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by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 9:55 PM +0100 9/29/11, Sampsa Laine wrote: I vaguely remember someone having something that cleans expired licenses from the db? Care to share? Sampsa I should have something, however, the system isn't up at the moment. Have you tried googling the USENET archives? Someone should have posted something to comp.os.vms. If you don't have any permanent licenses, I think you can simply blow your old password database away. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Photographer | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | My flickr Photostream | | http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |

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License DB cleaning script?

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 29/09/11 21:55, Sampsa Laine wrote: I vaguely remember someone having something that cleans expired licenses from the db? Care to share? Sampsa Yeah, I could do with that. I remember seeing one to. My licenses are up on October 10th, two days after DEC Legacy. Mark

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License DB cleaning script?

by sampsa＠mac.com

I vaguely remember someone having something that cleans expired licenses from the db? Care to share? Sampsa

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How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Thanks Mark, very kind of you. A "good" switch is not necessarily one that is manageable. For sheer throughput I'd prefer a Cisco (a real one, not the SOHO stuff) or, better in terms of price performance, an HP enterprise class switch. Ebay often has interesting offers. The problem is cost of shipping. These switches are built for computerrooms, so the frame must support itself in a rack (and whatever is put on top of it) and the power supplies are usually built in and heavy. I prefer 100 Mb/s FD gear from HP and Cisco over a cheap 1 Gb/s switch. Sustained bandwidth for the latter may be worse! Hans -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:16:09 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? That's an excellent explanation, thank you. I would categorize my switches as cheap - they are Netgear GS605 - unmanaged GB 5 port switches at each end. Could you recommend an alternative that might cope with this scenario better? I'm presuming that a managed switch might offer more flexibility in configuring to handle this situation better? Regards, Mark. On Wed, 28 Sep 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: The ascii graphics are pretty muche useless on my phone display. Your questions, as I undertand them, are: 1 the linkspeed is between station and switch? 2 how come other stations are affected? The linkspeed is indeed an "agreement" between switch and system. Two characteristics are importand: bitrate and half or full duplex. The bitrate must match this is essential. The duplex attribute may mismatch and on low traffic links you might get away with it. Generally, coax links are always half duplex and UTP ports tend to be full duplex. There is very little 10 Mb/s equipment that supports full duplex though. Auto sensing tends to err on the safe side and your system ends up at 10 or 100 Mb/s half duplex. Auto negotiating mode will result in an appropriate setting, 100 Mb/s or 1 Gb/s full duplex. Old ethernet equipment, 10BASExxx gear won't do this at all. You're lucky if you can select between AUI and thinwire coax, sometimes UTP is offered. The second question depends on the quality of the switch. If a switch receives data at 10 Mb/s and transmits them over a 1000 Mb/s link then it depends on the design on how well this speed difference is handled and the way it is hidden for the other ports. If the switch has very little own memory, it must forward each packet as quickly as possible. In the mean time all other ports may receive less attention. Store and forward may be a better strategy to handle these differences in linkspeeds. The cheaper the switch is, it will probably offer just one strategy andd usually this works best in homogeneous networks (everything operates at the same bitrate and duplex mode). A cheap switch offers about the same throughput volume as an old fashioned repeater: then traffic between any set of two ports and all other traffic gets backed up at the systems. Is this an answer to your question? Hans -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:20:30 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? I used 'fastfd' as was hinted at in the <document found via random google hit> I was looking at at the time. On this subject, if you don't mind me asking, am I right in thinking that the speed that is setup for the network connection exists solely between the machine and the switch? I was experiencing some weird behaviour the other day that suggested otherwise. I have my work machine and a VAXstation 4000/VLC connected to a gigabit switch, which is in turn wired down to another gigabit switch in the basement. The VAXstation is a diskless satellite node off an AlphaServer 1000A. (I can feel an ascii art diagram coming on) Attic VAXstation O O Work Sunray + VPN Router 10MB | | 100MB ------ | | GB switch ______ | | 1GB link ~ ~ ------ | | GB switch ------ 100MB | | 100MB AlphaServer 100A O O Vigor ADSL Router ~ * big, wide world So why, if I a have a terminal on the VAXstation scrolling at high speed do I see my work machine (which is connected to the internet) significantly slow down? It looks to me like the whole link between the two GB switches is being dragged down to 10MB. Would the 10MB link working at half-duplex make any difference to the question? Thanks for the help, Mark. On Wed, 28 Sep 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Fast translates as 100 Mb/s half duplex and you wouldn't want that. Auto is not always sufficient. There are two auto modes, auto negotiate and auto sensing. IMHO the latter is better avoided. ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Oleg Safiullin Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? Verzonden: 28 september 2011 08:31 Use "set ewb0_mode fast" or "set ewb0_mode auto" SRM command. Sampsa Laine wrote: I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

