While it is true that HP does not officially support Alpha's as routers (according to their web site), it works just fine! I suspect, but do not know for sure, that this was more of a marketing ploy to push Itanium over Alpha. If you go the emulated route (i.e. VAX 3900) this becomes a non-issue as VAXen ARE supported as DECnet routers. -Steve
Mark, When I install DECnet on VMS I always use the DNVETRTG license. This way I do not have to care about the system's role - I may change it at will On another note, the node SGC:: is an emulated system that is always running as an area router. This way I always have a gateway to the rest of HECnet and the cost to run the system is minimal. DECnet has limits as to the total number of area routers so just adding a router may not be the best answer. The HECnet backbone is not at that limit yet... If you were to use an emulated system as a router then it would not matter which of the other systems you brought up - they would all be able to see the rest of HECnet. I should mention though that a cluster with a cluster alias MUST be a router. It can be a level-1 or level-2 (area) though... -Steve
On 2011-07-16 00.56, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 15/07/11 23:48, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Mc ncp def exec type area
Mc ncp set exec state off
@sys$manager:startnet
Provided of course that you have the correct PAK loaded:
dvnetrtg
Net-app-sup-400
Many thanks, the magic runes provided worked, and I can now see the rest
of the hecnet world.
Hurrah! Maybe I should end now on a high ;)
Btw. From MIM, the whole of area 4 is unreachable... :-(
Johnny
On 15/07/11 23:48, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Mc ncp def exec type area
Mc ncp set exec state off
@sys$manager:startnet
Provided of course that you have the correct PAK loaded:
dvnetrtg
Net-app-sup-400
Many thanks, the magic runes provided worked, and I can now see the rest of the hecnet world.
Hurrah! Maybe I should end now on a high ;)
Cheers, Mark.
On Alpha the DECnet License including routing is called DVNETEXT and DVNETRTG on VAX.
On 16.7.2011 1:48, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Mc ncp def exec type area
Mc ncp set exec state off
@sys$manager:startnet
Provided of course that you have the correct PAK loaded:
dvnetrtg
Net-app-sup-400
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The VAX isn't turned on. I can turn it on and try this, but I would expect
the connection to then succeed.
What I'd really like to be able to do is have both Alpha and VAX
configured to act as area routers, so that I can have either switched on
independently, and not have them rely on each other.
There may be an unlikely situation where both are switched on at the same
time, is it an unsupported configuration to have two area routers enabled
at the same time?
I'm presuming setting a box up as an area router requires a sequence of
NCP commands?
Thanks for the help, Mark
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
You always need one area router to connect to nodes outside your area.
With one exception: on a lan with no decnet routers present, nodes can connect irrespective what area tjey're in.
So you need the bridge program AND an area router for yet another decnet node to see all the others.
If your vax is the area router (try mc ncp sho exeec char) does the alpha connect to the vax?
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Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure
whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I
believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other
areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be
running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
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Mc ncp def exec type area
Mc ncp set exec state off
@sys$manager:startnet
Provided of course that you have the correct PAK loaded:
dvnetrtg
Net-app-sup-400
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
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The VAX isn't turned on. I can turn it on and try this, but I would expect
the connection to then succeed.
What I'd really like to be able to do is have both Alpha and VAX
configured to act as area routers, so that I can have either switched on
independently, and not have them rely on each other.
There may be an unlikely situation where both are switched on at the same
time, is it an unsupported configuration to have two area routers enabled
at the same time?
I'm presuming setting a box up as an area router requires a sequence of
NCP commands?
Thanks for the help, Mark
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
You always need one area router to connect to nodes outside your area.
With one exception: on a lan with no decnet routers present, nodes can connect irrespective what area tjey're in.
So you need the bridge program AND an area router for yet another decnet node to see all the others.
If your vax is the area router (try mc ncp sho exeec char) does the alpha connect to the vax?
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Verzonden: 16 juli 2011 00:12
Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure
whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I
believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other
areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be
running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
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On 16.7.2011 1:41, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2011-07-16 00.30, Mark Wickens wrote:
The VAX isn't turned on. I can turn it on and try this, but I would
expect the connection to then succeed.
Yes, that probably would make it succeed.
What I'd really like to be able to do is have both Alpha and VAX
configured to act as area routers, so that I can have either switched on
independently, and not have them rely on each other.
So, why not do that.
There may be an unlikely situation where both are switched on at the
same time, is it an unsupported configuration to have two area routers
enabled at the same time?
