term as it's my USB KVM keyboard on a USB KVM that's also very picky about keyboards, especially Apple ones!)
Not tried with KVMs, but am 100% sure that milage will vary considerably.
Yes. I am sure it will too. KVMs vary wildly. I have a 4-port Startech PS/2+VGA KVM that works flawlessly on SGIs but hates my Belklin PS/2 to USB adapters. I have a Compaq PS/2+VGA KVM that hates SGIs bourt works fine with the Belkin USB adapters, and I have a Startech DVI+USB KVM that works fine with a Logitech Keyboard and Mouse but the USB kept disconnecting when I use a Microsoft Mouse and Apple Keyboard. Ahh... aren't 'standards' great ;)
Anyhoo - it seems to tolerate the Belkin USB KVM adapter for now so I'll go with that.
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On 08/07/11 09:34, Mark Benson wrote:
Something else I've noticed is it's REALLY picky about keyboards and KVMs. I currently have it hooked up to to a Compaq KVM via a Belkin PS/2 to USB adapter and that seems to work okay. It starts up fine and booted into Debian and such okay (although Xorg didn't work but I blame that squarely on Xorg mis-detecting graphics card).
I hooked it up to my DVI/USB KVM and it freaked out on boot stopping and listing a couple of trap exceptions. It won't even get into EFI. I don't have a console hooked to the serial so I dunno if it's just disabling the video console due to the lack of keyboard (not detected or faulting) and falling back to serial - a lot of workstations do that. Unplug the USB and it POSTs fine and loads the book menu so I somewhat suspect it's not.
I also tried an Apple USB keyboard (I know I shouldn't let Apple stuff near real computers :P) and it did the same freaking out during POST thing.
anyone know why this is - is it just picky or am I missing a trick somewhere.
Woha!
I dunno, I got to sleep for a few hours and all this activity happens, close to my heart ;)
RE: keyboards, yeah, those trap exceptions sure are helpful messages. WTF!
It was the first problem I had with my ZX6000, and it would have convinced me the machine was a dudd, had it not been for a single post on t'internet about the keyboard being wrong.
I bought a bog-standard HP keyboard after that, which works fine, and I also ended up getting an LK464, which is nice ;)
Not tried with KVMs, but am 100% sure that milage will vary considerably.
Mark.
My Newstar 4 port KVM switch (PS/2) also shows weird behaviour. It works flawlessly with 4 pc's attached (regular Compaq branded pc's). With alpha's attached, especially a Multia an alphaserver 1000A or two or more as1200's then the mouse freezes after 15 to 20 minutes and a little later the keyboard gets into autorepeat mode.
Attaching an external power supply to the Newstar didn't solve the problem.
No idea what causes this behaviour.
Hans
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Something else I've noticed is it's REALLY picky about keyboards and KVMs. I currently have it hooked up to to a Compaq KVM via a Belkin PS/2 to USB adapter and that seems to work okay. It starts up fine and booted into Debian and such okay (although Xorg didn't work but I blame that squarely on Xorg mis-detecting graphics card).
I hooked it up to my DVI/USB KVM and it freaked out on boot stopping and listing a couple of trap exceptions. It won't even get into EFI. I don't have a console hooked to the serial so I dunno if it's just disabling the video console due to the lack of keyboard (not detected or faulting) and falling back to serial - a lot of workstations do that. Unplug the USB and it POSTs fine and loads the book menu so I somewhat suspect it's not.
I also tried an Apple USB keyboard (I know I shouldn't let Apple stuff near real computers :P) and it did the same freaking out during POST thing.
anyone know why this is - is it just picky or am I missing a trick somewhere.
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On 8 Jul 2011, at 09:33, MG wrote:
On 8-7-2011 2:14, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Apropos SANs: Has anyone played with the iSCSI initiator in 8.4? That
could be a pretty killer feature for me, I'm sure for others too.
For some reason, HP removed iSCSI from V8.4. V8.3-1H1 is the last to support it,
don't ask me why... (I read about it on the "Deathrow" DEC Notes recently.)
What??!