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How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

That's an excellent explanation, thank you. I would categorize my switches as cheap - they are Netgear GS605 - unmanaged GB 5 port switches at each end. Could you recommend an alternative that might cope with this scenario better? I'm presuming that a managed switch might offer more flexibility in configuring to handle this situation better? Regards, Mark. On Wed, 28 Sep 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: The ascii graphics are pretty muche useless on my phone display. Your questions, as I undertand them, are: 1 the linkspeed is between station and switch? 2 how come other stations are affected? The linkspeed is indeed an "agreement" between switch and system. Two characteristics are importand: bitrate and half or full duplex. The bitrate must match this is essential. The duplex attribute may mismatch and on low traffic links you might get away with it. Generally, coax links are always half duplex and UTP ports tend to be full duplex. There is very little 10 Mb/s equipment that supports full duplex though. Auto sensing tends to err on the safe side and your system ends up at 10 or 100 Mb/s half duplex. Auto negotiating mode will result in an appropriate setting, 100 Mb/s or 1 Gb/s full duplex. Old ethernet equipment, 10BASExxx gear won't do this at all. You're lucky if you can select between AUI and thinwire coax, sometimes UTP is offered. The second question depends on the quality of the switch. If a switch receives data at 10 Mb/s and transmits them over a 1000 Mb/s link then it depends on the design on how well this speed difference is handled and the way it is hidden for the other ports. If the switch has very little own memory, it must forward each packet as quickly as possible. In the mean time all other ports may receive less attention. Store and forward may be a better strategy to handle these differences in linkspeeds. The cheaper the switch is, it will probably offer just one strategy andd usually this works best in homogeneous networks (everything operates at the same bitrate and duplex mode). A cheap switch offers about the same throughput volume as an old fashioned repeater: then traffic between any set of two ports and all other traffic gets backed up at the systems. Is this an answer to your question? Hans -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:20:30 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? I used 'fastfd' as was hinted at in the <document found via random google hit> I was looking at at the time. On this subject, if you don't mind me asking, am I right in thinking that the speed that is setup for the network connection exists solely between the machine and the switch? I was experiencing some weird behaviour the other day that suggested otherwise. I have my work machine and a VAXstation 4000/VLC connected to a gigabit switch, which is in turn wired down to another gigabit switch in the basement. The VAXstation is a diskless satellite node off an AlphaServer 1000A. (I can feel an ascii art diagram coming on) Attic VAXstation O O Work Sunray + VPN Router 10MB | | 100MB ------ | | GB switch ______ | | 1GB link ~ ~ ------ | | GB switch ------ 100MB | | 100MB AlphaServer 100A O O Vigor ADSL Router ~ * big, wide world So why, if I a have a terminal on the VAXstation scrolling at high speed do I see my work machine (which is connected to the internet) significantly slow down? It looks to me like the whole link between the two GB switches is being dragged down to 10MB. Would the 10MB link working at half-duplex make any difference to the question? Thanks for the help, Mark. On Wed, 28 Sep 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Fast translates as 100 Mb/s half duplex and you wouldn't want that. Auto is not always sufficient. There are two auto modes, auto negotiate and auto sensing. IMHO the latter is better avoided. ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Oleg Safiullin Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? Verzonden: 28 september 2011 08:31 Use "set ewb0_mode fast" or "set ewb0_mode auto" SRM command. Sampsa Laine wrote: I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