No. That is perfectly legal. And you don't really need to do anything
special. The machines will figure it out themself. All you need is to
just enable area routing on both.
I'm presuming setting a box up as an area router requires a sequence of
NCP commands?
There is some command, yes. Something like SET EXEC TYPE, or something
like that.
However, the one thing you should be aware of is that DEC never
officially supported Alpha machines as area routers. But I seem to
remember hearing someone saying that it actually worked anyway. But you
need to test, I guess...
There was some versions of DECnet on Alpha, which didn't allow area routing. I don't remember exactly now, but I think it was re-enabled since VMS V7.3 (and thus DECnet IV for AXPVMS V7.3).
Johnny
Thanks for the help, Mark
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
You always need one area router to connect to nodes outside your area.
With one exception: on a lan with no decnet routers present, nodes can
connect irrespective what area tjey're in.
So you need the bridge program AND an area router for yet another
decnet node to see all the others.
If your vax is the area router (try mc ncp sho exeec char) does the
alpha connect to the vax?
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Onderwerp: [HECnet] Area configuration
Verzonden: 16 juli 2011 00:12
Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure
whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I
believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other
areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be
running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
.
On 2011-07-16 00.30, Mark Wickens wrote:
The VAX isn't turned on. I can turn it on and try this, but I would
expect the connection to then succeed.
Yes, that probably would make it succeed.
What I'd really like to be able to do is have both Alpha and VAX
configured to act as area routers, so that I can have either switched on
independently, and not have them rely on each other.
So, why not do that.
There may be an unlikely situation where both are switched on at the
same time, is it an unsupported configuration to have two area routers
enabled at the same time?
No. That is perfectly legal. And you don't really need to do anything special. The machines will figure it out themself. All you need is to just enable area routing on both.
I'm presuming setting a box up as an area router requires a sequence of
NCP commands?
There is some command, yes. Something like SET EXEC TYPE, or something like that.
However, the one thing you should be aware of is that DEC never officially supported Alpha machines as area routers. But I seem to remember hearing someone saying that it actually worked anyway. But you need to test, I guess...
Johnny
Thanks for the help, Mark
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
You always need one area router to connect to nodes outside your area.
With one exception: on a lan with no decnet routers present, nodes can
connect irrespective what area tjey're in.
So you need the bridge program AND an area router for yet another
decnet node to see all the others.
If your vax is the area router (try mc ncp sho exeec char) does the
alpha connect to the vax?
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Verzonden: 16 juli 2011 00:12
Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure
whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I
believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other
areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be
running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
The VAX isn't turned on. I can turn it on and try this, but I would expect the connection to then succeed.
What I'd really like to be able to do is have both Alpha and VAX configured to act as area routers, so that I can have either switched on independently, and not have them rely on each other.
There may be an unlikely situation where both are switched on at the same time, is it an unsupported configuration to have two area routers enabled at the same time?
I'm presuming setting a box up as an area router requires a sequence of NCP commands?
Thanks for the help, Mark
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
You always need one area router to connect to nodes outside your area.
With one exception: on a lan with no decnet routers present, nodes can connect irrespective what area tjey're in.
So you need the bridge program AND an area router for yet another decnet node to see all the others.
If your vax is the area router (try mc ncp sho exeec char) does the alpha connect to the vax?
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Verzonden: 16 juli 2011 00:12
Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure
whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I
believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other
areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be
running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
You always need one area router to connect to nodes outside your area.
With one exception: on a lan with no decnet routers present, nodes can connect irrespective what area tjey're in.
So you need the bridge program AND an area router for yet another decnet node to see all the others.
If your vax is the area router (try mc ncp sho exeec char) does the alpha connect to the vax?
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Onderwerp: [HECnet] Area configuration
Verzonden: 16 juli 2011 00:12
Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure
whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I
believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other
areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be
running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
On 2011-07-16 00.12, Mark Wickens wrote:
Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure
whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I
believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other
areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be
running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
Yes.
You need an area router (in your area) to talk to machines in any other area.
Johnny
Hi, SteveD is the best person to answer this question, but I'm not sure whether he's about at the moment.
I'm in my own area, area 4, and I normally run a VAX, BUBBLE which I believe does area routing.
I'm setting up an Alpha system, but am currently unable to see any other areas via hecnet. For the most part, either the Alpha or VAX will be running, but not both.
Do I need to setup the Alpha as an area router also?