*facepalm*
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Something else I've noticed is it's REALLY picky about keyboards and KVMs. I currently have it hooked up to to a Compaq KVM via a Belkin PS/2 to USB adapter and that seems to work okay. It starts up fine and booted into Debian and such okay (although Xorg didn't work but I blame that squarely on Xorg mis-detecting graphics card).
I hooked it up to my DVI/USB KVM and it freaked out on boot stopping and listing a couple of trap exceptions. It won't even get into EFI. I don't have a console hooked to the serial so I dunno if it's just disabling the video console due to the lack of keyboard (not detected or faulting) and falling back to serial - a lot of workstations do that. Unplug the USB and it POSTs fine and loads the book menu so I somewhat suspect it's not.
I also tried an Apple USB keyboard (I know I shouldn't let Apple stuff near real computers :P) and it did the same freaking out during POST thing.
anyone know why this is - is it just picky or am I missing a trick somewhere.
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On 8-7-2011 2:14, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Apropos SANs: Has anyone played with the iSCSI initiator in 8.4? That
could be a pretty killer feature for me, I'm sure for others too.
For some reason, HP removed iSCSI from V8.4. V8.3-1H1 is the last to support it,
don't ask me why... (I read about it on the "Deathrow" DEC Notes recently.)
- MG
On 8 Jul 2011, at 01:09, MG wrote:
Your point about the limited amount of storage space is what surprises many people.
In a way it also makes a (tiny) bit of sense, especially as the bigger players usually
tend to boot off SAN and larger, centralized, disk systems anyway.
Apropos SANs: Has anyone played with the iSCSI initiator in 8.4? That could be a pretty killer feature for me, I'm sure for others too.
Sampsa
On 7-7-2011 10:04, Mark Wickens wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350475648545&ssPageNam…
Fully loaded RX4640 up for GBP 640, that would put a dent in your electricity bill.
Always amazed me that these came with only two drives built in, given the size of the case!
That's a great find, two available even. Thanks for sharing! Beware though, this is not as
loaded out as one of these can be. In fact, for the power it must consume and heat it that
it will dissipate, it's perhaps not a very wise choice (especially for a Hobbyist) and you
might as well max. it out, so at least you'll get a good performance benefit/return on the
power usage.
The rx4640 is interesting as it makes use of so-called "cell"-architecture, unlike the single-
"cell" "entry-level" systems (like the rx1600/rx1620, zx6000/rx2600/rx2620 and so forth), thus
a bit more like the 'big iron' Integrity systems (like the rx7620, rx8620 and the Superdome).
I believe the rx4640 can take two, which can be fitted with four single-core processors each
or two "mx2" dual-processor modules (as seen in the first Integrity Superdome systems).
Then there are also "memory expansion boards", I'm not sure how many DIMMs go on each of these,
but I vaguely recall it can take a maximum of 128 GB. (In the case of the "cell"/processor
boards, it seems maxed out, but the auction doesn't appear to mention too much on the 'memory
boards'. it might be worth to ask the seller about, before making an offer or buying.)
A friend of mine has one of these (with lesser specifications), he bought it a couple of
years ago, for 1300 at the time! He still hasn't gotten around to installing VMS yet, I
hope he will soon.
Your point about the limited amount of storage space is what surprises many people.
In a way it also makes a (tiny) bit of sense, especially as the bigger players usually
tend to boot off SAN and larger, centralized, disk systems anyway.
- MG
On 8-7-2011 1:17, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Marco,
Is it possible to run VMS in a virtual machine (I think 8.4 supports
being a guest on Itanium) on a zx6000? What about a rx2600?
Unfortunately, no. The version is right, but the rx2600 is not of a recent enough
architecture to support HPVM (or "IntegrityVM"). One must at least have a 9000
(Montecito), 9100 (Montvale) or 9300 (Tukwila) series IA-64 processor. The rx2600
supports the Madison (at 1500 MHz, with 6 MB cache) at most. Then, as Mark just
said, there's also the hypervisor and licensing issue.
On the HP public/anonymous FTP, there's a HP-UX .depot-file that contains "HPVM"
in the filename. Maybe it's worth taking a look at? I guess it can't hurt to try?
But, don't count too much on it.