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How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

The ascii graphics are pretty muche useless on my phone display. Your questions, as I undertand them, are: 1 the linkspeed is between station and switch? 2 how come other stations are affected? The linkspeed is indeed an "agreement" between switch and system. Two characteristics are importand: bitrate and half or full duplex. The bitrate must match this is essential. The duplex attribute may mismatch and on low traffic links you might get away with it. Generally, coax links are always half duplex and UTP ports tend to be full duplex. There is very little 10 Mb/s equipment that supports full duplex though. Auto sensing tends to err on the safe side and your system ends up at 10 or 100 Mb/s half duplex. Auto negotiating mode will result in an appropriate setting, 100 Mb/s or 1 Gb/s full duplex. Old ethernet equipment, 10BASExxx gear won't do this at all. You're lucky if you can select between AUI and thinwire coax, sometimes UTP is offered. The second question depends on the quality of the switch. If a switch receives data at 10 Mb/s and transmits them over a 1000 Mb/s link then it depends on the design on how well this speed difference is handled and the way it is hidden for the other ports. If the switch has very little own memory, it must forward each packet as quickly as possible. In the mean time all other ports may receive less attention. Store and forward may be a better strategy to handle these differences in linkspeeds. The cheaper the switch is, it will probably offer just one strategy andd usually this works best in homogeneous networks (everything operates at the same bitrate and duplex mode). A cheap switch offers about the same throughput volume as an old fashioned repeater: then traffic between any set of two ports and all other traffic gets backed up at the systems. Is this an answer to your question? Hans -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:20:30 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? I used 'fastfd' as was hinted at in the <document found via random google hit> I was looking at at the time. On this subject, if you don't mind me asking, am I right in thinking that the speed that is setup for the network connection exists solely between the machine and the switch? I was experiencing some weird behaviour the other day that suggested otherwise. I have my work machine and a VAXstation 4000/VLC connected to a gigabit switch, which is in turn wired down to another gigabit switch in the basement. The VAXstation is a diskless satellite node off an AlphaServer 1000A. (I can feel an ascii art diagram coming on) Attic VAXstation O O Work Sunray + VPN Router 10MB | | 100MB ------ | | GB switch ______ | | 1GB link ~ ~ ------ | | GB switch ------ 100MB | | 100MB AlphaServer 100A O O Vigor ADSL Router ~ * big, wide world So why, if I a have a terminal on the VAXstation scrolling at high speed do I see my work machine (which is connected to the internet) significantly slow down? It looks to me like the whole link between the two GB switches is being dragged down to 10MB. Would the 10MB link working at half-duplex make any difference to the question? Thanks for the help, Mark. On Wed, 28 Sep 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Fast translates as 100 Mb/s half duplex and you wouldn't want that. Auto is not always sufficient. There are two auto modes, auto negotiate and auto sensing. IMHO the latter is better avoided. ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Oleg Safiullin Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? Verzonden: 28 september 2011 08:31 Use "set ewb0_mode fast" or "set ewb0_mode auto" SRM command. Sampsa Laine wrote: I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

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How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