Thanks for the help, Mark.
On 15.7.2011 15:02, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 15/07/11 12:44, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
The first DEC system I worked with was a pdp-11/40. It had a CR11, an
LP11, one RK05, an RX01 and a DECtape I unit. It did have MMU but just
32 kB core, which was expanded to 64 KB core. That allowed KED to run
with RT-11 (V3, V4).
I did experiment with RSX-11D but preferred RT-11. The pdp served in a
laboratory, it got an LPS-11 interface later on.
Hans
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
OK, so we need someone to code a trigger a the notes server to post to
the email list and write an email gateway that will process emails and
add notes posts. Best of both worlds. Now who will step up to the plate?
Sounds like the kind of crazed idea that Sampsa gets involved in ;)
Mark.
.
I do have everything needed for setting up a Notes server. The gateway thing is something that has to be worked on.
Do everybody want to post messages through emails and not directly (using the CLI interface or the DECwindows interface)?
The nice thing with them are the DECnet connection.
Kari
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Joe Ferraro <jferraro at gmail.com> wrote:
Although I hate to mention it... I have about 30 micro PDP 11/83's sitting
in a lab right beside me; unfortunately they do not (yet... nor might they
ever) belong to me... are they, in fact, "rare"?
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk>
wrote:
Are the MicroPDPs (desktop, deskside, rackmount) rare beasts? They seem to
be of a fairly hobbyist-friendly size, although presumably they are less
expandable (much like a VAXstation versus VAXserver I would imagine)
Mark.
Hello!
Joe, what's going to happen to them when they become redundant, as the
English would put it?
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On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:13 PM, John Wilson <wilson at dbit.com> wrote:
From: "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net>
This is simple. If the backplane has 2 slots per row then it is a QBUS
(/2 variant). If it has 4 slots per row then it is also QBUS but could
be either 18-bit or 22-bit - the part number on the side of the
backplane will tell you for sure. If the backplane has 6 slots per row
then it is UNIBUS.
In the wild this seems to be true, but the DDV11B (a hex-high Q-bus
backplane) existed at least in the minds of the handbook authors
(see p. 159 of Microcomputer Interfaces Handbook 1980).
John Wilson
D Bit
Hello!
John W, do you recall what sort of wire wrapping board you sent me? I
keep thinking its a typical Q Bus one, but is it?
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
From: "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net>
This is simple. If the backplane has 2 slots per row then it is a QBUS
(/2 variant). If it has 4 slots per row then it is also QBUS but could
be either 18-bit or 22-bit - the part number on the side of the
backplane will tell you for sure. If the backplane has 6 slots per row
then it is UNIBUS.
In the wild this seems to be true, but the DDV11B (a hex-high Q-bus
backplane) existed at least in the minds of the handbook authors
(see p. 159 of Microcomputer Interfaces Handbook 1980).
John Wilson
D Bit
On 15 Jul 2011, at 14:48, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Mark, typing a few commands is just about allone can do on a traditional blackberry with a screen half the size of an iPhone. Even then the sensation is like watching a football game through a letterbox :-)
Yes, It's bearable on iPhone 4 only because of the hi res screen. The keyboard thing is still a pain though, unless you use a Bluetooth keyboard and that's a little object-defeating!
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
Hello!
Mark can you provide a pointer to this HP Microserver?
And go ahead and roll on the floor laughing, but I've been tempted to
track down a PDP-11, when I first saw and actually wanted a PDP-8 to
work with. My >father convinced me that doing so would be problematic
because the poor thing had only 8K of core based memory.
Is our friend behind the E11 subscribed here? He'll know what style of
wire wrapping based board I have here. It's designed for the PDP-11, I
think it >>might be the Q-Bus style one....
-----
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
Greg,
This is simple. If the backplane has 2 slots per row then it is a QBUS
(/2 variant). If it has 4 slots per row then it is also QBUS but could
be either 18-bit or 22-bit - the part number on the side of the
backplane will tell you for sure. If the backplane has 6 slots per row
then it is UNIBUS.
-Steve
Mark, typing a few commands is just about allone can do on a traditional blackberry with a screen half the size of an iPhone. Even then the sensation is like watching a football game through a letterbox :-)
Hans
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On 15 Jul 2011, at 12:38, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Mark, running a vt100 80 x 24 screen on a blackberry (not a Torch) is problematic.
OTOH 20 years ago I wouldn't have dreamt of being able to power down an XP1000 sitting on my couch and using a phone as a remote terminal!