- MG
On 8-7-2011 1:03, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I _think_ this just means that OPA0: will be allocated to the serial port,
not that DECWindows won't run - am I wrong?
So once it's all installed and running, you'll get a X session up on the
graphics card - you just can't use it as a VMS OP console..
That's right, though, in his specific case DECwindows wouldn't work as there
is no support for ATi FireGL graphics adapters.
I heard HP is considering to support some new graphics adapters, like the
AMD/ATi FireMV 2250 (for which there should already be HP-UX support, though
only 'accelerated 2D'), because of some of requests and demand from several
big customers. Demand for graphics support for these platforms is still
there, which is both interesting and nice, especially as we're told that it
is 'dead' and that 'nobody' allegedly 'cares' for it.
The only problem is that these modern cards are PCIe (PCI-Express) models,
thus won't be of much use for someone with a rx2600 with only PCI/PCI-X
slots...
- MG
On 8 Jul 2011, at 00:17, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Marco,
Is it possible to run VMS in a virtual machine (I think 8.4 supports being a guest on Itanium) on a zx6000? What about a rx2600?
Yes, 8.4 Supports that but no I don't know how they hell to do it - I assume it requires a copy of/license for the HP VM hypervisor to do it?
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On 8 Jul 2011, at 00:03, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I _think_ this just means that OPA0: will be allocated to the serial port, not that DECWindows won't run - am I wrong?
So once it's all installed and running, you'll get a X session up on the graphics card - you just can't use it as a VMS OP console..
I had a dig and only the Radeon 7500 is supported in OpenVMS - mine has a FireGL X1.
Fun fact: If you install Debian Squeeze IA64 on a zx6000 with a FireGL X1 in Xorg thinks it's an IBM GXT6000P and configures it completely wrongly. So much for the magic of Xorg - bring back X11R6 and manual config files :)
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Marco,
Is it possible to run VMS in a virtual machine (I think 8.4 supports being a guest on Itanium) on a zx6000? What about a rx2600?
Sampsa
On 8 Jul 2011, at 00:11, MG wrote:
On 8-7-2011 1:01, Mark Benson wrote:
Ahh to hell with that then - I'm not running a Serial Console to a machine with a ATi FireGL card in :P
Unfortunately, you won't be able to take advantage of that particular graphics
adapter under OpenVMS anyway, unless you make it happen (I also happen to have
one of those cards and maybe I'll give that a try some day, to attempt writing
a 'simple' driver, perhaps based on the Linux open source driver).
The 'last' and 'best' card that is available for OpenVMS, which will even do
OpenGL (or "Open3D") is the ATi Radeon 7500. Beware, most Radeon 7500 cards
offered for sale nowadays are of the so-called "Mobility" type and it's often
not mentioned or not very clearly. One of the best ways of identifying one is
the fact that they typically only came with 64 MB memory.
- MG
On 8-7-2011 1:01, Mark Benson wrote:
Ahh to hell with that then - I'm not running a Serial Console to a machine with a ATi FireGL card in :P
Unfortunately, you won't be able to take advantage of that particular graphics
adapter under OpenVMS anyway, unless you make it happen (I also happen to have
one of those cards and maybe I'll give that a try some day, to attempt writing
a 'simple' driver, perhaps based on the Linux open source driver).
The 'last' and 'best' card that is available for OpenVMS, which will even do
OpenGL (or "Open3D") is the ATi Radeon 7500. Beware, most Radeon 7500 cards
offered for sale nowadays are of the so-called "Mobility" type and it's often
not mentioned or not very clearly. One of the best ways of identifying one is
the fact that they typically only came with 64 MB memory.
- MG
I _think_ this just means that OPA0: will be allocated to the serial port, not that DECWindows won't run - am I wrong?
So once it's all installed and running, you'll get a X session up on the graphics card - you just can't use it as a VMS OP console..
Sampsa
On 8 Jul 2011, at 00:01, Mark Benson wrote:
On 7 Jul 2011, at 23:47, MG wrote:
For the zx6000/rx2600 there's unfortunately no 'glass terminal' (only the rx2620
has that, since it supports newer firmware).
Ahh to hell with that then - I'm not running a Serial Console to a machine with a ATi FireGL card in :P
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