I used 'fastfd' as was hinted at in the <document found via random google hit> I was looking at at the time. On this subject, if you don't mind me asking, am I right in thinking that the speed that is setup for the network connection exists solely between the machine and the switch? I was experiencing some weird behaviour the other day that suggested otherwise. I have my work machine and a VAXstation 4000/VLC connected to a gigabit switch, which is in turn wired down to another gigabit switch in the basement. The VAXstation is a diskless satellite node off an AlphaServer 1000A. (I can feel an ascii art diagram coming on) Attic VAXstation O O Work Sunray + VPN Router 10MB | | 100MB ------ | | GB switch ______ | | 1GB link ~ ~ ------ | | GB switch ------ 100MB | | 100MB AlphaServer 100A O O Vigor ADSL Router ~ * big, wide world So why, if I a have a terminal on the VAXstation scrolling at high speed do I see my work machine (which is connected to the internet) significantly slow down? It looks to me like the whole link between the two GB switches is being dragged down to 10MB. Would the 10MB link working at half-duplex make any difference to the question? Thanks for the help, Mark. On Wed, 28 Sep 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Fast translates as 100 Mb/s half duplex and you wouldn't want that. Auto is not always sufficient. There are two auto modes, auto negotiate and auto sensing. IMHO the latter is better avoided. ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Oleg Safiullin Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? Verzonden: 28 september 2011 08:31 Use "set ewb0_mode fast" or "set ewb0_mode auto" SRM command. Sampsa Laine wrote: I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

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How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Fast translates as 100 Mb/s half duplex and you wouldn't want that. Auto is not always sufficient. There are two auto modes, auto negotiate and auto sensing. IMHO the latter is better avoided. ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Oleg Safiullin Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? Verzonden: 28 september 2011 08:31 Use "set ewb0_mode fast" or "set ewb0_mode auto" SRM command. Sampsa Laine wrote: I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

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How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

Yes, I can confirm this - I recently install a DA500 network card in an AlphaServer 300 and I had to explicitly set fastfd mode on the network card device at the SRM console to get it to work at full speed once booted into VMS. Mark. On Wed, 28 Sep 2011, Oleg Safiullin wrote: Use "set ewb0_mode fast" or "set ewb0_mode auto" SRM command. Sampsa Laine wrote: I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

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How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by form＠pdp-11.org.ru

Use "set ewb0_mode fast" or "set ewb0_mode auto" SRM command. Sampsa Laine wrote: I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

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How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

It's an srm setting. Set ewa0_mode autonegotiate Or to fastfd, whatever strikes your fancy ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Sampsa Laine Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? Verzonden: 28 september 2011 01:27 I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

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How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by sampsa＠mac.com

I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

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DS10 memory

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

The DS20(E) also uses 200 pin memory. I must have been looking at the wrong webpage, can't imagine that the Toshiiba datasheet is wrong. My apologies for the confusion Hans -----Original Message----- From: "John H. Reinhardt" <johnhreinhardt at yahoo.com> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:14:11 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: H Vlems<hvlems at zonnet.nl> Subject: Re: [HECnet] DS10 memory I know for sure the DS10 memory is 200-pin because I just pulled one out and looked at it. Now I'll have to pull a DS-20 chip and see if they really are different. I thought they were the same also. John H. Reinhardt On 9/24/11 11:57 AM, H Vlems wrote: The memory is 168 pin SDRAM

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by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