Oh don't get me wrong, it's cool that you can do it and I have used it a few times. For basic terminal stuff its great. I have my HP Microserver set up to allow SSH from external IPs via myy firewall so I can SSH there then Telnet into my SimH VAX from my phone :D
On the same count however, a lot of DEC text based apps like EVE and Notes (I think?) Use mimetic pad and F-key functions which are a struggle on phone-based clients.
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On 15 Jul 2011, at 14:42, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello!
Mark can you provide a pointer to this HP Microserver?
I'm not trying to be a smart-arse but Google for 'HP Proliant Microserver'.
They rock, low cost, low size, low power, high expandability HP server. Quiet and cheap and designed by HP's best server guys. Really is a beautiful package.
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On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
On 15 Jul 2011, at 12:38, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Mark, running a vt100 80 x 24 screen on a blackberry (not a Torch) is problematic.
OTOH 20 years ago I wouldn't have dreamt of being able to power down an XP1000 sitting on my couch and using a phone as a remote terminal!
Oh don't get me wrong, it's cool that you can do it and I have used it a few times. For basic terminal stuff its great. I have my HP Microserver set up to allow SSH from external IPs via myy firewall so I can SSH there then Telnet into my SimH VAX from my phone :D
On the same count however, a lot of DEC text based apps like EVE and Notes (I think?) Use mimetic pad and F-key functions which are a struggle on phone-based clients.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
Hello!
Mark can you provide a pointer to this HP Microserver?
And go ahead and roll on the floor laughing, but I've been tempted to
track down a PDP-11, when I first saw and actually wanted a PDP-8 to
work with. My father convinced me that doing so would be problematic
because the poor thing had only 8K of core based memory.
Is our friend behind the E11 subscribed here? He'll know what style of
wire wrapping based board I have here. It's designed for the PDP-11, I
think it might be the Q-Bus style one....
-----
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 15 Jul 2011, at 12:38, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Mark, running a vt100 80 x 24 screen on a blackberry (not a Torch) is problematic.
OTOH 20 years ago I wouldn't have dreamt of being able to power down an XP1000 sitting on my couch and using a phone as a remote terminal!
Oh don't get me wrong, it's cool that you can do it and I have used it a few times. For basic terminal stuff its great. I have my HP Microserver set up to allow SSH from external IPs via myy firewall so I can SSH there then Telnet into my SimH VAX from my phone :D
On the same count however, a lot of DEC text based apps like EVE and Notes (I think?) Use mimetic pad and F-key functions which are a struggle on phone-based clients.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
On 15/07/11 12:44, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
The first DEC system I worked with was a pdp-11/40. It had a CR11, an LP11, one RK05, an RX01 and a DECtape I unit. It did have MMU but just 32 kB core, which was expanded to 64 KB core. That allowed KED to run with RT-11 (V3, V4).
I did experiment with RSX-11D but preferred RT-11. The pdp served in a laboratory, it got an LPS-11 interface later on.
Hans
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
OK, so we need someone to code a trigger a the notes server to post to the email list and write an email gateway that will process emails and add notes posts. Best of both worlds. Now who will step up to the plate?
Sounds like the kind of crazed idea that Sampsa gets involved in ;)
Mark.
The first DEC system I worked with was a pdp-11/40. It had a CR11, an LP11, one RK05, an RX01 and a DECtape I unit. It did have MMU but just 32 kB core, which was expanded to 64 KB core. That allowed KED to run with RT-11 (V3, V4).
I did experiment with RSX-11D but preferred RT-11. The pdp served in a laboratory, it got an LPS-11 interface later on.
Hans
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
Mark, running a vt100 80 x 24 screen on a blackberry (not a Torch) is problematic.
OTOH 20 years ago I wouldn't have dreamt of being able to power down an XP1000 sitting on my couch and using a phone as a remote terminal!
Hans
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
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Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:32:11
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On 15 Jul 2011, at 12:24, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
A notes server would be fine. Answering maillists on a blackberry is problematic. The thing only allows new text between the header and the original text, i.e. forces top posting.
WTH Is it with mobile devices doing that :( I have to cut and paste my sig on nearly every mailing lust when I answer on iPhone :(
There is a terminal emulator available for it, vt100 compatible so VAXnotes* is fine.
Using a terminal emulator on a phone is torture, seriously. I have Telnet and SSH clients on iPhone and even though they offer extra keys it's not enough to be usable :(
--
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