I have a DS10L, so can check for anything you need to know. I ran my DS10L with an IDE disk for ages and didn't really notice much in the way of performance issues, but then I rarely use computers to the point where it starts becoming an issue. Since then I've installed a SCSI card (and consequently removed the ATI7500 PCI graphics card) and a 68-pin 146GB drive. I could do with that drive in a SBB in SLAVE, but as it's 68 pin and not SCA I'm out of luck. Will have to pick one up off ebay (I noticed that what I thought was the complete DECUS archive on SLAVE:: is in fact only a subset. The full archive is 70GB, so I need to increase capacity from the current 36GB drive) I've been having my own fun today - pulled the ZX6000 out of the basement to have a go at installing Debian 6.0.2.1. The previous problem (not recognising the DVD-ROM drive after boot, somewhat serious) has been replaced with a different problem at the end of installation where the tool to install the EFI boot files won't find the EFI boot partition, which is a small FAT partition created at the start of the disk. The partition is there - a google search shows one other person with a similar issue. The OpenVMS installation also needs attention - it wouldn't start up CDE. I had a play with HP/UX and did manage to configure that to start CDE at the end of booting, and indeed have just configured it up to use the ACER 24" 1920x1080 panel. Sometime before I last went to sleep I must have installed a load of software - including Firefox. Weird running firefox on the ZX6000. Seems to work OK however (using it now to access gmail). I plugged my area router, SLAVE (4.254) into a switch hanging off which was my laptop with 3G dongle and Johnnys bridge, it connected up with my wrapped bridge on my ADSL connection. The wrapper successfully detected an IP address change at the 3G end and SIGHUP'ed the bridge program, which pulled in the new IP address. A delay of about 5 minutes is to be expected, but it worked very nicely! The ZX6000 initially reported an unrecoverable problem with DRAM slots 2A/2B - I couldn't get it to boot so was forced to pull the RAM, taking it from 16GB to 12GB. I cleaned the contacts and tried reseating the RAM to noavail. I ran the box for a while (the ZX6000 always gets toasy warm, good as a room heater in winter) then swapped the RAM in slots 0A/0B into 2A/2B and inserted the two pulled RAM modules into 0A/0B. Booted fine no problems. I have fun with the memory in this machine before - apparently they are very picky about modules and configuration. Presumably also temperature, time of day, season of year etc. Not exactly confidence inspiring in an 'enterprise' system. Anyway, at least for the moment, no harm done. Mark.

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by johnhreinhardt＠yahoo.com

I know for sure the DS10 memory is 200-pin because I just pulled one out and looked at it. Now I'll have to pull a DS-20 chip and see if they really are different. I thought they were the same also. John H. Reinhardt On 9/24/11 11:57 AM, H Vlems wrote: The memory is 168 pin SDRAM

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by healyzh＠aracnet.com

How close do you really need to be on the DS10? I've used some fairly out of spec RAM in my PWS 433au, and I believe even the RAM in my XP1000's is out of spec. Though the best is probably the old AlphaStation 200 4/233, in spite of what what the DEC spec's say, you can use 128MB 72-pin SIMM's (if you can find them). Zane At 5:54 PM +0200 9/24/11, H Vlems wrote: The memory in a DS20E follows the same specs as the memory that fits in a DS10. The DS10 won't accept higher density modules. The DS20E has 16 memory slots and supports memory boards up to 256 MB. The DEC supplied memory boards offer very little information but my DS20E also has a few Toshiba boards: PC100-222-620R 32M x 72 SDRAM 100 MHz CL2 ECC The (128 MB) Micron board partno is: MT9LSDT1672AG-10Eb1 This is 100 MHz, synchronous, unbuffered, error correcting memory. It operates at 3.3 V. The CL 2 latency spec is important. Hans -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Photographer | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | My flickr Photostream | | http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |

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Noob questions #42: RAM for DS10

by johnhreinhardt＠yahoo.com

An update: The Micron part number is correct also. For a 512MB DIMM you want a MT18LSDT6472JG-10Exx. The JG indicates the 200-pin DIMM so that's significant as is the -10Exx which specifies the 2CL CAS latency. John H. Reinhardt On 9/24/11 11:52 AM, John H. Reinhardt wrote: You have a DS10 so you don't have to be quite as picky. The DS10L needs a shorter DIMM board. The old DEC/Compaq part number for memory was MS310-xA where A=64MB, B=128MB, C=256MB, D=512MB, E=1GB. This is total size. Each kit is 2 DIMM boards so the largest is a set of 2 512MB DIMMS. The trick about the DS10/DS10/DS20/ES40 memory is that it's on 200-pin DIMMs. And if you Google or search in Ebay you'll get a ton of hits because it's a common notebook memory size for SO-DIMMs. These will not fit. Be wary. IIRC the basic spec is 200-pin, PC100, ECC but I can't remember if they're buffered or un-buffered (registered or not). Okay, I pulled a DIMM out of my DS10L and it's DEC part # 20-01ESA-08 and specifically a Samsung M378S6450ATQ-C1H Googling this tells me it's a 200-pin, PC100, Synchronous, CL2, ECC DIMM. I found one hit on the US Ebay for memory fitting this specification, however, the picture they have with the listing is for a Micron DIMM board and the part number decodes to a 186-pin DIMM. So either the picture is wrong, or generic or the listing is incorrect. In either case, beware. Alpha Memory 256MB 200pin Synch DIMM100MHz CL2 ECC Your best bet is going to be searching on MS310-EA or 20-01ESA-08 and on the US EBay it looks like the best deal is 1GB (2x512MB) PC100 ECC Registered ECC 200pin Memory for $59.95 US. It's an oddball memory and tough to find in the generic market. Good luck. Cheers, John H. Reinhardt On 9/21/11 2:21 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: Thanks for that - but what TYPE (MHz etc) are they, exactly? I was going to just buy generic RAM. Sampsa On 21 Sep 2011, at 16:39, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: The DS10 uses the same kind of memory as the DS20(E) and the ES40. Memory must be installed in pairs and the maximum size for 1 memory board is 512 MB. Have a look at eBay Sampsa. Check the systems and options guide for the DS10 memory part numbers on the HP site Hans ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Sampsa Laine Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: [HECnet] Noob questions #42: RAM for DS10 Verzonden: 21 september 2011 14:45 Guys, what kind of DIMMs should I be looking for on ebay to add ram to my DS10? I'd like the largest possible ones so that I can fill it up to 2 GB. Sampsa

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DS10 memory

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

The memory is 168 pin SDRAM

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DS10 memory

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

The memory in a DS20E follows the same specs as the memory that fits in a DS10. The DS10 won't accept higher density modules. The DS20E has 16 memory slots and supports memory boards up to 256 MB. The DEC supplied memory boards offer very little information but my DS20E also has a few Toshiba boards: PC100-222-620R 32M x 72 SDRAM 100 MHz CL2 ECC The (128 MB) Micron board partno is: MT9LSDT1672AG-10Eb1 This is 100 MHz, synchronous, unbuffered, error correcting memory. It operates at 3.3 V. The CL 2 latency spec is important. Hans

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Noob questions #42: RAM for DS10

by johnhreinhardt＠yahoo.com

You have a DS10 so you don't have to be quite as picky. The DS10L needs a shorter DIMM board. The old DEC/Compaq part number for memory was MS310-xA where A=64MB, B=128MB, C=256MB, D=512MB, E=1GB. This is total size. Each kit is 2 DIMM boards so the largest is a set of 2 512MB DIMMS. The trick about the DS10/DS10/DS20/ES40 memory is that it's on 200-pin DIMMs. And if you Google or search in Ebay you'll get a ton of hits because it's a common notebook memory size for SO-DIMMs. These will not fit. Be wary. IIRC the basic spec is 200-pin, PC100, ECC but I can't remember if they're buffered or un-buffered (registered or not). Okay, I pulled a DIMM out of my DS10L and it's DEC part # 20-01ESA-08 and specifically a Samsung M378S6450ATQ-C1H Googling this tells me it's a 200-pin, PC100, Synchronous, CL2, ECC DIMM. I found one hit on the US Ebay for memory fitting this specification, however, the picture they have with the listing is for a Micron DIMM board and the part number decodes to a 186-pin DIMM. So either the picture is wrong, or generic or the listing is incorrect. In either case, beware. Alpha Memory 256MB 200pin Synch DIMM100MHz CL2 ECC Your best bet is going to be searching on MS310-EA or 20-01ESA-08 and on the US EBay it looks like the best deal is 1GB (2x512MB) PC100 ECC Registered ECC 200pin Memory for $59.95 US. It's an oddball memory and tough to find in the generic market. Good luck. Cheers, John H. Reinhardt On 9/21/11 2:21 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: Thanks for that - but what TYPE (MHz etc) are they, exactly? I was going to just buy generic RAM. Sampsa On 21 Sep 2011, at 16:39, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: The DS10 uses the same kind of memory as the DS20(E) and the ES40. Memory must be installed in pairs and the maximum size for 1 memory board is 512 MB. Have a look at eBay Sampsa. Check the systems and options guide for the DS10 memory part numbers on the HP site Hans ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Sampsa Laine Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: [HECnet] Noob questions #42: RAM for DS10 Verzonden: 21 september 2011 14:45 Guys, what kind of DIMMs should I be looking for on ebay to add ram to my DS10? I'd like the largest possible ones so that I can fill it up to 2 GB. Sampsa

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Anyone got a bootable firmware updater CD ISOsforAlphaservers?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Sampsa, I'll open up my DS20E (same memory) for 3rd party specs. -----Original Message----- From: Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:08:58 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Anyone got a bootable firmware updater CD ISOs forAlphaservers? When I speed tested the IDE drive against a 5 DISK (9 GB, RAID 5) BA265, I saw no performance difference. Test file was 100 MB of random data. The system "Feels" faster weirdly enough, and is tiny compared to any other Alphas I've owned. Now I'd just love to know the spec of DIMMs for the unit so I can max out the memory..... On 24 Sep 2011, at 14:12, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Good news Sampsa. Is the IDE disk indeed noticably slower than a (wide) SCSI disk? Hans ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Sampsa Laine Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Anyone got a bootable firmware updater CD ISOs forAlphaservers? Verzonden: 24 september 2011 15:02 WOO HOO. CHIMPY just booted off an internal IDE drive. No more crazy storage boxes in my rack. Sampsa On 24 Sep 2011, at 03:04, Oleg Safiullin wrote: Sampsa Laine wrote: The newer the better,. http://pdp-11.nsk.ru/~form/files/ds10/v73.iso

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Anyone got a bootable firmware updater CD ISOs forAlphaservers?

by sampsa＠mac.com

When I speed tested the IDE drive against a 5 DISK (9 GB, RAID 5) BA265, I saw no performance difference. Test file was 100 MB of random data. The system "Feels" faster weirdly enough, and is tiny compared to any other Alphas I've owned. Now I'd just love to know the spec of DIMMs for the unit so I can max out the memory..... On 24 Sep 2011, at 14:12, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Good news Sampsa. Is the IDE disk indeed noticably slower than a (wide) SCSI disk? Hans ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Sampsa Laine Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Anyone got a bootable firmware updater CD ISOs forAlphaservers? Verzonden: 24 september 2011 15:02 WOO HOO. CHIMPY just booted off an internal IDE drive. No more crazy storage boxes in my rack. Sampsa On 24 Sep 2011, at 03:04, Oleg Safiullin wrote: Sampsa Laine wrote: The newer the better,. http://pdp-11.nsk.ru/~form/files/ds10/v73.iso

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Anyone got a bootable firmware updater CD ISOs forAlphaservers?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Good news Sampsa. Is the IDE disk indeed noticably slower than a (wide) SCSI disk? Hans ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Sampsa Laine Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Anyone got a bootable firmware updater CD ISOs forAlphaservers? Verzonden: 24 september 2011 15:02 WOO HOO. CHIMPY just booted off an internal IDE drive. No more crazy storage boxes in my rack. Sampsa On 24 Sep 2011, at 03:04, Oleg Safiullin wrote: Sampsa Laine wrote: The newer the better,. http://pdp-11.nsk.ru/~form/files/ds10/v73.iso

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Anyone got a bootable firmware updater CD ISOs for Alphaservers?

by sampsa＠mac.com

WOO HOO. CHIMPY just booted off an internal IDE drive. No more crazy storage boxes in my rack. Sampsa On 24 Sep 2011, at 03:04, Oleg Safiullin wrote: Sampsa Laine wrote: The newer the better,. http://pdp-11.nsk.ru/~form/files/ds10/v73.iso

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Nice DS10 available in the States...

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

If the shipping won't kill you there is a nice condition DS10 available from the USA for a good price: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250898334104&ssPag… Mark.

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